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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 01:12 PM
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Whoa/Text of Michael Ruppert's Speech
(We need proof of these allegations, too bad we don't have a Starr in the Dems corner)

In describing the contents of the book he has spent two and a half
years researching and writing Ruppert said:

"In my new book I will be making several key points:

1. I will name Richard Cheney as the prime suspect in the mass
murders of 9/11 and will establish that, not only was he a planner in
the attacks, but also that on the day of the attacks he was running a
completely separate Command, Control and Communications system which was superceding any orders being issued by the NMCC Military Command Center], or the White House Situation Room.

2. I will establish conclusively that in May of 2001, by
presidential order, Richard Cheney was put in direct command and
control of all wargame and field exercise training and scheduling
through several agencies, especially FEMA. This also extended to all
of the conflicting and overlapping NORAD drills on that day.

3. I will also demonstrate that the TRIPOD II exercise being set up
on Sept. 10th in Manhattan was directly connected to Cheney's role.

4. I will also prove conclusively that a number of public officials,
at the national and New York City levels, including then Mayor
Rudolph Giuliani, were aware that Flight 175 was en route to lower
Manhattan for 20 minutes and did nothing to order the evacuation of
or warn the occupants of the South Tower. One military officer was
forced to leave his post in the middle of the attacks and place a
private call to his brother -- who worked at the WTC -- warning him
to get out. That was because no other part of the system was taking
action.

5. I will also show that the Israeli and British governments acted
as partners with the highest levels of the American government to
help in the preparation and, very possibly, the actual execution of
the attacks."

"There is more reason to be afraid of not facing the evidence in this
book than of facing what is in it."

http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/09/1694003.php
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 01:14 PM
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1. Outrageous claims require outrageous proof.
Edited on Wed Sep-01-04 01:16 PM by Ladyhawk
I wouldn't put it past the likes of Cheney to do something like this, but there has to be hard proof. Ruppert is definitely :tinfoilhat:. That doesn't mean he's wrong. It just means he'd better have some serious proof.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 01:22 PM
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2. I think the proof will be pretty startling
Remember Ruppert was key in the Iran Contra hearings.... excellent video on the issue, including JK testifying at the congressional hearings.

www.guerrillanews.com/crack

And do check the books at his site... www.copvcia.com

Rather catchy name for a website if you think about it.



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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 01:38 PM
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5. I'm open-minded enough to listen to what he has to say.
I'm just repeating my mantra. I repeat it often to counteract my fundy upbringing:

Outrageous claims require outrageous proof.
Outrageous claims require outrageous proof.
Outrageous claims require outrageous proof.
Outrageous claims require outrageous proof.

It keeps me from believing things that are silly. At least, I hope it does. ;)
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 01:44 PM
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7. I have read a bit of his research
and while I admit, it often borders on the incredible... I also realize that we live in incredible times... and that the lust for power can cause those among us to do the outrageous.

I suggest you read some of the stuff he has worked on.. it is truly eye opening... fundie upbringing or not. This is a few of the "achievements" of Michael and his people.

http://www.copvcia.com/achievements.shtml
Sept. 1998 – FTW publishes a detailed account of how Osama bin Laden had been created, protected, trained and funded by the CIA and that bin Laden had been a guest of British intelligence in London as recently as 1996.

Oct. 1998 – FTW publishes detailed excerpts from Volume II of a CIA Inspector general's report, including declassified records proving the CIA 's direct role in the drug trade.

Dec. 1998 – FTW publishes a detailed investigation, including copies of US government documents, describing how twenty-eight C 130 aircraft had been funneled through the Forest Service into the hands of private contractors. Instead of fighting forest fires, many of the aircraft wound up smuggling large quantities of cocaine and heroin. Court records established a CIA link and confirmed the details of this covert operation.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 01:25 PM
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3. no need for proof
Let's get this into ad form and run it nonstop.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 01:30 PM
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4. His speech was at the Commonwealth Club
Edited on Wed Sep-01-04 02:06 PM by JohnyCanuck
Not quite the place one would expect to find as a guest speaker a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist with no credibility (as Ruppert's oponents and detractors would no doubt describe him).

From Ruppert's introductory remarks:

BEFORE PREPARING THIS SPEECH, OF COURSE, I DID SOME RESEARCH
TO SEE WHO HAD SPOKEN HERE BEFORE.

I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT I FOLLOW ON THE HEELS OF SUCH
NOTABLES AS FORMER CIA DIRECTOR JAMES WOOLSEY AND TWO
MEMBERS OF THE KEAN COMMISSION ON 9/11: SLADE GORTON AND
RICHARD BEN-VENISTE. THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE WHO I WOULD CALL
“KINDRED SPIRITS.” I ALSO SAW THE NAME OF HOMELAND SECURITY
SECRETARY TOM RIDGE AND FORMER TREASURY SECRETARY ROBERT
RUBIN. THESE ARE ALSO LEADERS OF WHOM I HAVE BEEN SHARPLY
CRITICAL IN THE PAST AND WILL BE SHARPLY CRITICAL OF IN THE
FUTURE.

