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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:28 PM
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The Guardian: Where could Colonel Muammar Gaddafi go if he were exiled?
Libyan leader could follow Tunisia's Ben Ali to Saudi Arabia – or seek asylum in Venezuela or a host of African countries
Idi Amin finished up in Saudi Arabia. Mobutu Sese Seko went to Togo then settled in Morocco. Mengistu Haile Mariam, author of Ethiopia's Red Terror, is living out his days in Zimbabwe. And so, if the once unthinkable should happen and the dictator falls in Libya, whither Muammar Gaddafi?

Burkina Faso, Chad, Equatorial Guinea, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Venezuela and Zimbabwe are among the contenders floated by analysts if the self-declared "doyen of Arab leaders, king of kings of Africa and imam of all Muslims" was forced to seek asylum. Saudi hospitality has previously been extended to ousted Pakistani prime minister Nawaz Sharif and overthrown Tunisia's Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali. But its relations with Libya have been strained for years; in 2009 Gaddafi told King Abdullah: "You are propelled by fibs towards the grave and you were made by Britain and protected by the US."

Venezuela is a stronger candidate having had close ties with Libya of late. Gaddafi was seen shopping on a Venezuelan island during a summit 18 month ago. President Hugo Chavez has visited Libya several times and a football stadium there was named in his honour.

But Gaddafi also has a long history with the rest of Africa, which intensified after he switched from promoting Arab unity to buying influence at the African Union – debts he may now seek to call in.Adekeye Adebajo, executive director of the Centre for Conflict Resolution at Cape Town University in South Africa, said: "He has enough friends to be able to find a safe haven in many parts of Africa, but obviously there would be a lot of people scared to take him."

more:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/21/muammar-gaddafi-exile-options
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:30 PM
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1. VENEZUALA
I think that's pretty clear.

I don't know how that would work for a person more accustomed to a dry climate, but I think the invitation has already been extended.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:38 PM
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6. Do you think it will help persuade some people here that Chavez is a thug?
Or is it hopeless? :dilemma:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:46 PM
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7. I think it will convince people that Chavez
is willing to take in a guy who EVERYONE wants to emigrate from Libya.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:53 PM
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10. Well, apparently you think wrong. Venezuela has issued a
statement sayin he will not be going to that country. So, I guess your assumptions, based on what is a good question, have already been proven wrong.

However, they Gadhaffis have many allies in Europe, and in the U.S. Italy, Britain, and elsehwere. They vacation frequently in Europe, eg, and might be welcome either there or here in the U.S. where many people owe them for the profits they have earned in Libya.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:56 PM
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12. Fine, put a strike against me. I can live with that.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:58 PM
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13. Yours is about the sixth OP spreading that rumor today.
Despite the corrections offered by other people including the Ven. Govt statement itself.

Is it too much to ask for some kind of verification before posting rumors that have already been debunked?

It makes DU look bad when a rumor like this, already debunked over and over again, continues to be posted.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:06 PM
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16. Oh I am SO sorry to not be up to the minute on Venezula
Stick a fork in me and roast my ass.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-22-11 07:12 PM
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18. Actually, I don't know what Ven. had to do with this story at all
Ven. did not arm Qaddafi, Europe did, Ven. does not have huge oil interests in Libya nor have they sold property to the family of Qaddafi. They have not been making multi-billion dollar deals with Libya, nor did they re-introduce Libya to the World Stage.

In fact, Ven. has virtually no role in the rise in power and the deadly arming of that country's rulers. The real story is who does.

So the introduction of Venezuela to the story by the Brits is hilarious. They and the Italians and Canadians, the U.S. and other Western countries have been falling all over themselves trying to please Qaddafi enough so he will let them into his country to make huge profits there.

Qaddafi's son Said, eg, has lots of friends in Britain including Prince Andrew and has just recently bought a multi-million dollar home there. Andrew helped his friend Said get the Lockerbie bomber out of prison etc. So I guess the Brits are trying to defelct attention away from their own complicity in creating this monster.

It's almost laughable considering the magnitude of this problem to even mention the insignificant Venezuela who had nothing at all to do with the creation of this deadly monster. I have to wonder why it has persisted even after the Venezuela Govt. completely denied the allegation. And now we KNOW it was lie.

I think whoever started this irresponsible lie needs to apologize to Venezuela.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:50 PM
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9. He is far more likely to got to Britain, where his son just bought
a ten million dollar mansion. Nice place:




The lie that he might go to Ven. has already been denied by the Venezuelan Government, but don't let the stop you from spreading unsubstantiated rumors.



His son Said, is good friends with Prince Andrew. And then there are the photos of Hillary Clinton with one of his other sons, and of Obama with the Dicator himself.

So, it would seem Gadhaffi had a lot of choices of where to go, EXCEPT for Venezuela already debunked by that government.

Have the Brits said anything about him going there btw??

Or the U.S.? Wouldn't be the first time we harbored bad guys who were pretty good to the PTBs regarding Oil and other Business profits.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:30 PM
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2. He could live in Dick Cheney's guest room.
Those two would get along just fine.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:31 PM
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3. I understand there are caves near Tora Bora in Afghanistan that are pretty secure. nt
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:33 PM
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4. Is Reagan's ranch available? nt
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:33 PM
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5. He can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:50 PM
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8. NOT to Venezuela!
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:55 PM
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The propaganda persists, in spite of there being zero proof
and in spite of the Ven. Govt. statement dispelling the lies. I guess there is no need for accuracy when you have an agenda though. This must be the sixth OP attempting to spread that lie already debunked by the Ven. Govt. itself.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:59 PM
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14. not trying to spread propaganda...just posted a current article
:shrug:
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 03:55 PM
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11. The Hague

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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:00 PM
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15. +1000
:thumbsup:
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-21-11 04:50 PM
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17. I could tell him where to go, but ...
he'd have to share it with a lot of U.S. RWers. ;-)
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