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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:02 PM
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What's Wrong With The Media? (#1 Rated Diary @ DailyKos Right Now, by Cenk)
Edited on Mon Jul-20-09 01:40 PM by ihavenobias

By Cenk Uygur

Two different articles came out today on healthcare reform. One is in and the other is in . They both do two things that are inexplicable and inexcusable.

First, the president's healthcare reform package is thrown into doubt in both articles. Will he be able to pass it? Is he floundering? Is this reform effort in trouble?

When you read the articles, however, you don't get any reason why these assumptions are made or these questions asked. There are no poll numbers to indicate that the American people want healthcare reform any less - or that they are more skeptical about Obama's version. In fact, we know the opposite is true. There have been many different polls that show , which includes a public option (for example, a had 72% in favor and even a poll done by healthcare reform opponents showed ).

Those are unreal numbers and indicate that Obama has the public clearly behind him on this issue. So, what does the media do? They write an article about how Obama is in trouble on this issue. Their evidence? He called a "hastily scheduled" press conference on Friday that . Are you kidding me?

But mainly they almost seem to rejoice in pointing out that he is having trouble getting some of his fellow Democrats on board. That is true. And that gets us to point number two. Throughout both articles, they credulously point to conservative Democrats concerns about how quickly this is all proceeding or how much the plan will cost.

Did it not occur to these reporters that some of these so-called conservative or centrist Democrats might be against this reform effort because ? Would it not have given the reader a better and more informed perspective to at least mention this possibility? Or do you want to just take these politicians at their word?

Look, we all knew the healthcare industry was going to try to kill this reform effort, especially the public option provision. How did you think they were going to do it? Did you think they would just walk up to the media and announce, "We have these to eight senators and they will vote our way because we paid them."?

These senators are more. How credulous and sadly naïve and misinformed about politics can you be if you think that's what's happening here? Please don't tell me that you grizzled DC reporters are that pathetically unaware of how politics is actually played.

The "centrist" Democratic senators and congressman should more accurately be called "corporatist" Democrats. There is nothing conservative about being against more competition in the free market, . But that is certainly in the best interests of the existing corporations - to limit competition. There is all the difference in the world between being a capitalist and being a corporatist.

I get why the politicians are corporatist. Those are the guys who pay their bills, fund their elections and allow them to hold on to their power. That's no big mystery. That's exactly the battle we were waiting for in trying to do healthcare reform. What I don't get is why the media goes along with this theater?

What's the motivation of Politico and the Washington Post to help the healthcare industry fight back against Obama's proposals by: a) painting the effort as failing and losing momentum (if this idea sticks, maybe Obama will panic and just get reform done without a public option - which is exactly what the industry wants) b) pretending that the "centrist" politicians are on the level and totally unconcerned about where they get so much of their political funding?

It leads to the same question we unfortunately run into about the media so often - are they incompetent or complicit? give you a sense of why they might be financially motivated to play ball. But I can't get myself to believe that they are that craven and compromised. Maybe I'm being sadly naïve.

I tend to think that they suffer from DC bubble disease. They have forgotten that they are supposed to challenge politicians. They have been captured by the power interests in the capital and they are suffering from . They have become convinced that politicians generally mean well and the only acceptable way to challenge a politician is if you have an equal and opposite politician demanding that you do (because presumably he must mean well in offering up this challenge -- after all, it is not a legitimate opinion if it is not offered up by someone in power in Washington).

There is one more layer here. If one side is being bought by corporate interests and their opposition to another politician is not genuine or based on principle, you must not under any circumstances let the public know what game is actually being played...

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PS---TYT is now in Twitter: http://twitter.com/TheYoungTurks


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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:11 PM
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1. knr n/t
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:15 PM
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2. Faux and Andrea Mitchell at MSNBC are at it today as well.
Let's go after media reform too.