I ALSO SAW NAMES LIKE JOHN KERRY, JOHN EDWARDS, DENNIS
KUCINICH, JOE LIBERMAN AND MADELEINE ALBRIGHT.
(my emphasis /jc)

www.fromthewilderness.com/PDF/Commonwealth.pdf

The Commonwealth Club of California is the nation's oldest and largest public affairs forum, bringing together its 16,000 members for over 400 annual events on topics ranging across politics, culture, society and the economy.

Founded in 1903, the Commonwealth Club has played host to a diverse and distinctive array of speakers, from Teddy Roosevelt in 1911 to Erin Brockovich in 2001. Along the way, Martin Luther King, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and Bill Gates have all given landmark speeches at the Club.

As a non-profit, non-partisan educational organization, the Commonwealth Club relies on the support of its membership, the Business Council and foundation grants to continue its role in fostering open public discussion in the San Francisco Bay Area and throughout the nation via radio, internet and television.


www.commonwealthclub.org/about.html#mission
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 06:23 PM
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11. Commonwealth Club is wide open - they're having John O'Neil of the SBV
9/10 and Scarborough later too. But then they'll have RFK jr next week too. So you can't go by their guests, they try to be even handed. They should be putting up the archive stream of his speech in a couple of weeks.

It'll be awesome of Ruppert has the proof he needs.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 01:39 PM
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6. Stanley Hilton (attorney for 9/11 families) interview...
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 01:48 PM
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8. It's a very good read
highly recommend it. So many names keep recurring with improbable
connections in different scandals. Just amazing.

I like this part, sorry for the CAPS:

IN NOVEMBER 2002 JAMES KENNETH GALBRAITH WROTE AN ARTICLE
TITLED “THE UNBEARABLE COSTS OF EMPIRE”
NONE OF THESE PROBLEMS WILL BE CURED SO LONG AS WAR
REMAINS OUR DOMINANT POLITICAL THEME. BUT SERIOUS
THOUGH THEY ARE, THEY PALE IN COMPARISON WITH THE
LARGER PROBLEM OF THE INTERNATIONAL TRADE-AND-FINANCIAL
ORDER UNDER CONDITIONS OF PERMANENT WAR.
IT IS A STRAIGHTFORWARD FACT THAT IF GLOBAL OIL
PRODUCTION STARTS TO DECLINE BUT U.S. CONSUMPTION
DOES NOT, EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE REQUIRED TO CUT
PURCHASES AND USES OF OIL. BUT HOW CAN OIL PRICES BE
HELD STABLE FOR AMERICANS YET BE MADE TO RISE FOR
EVERYONE ELSE? ONLY BY A POLICY OF CONTINUING
DEPRECIATION IN EVERYONE ELSE'S CURRENCY. SUCH A
POLICY OF DOLLAR HEGEMONY AMID WORLDWIDE FINANCIAL
INSTABILITY, OF CRUSHING DEBT BURDENS AND DEFLATION
THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPING WORLD, IS PERVERSE. IT
WILL MAKE OUR TRADING PARTNERS' EXPORTS CHEAP,
RENDER THEIR IMPORTS DEAR AND KEEP THEIR REAL WAGES.53
LOW. IT WILL PRICE AMERICAN GOODS OUT OF WORLD
MARKETS AND LEAD TO UNSUSTAINABLE DEPENDENCE ON
FOREIGN CAPITAL. IT WILL BE A POLICY, IN SHORT, OF
BEGGAR-ALL-OF-OUR-NEIGHBORS WHILE WE LIVE ALONE, IN
INCREASING IDLENESS AND INSIDE THE DOLLAR BUBBLE.
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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 01:52 PM
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9. Ruppert is awesome
thanks for finding this. I find Ruppert perhaps the most credible of 9-11 analysts. This speech is the best thing i've seen yet from him, and yet it's just a teaser for his book.

I am in awe of his ability to focus on the key points and not let the side issues cloud his vision.

Everyone should read this speech! Wonder if it will be run on NPR? Our local affiliate runs the Commonwealth Club on Sunday afternoons...wouldn't that be nice?
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highnooner Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 03:54 PM
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10. I read the whole thing
Astounding if true. More astounding if it can be proven beyond a doubt. And even more astounding, if true and they are made to pay.
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 06:46 PM
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12.  CROSSING THE RUBICON: The Decline of the American Empire at the End
Edited on Wed Sep-01-04 06:48 PM by bpilgrim
CROSSING THE RUBICON: The Decline of the American Empire at the End
of the Age of Oil"

excellent title :toast:

off to read the pdf ;->
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/PDF/Commonwealth.pdf

peace
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-04 08:43 PM
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13. Cheney is a monster with the potential of a Stalin or...
...Hitler. Closing in on 5000 American active duty dead and seriously wounded in Iraq. Tens of thousands of Iraqis killed. He's just getting started. He has no respect for law, human rights, the Constitution, or popular sovereignty.

The man has no limits and there is no check on his power.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-04 02:17 PM
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14. Now taking orders for his book. To be shipped mid-September.


Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil.

Ordering info at: www.fromthewilderness.com
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