Ready for a Revolution?

[PinkTiger]

All we need right now is for a charismatic leader to rise up for the left, the disenfranchised, the poor and weak, and we could have a very serious and horrible civil war on our hands in America. And my opinion is, I'm ready.
President Obama is doing the best he can, I believe, in the situation he is in. As President, he can't propose anarchy. But we can. And I think it is high time someone did.
What does it take for a revolution to rise up? What do we have to do? The Tea Party was started by people who were funded by big business. But we know from Obama's 2008 campaign that it doesn't require that to get something going. People paying $5 or less can mobilize and fund a movement. If there's one started out there, point me in that direction so I can go. Last night on Keith Obermann, Al Gore suggested flash mobs. Anyone?

[Citizen Worker]

1. And as we wait for a charismatic leader the nation burns. We don't need to wait for such a leader

because he/she is among US.

[dissidentboomer]

19. Many of the religious poor and sinking middle class will join

once they learn that they really have no money or options for earning any beyond a job that pays close to minimum wage with no benefits. When they FINALLY realize that they have been cut off from the economic system and the way back to anything resembling a happy or comfortable life is blocked, they'll be in the streets. All of that anger and fear that talk radio, fox, the Koch brothers, etc. have nurtured in Bubba will be turned upward and become class hatred. One or two more big economic "recessions" (:rofl:) and most of the Bubbas will be completely tapped out. What the mega-rich are losing sleep over is that they have no clue about how to prevent it, other than massive Keynesian stimuli and/or a long trip down the road to socialist democracy. The tea baggers have scared them badly because they have made them realize that the usual conservative economic tools and libertarian alternatives are not solutions and, in fact, could create complete economic disaster quickly. Their only hope is to slow down the inevitable depression as much as possible, cut themselves loose from the US AND EU economies, and try to keep Bubba distracted with TV, movies, race hatred, and Jesus. As for music for the coming upheaval, may I suggest Green Day?

Where have all the bastards gone?
The underbelly stacks up ten high
The dummy failed the crash test
Collecting unemployment checks
A flunkie only along for the ride

Where have all the riots gone?
As the city's motto gets pulverized
What's in love is now in debt
On your birth certificate
So strike the fucking match to light this fuse!

The town bishop's an extortionist
He doesn't even know that you exist
Stand still when it's do or die
You better run for your fucking lives!

It's not over 'til you're underground
It's not over before it's too late
This city's burnin'
It's not my burden
It's not over before it's too late

There is nothing left to analyze....

~ Green Day (Letterbomb)

[Ozymanithrax]

2. If we wait for a leader, we may wait forever.

At some point, we must act, even if it is in a small way.

Find out where your Congressman, a government office, or a busy overpass and hold a one man/woman protest.

Be determined to get thrown out of the next town hall meeting.

Open your window and say, "I'm mad as hell..."

Get a T-shirt that says "Olberman's Army" and wear it.

Find someone who will run in front of our angry mob.

[yodermon]

3. tag

[Butch350]

4. There have been leaders like you speak of...

John kennedy
Robert kennedy
Martin Luther King
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

the list goes on...

What would happen to the guy or gal your referring to?

[PinkTiger]

6. Sacrificial lambs, you mean?

Yes - but if that is what it takes, that is what it takes. I'd be willing, but I'm not charismatic. Truly.

[Stargazer99]

5. You damned right....long past due

[starroute]

7. Charismatic leaders are both dangerous and unnecessary

Look instead to Anonymous for a model of leadership revolution.

We need a spark that will light the fire. An idea, a symbol, a slogan. But please, no leaders. They only let their egos get in the way.

[PinkTiger]

8. Whatever.

I said point me in the direction, and I'm saying it again. Point me. Who is Anonymous? A poster here?

Let's get a slogan and start pounding it. I'll do all I can.

[swilton]

9. This October 6 Federal Square in DC

OPEN LETTER: THE U.S. OCTOBER 2011 MOVEMENT STANDS IN SOLIDARITY WITH OUR GLOBAL ALLIES
Inspired by the courageous, nonviolent uprisings in Tunisia, Egypt, Bahrain, Yemen, Greece, Spain, and elsewhere, people in the United States have come together to form the October2011 Movement. This fusion of peace, social justice, environmental, student, and immigrant rights organizations is in solidarity with all who seek a peaceful, just, and sustainable future and stands ready to engage in its own campaign of nonviolent resistance beginning in Washington, D.C., this October.

http://october2011.org/welcome

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1235538

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x601892

[RyanPsych]

10. Too bad many of the poor are religious nut bags

or are too poor to take time off from work for such activity and still have enough $ to pay for food.

I'm all for a revolution baby. But it needs to be organized so that it doesn't become some libertarian monster on accident. That would be even worse than what we have now.

[PinkTiger]

11. Organize, then.

I'll come.

[bertman]

23. See post #9 in this thread, PinkTiger. It's organized. Join us in D.C. nt

[southernyankeebelle]

12. We will not win with violence. Use your brains and people need to march.

[blkmusclmachine]

13. It won't come out of the DEM Party apparatus in DC. They are totally compromised.

Time to think outside the box.

[emsimon33]

14. True

[Mrs. Ted Nancy]

15. the beatles

http://youtu.be/KrkwgTBrW78

[PinkTiger]

16. I was thinking more about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKYWOwWAguk

[bigmo]

17. Ready for a Revolution

We need to set up a network to organize a mass non violent uprising. We can learn from the Egyptians. We take to the streets, not during a weekend, but during the week, supported by a general strike. We stay out until we win.

Using the electoral system to build a society that respects human rights, and ensures an economic system that quarantees employment, housing, health care, and education to all is futile. It's going to take an insurrection. Obama is in the hip pocket of wealthy.

Both, our government and our country are full of shit!

[libmom74]

21. Non-violent is a great start but

has anyone noticed lately the militarisation of our police forces as well as the use of privately contracted mercenaries during natural disasters on US soil (like Katrina)? Did you happen to catch the video that was posted today about the sensless beating/tasing to death murder by police of a schizophrenic/homeless man? Our police, armed forces and private mercenary forces have been well trained to "deal" with anyone that is threat to those in power. We need to be willing to think beyond non-violent measures if necessary, because the other side won't hesitate.

[bertman]

22. See post #9 in this thread. bigmo. It's in the works. We need you.

See you in D.C. on October 6th.

[Doctor_J]

29. A general strike would take a MINIMUM of 10 million people

probably more like 20.

The electoral system is completely useless - as corrupt as any Banana Republic.

A really attention-getting strike against Big Media could be accomplished with fewer than 1000 dedicated citizens though. That's where the initial strike should be

[blkmusclmachine]

18. WE are the ones we've been waiting for.

n/t

[hack89]

20. No - I have seen the results of civil war up close

it is uglier than you could ever imagine.

[bertman]

24. hack89, no one suggested a civil war. A revolution can be non-violent and ours must be.

We have the power. We must use it. October 6th in D.C.

[Doctor_J]

30. We don't have ANY power

One thing we must do to move forward is to realize where we are, and where we are is completely with power or resource. 80% of the people in the country want the budget balanced by raising taxes on the rich, yet it doesn't happen. 70% want health care for all, yet ti doesn't happen. 70% wanted the Bush tax cuts repealed - didn't happen. When you say "We have the power" you are actually setting the cause BACK by believing in a fantasy.

[bertman]

31. Okay, Doctor_J. My thinking is along the lines of we have LATENT power that we are not using.

The Egyptians would have told you they had no power to fight Mubarak and depose him, but when they united and would not give up they won a victory. Not the war for sure, but definitely a battle. They are still fighting and will be for a long time.

Right now our power is like that roiling, boiling magma beneath a volcano. It is there and it is an energy that can be unbelievably effective at moving things and causing dramatic (and hopefully) positive change. It just has to reach critical mass or the tectonic plates have to grind together just forcefully enough to cause the breakthrough.

We have that power.

We also have the power to show that we are not sheep who will continue to be sheared and slaughtered for the Banksters or the MIC. But that power is now being exercised by very few of us. Once we join forces and the power bursts forth the waves will move around the nation and the globe.

Rest assured that the Powers That Be will not take it lying down. Anyone who thinks that is the case is going to be in for a big shock. I know what these bastards can and will do and I hope I am prepared to do what I have to do to help gather and unleash our power. I think that a lot of people like myself have come to realize that we no longer have a choice. We have been shown in no uncertain terms that our government does NOT work for us in any way, shape, or form when there is conflict with the Corporate need versus the Peoples' need. If we are unwilling to stand up against that now, I fear that we never will.

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[NothingRight]

27. The revolution must be against the money......

....not the elected leaders. Our political system has become intertwined with the corporate monopolistic system. Even if we elect all new leaders, the seats are still poisoned.

A revolution is absolutely necessary, but it is an economic revolution. Stop buying from the corporate conglomerates (I know that 100% avoidance may be hard in some areas) and buy from smaller, regional or local suppliers. I know that it may cost a little more, but the cost to us all right now is much bigger than the small increase in the cost of our routine goods and services.

If we can begin to hurt the beast, we can begin to swing momentum in our favor. Then we can look at moving forward with a constitutional amendment permanently eliminating corporate money from our elections, returning the controlling voice to the people.

If the GOP has their way, there will be very little government left, so we must fight the problem at its source, the money.

I will try to post new ideas to break the bonds of corporate purchasing slavery on my website, and I welcome any ideas. I will be glad to post them with all the credit going to whoever has the ideas.

www.nothingright.com

The Revolution begins now!!!

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[txlibdem]

32. I can't agree more -- the Pols are just as much hostages as we are

When the tanks start rolling we must mass by the millions to protect congress and the white house, as well as our Democratic state capitals.

Democracy must survive the coming conflagration but money and its dominance must be destroyed and crushed to dust.