Here (Scroll down)

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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 03:08 PM
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11. Thanks for the link. n/t
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 11:18 AM
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40. AM and early PM MSNBC is no different from Faux News. Same shit, different mouths. nt
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 01:58 PM
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49. ed Schultz is early PM and he is certainly not the equivalent of Faux News.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:36 PM
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3. What's wrong with the media? They suck!
--imm
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 05:47 PM
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19. Nicely put and quite succinct.
or should I make that SUCKcinct? (LOL)
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 06:08 PM
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22. Thank you.
--imm :)
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:48 PM
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4. Always pays to remember the media are on balance right of center re. economics.
Cenk's the bomb. Only jerks shirk the Turks!
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:48 PM
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5. Cenk has a well calibrated BS Detector.
So much of officialdom in Washington, both sides, is tied to comfy lobbying jobs for spouses, kids, and SOs that now the lobbying groups have become "Too Big to Fail."
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:51 PM
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6. Rec n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:52 PM
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7. K&R. Exactly right.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 01:55 PM
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8. The media are owned by wealthy families or big corporations, too.
They are complicit, not ignorant or naive, not merely trapped in the DC bubble.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:21 PM
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10. Agreed.
Bought and paid for. They even went to court over their 'right' to knowingly pass on erroneous information, and won.

Who trusts 90% of what comes as MSM?
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 07:39 PM
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24. Primarily yes.
Although I'm sure a few of those other facts come into play to a lesser degree.
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tiny elvis Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 07:40 PM
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25. right
a major mistake by cenk
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 11:05 AM
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37. It's not just who owns them, it's who their
De Facto clients are, for the most part only mega-corporations can afford to pay the exorbitant price of commercials; especially national or regional ones.

The corporate media doesn't view the American People as clients, or citizens we're only customers or consumers; to be sold a candidate, product or down the river by the corporate media's clients.

You've heard the expression "too big to fail" well the corporate media are too big to succeed at least in regards to looking out for the American Peoples' best interests.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:19 PM
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50. Agreed. n/t
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 02:18 PM
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9. Cenk is so good with analysis
He really teases out the important points.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 03:15 PM
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13. yep! he's the read deal. sad we can't have more of that on the air, that's why he's not there full
time I guess.

We're only allowed so many accurate voices on the air, didn't you know? That's why that lawyer determined FAUX could lie to their viewers even though they have "NEWS" in their title.... what BS
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 08:54 PM
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27. Exactly.
The more honest and insightful you are the less likely you are to get and stay on television.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 03:11 PM
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12. Great post! K&R
:kick:
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 03:42 PM
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14. K&R
:kick:
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 03:52 PM
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15. Corporate Propaganda being passed off as news.
Pravda was tame compared to the collusion we are seeing in the media here in this country.
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Shireling Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 06:26 PM
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23. K & R
your statement.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 09:18 PM
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28. Unbiased news is sure hard to come by,
Edited on Mon Jul-20-09 09:20 PM by HCE SuiGeneris
and the masses that compose the majority of voters have their reality bent and skewed, effectively thwarting their quest to make an informed decision... it ends up being not worth the effort (too many claims to their time as it is) and they stop seeking better information sources.

It is a sick strategy perpetrated by the money players and their puppet politicians and pundits.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 04:09 PM
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16. KICK
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 04:11 PM
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17. K&R
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 05:12 PM
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18. highly recommended nt
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 05:47 PM
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20. K & R n/t
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 05:52 PM
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21. Walter Cronkite and Peter Jennings

were in a class by themselves, along with Edward R. Murrow.

They reported the news without the spin,fluff, smoke and mirrors.

K & R.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 07:53 PM
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26. RECOMMEMDED! Excellent article! Bookmarked.
Edited on Mon Jul-20-09 07:54 PM by JohnWxy
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 10:46 PM
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29. K&R + Bookmarked to follow those links
Thanks a lot for this, Tom.

:kick: & R
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 11:31 PM
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30. nailed it nt
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 01:24 AM
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31. Shocking. Media is controlled? Operation Mockingbird? Yawn. Shocking.
Carl Bernstein wrote about it in 1977?

http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

Yawn... SHOCKING
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 10:05 AM
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34. Good point, most Americans have read the Berstein piece making this irrelevant.
;)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 01:57 AM
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32. k*r These are also the backers of the Post & Politico
"Did it not occur to these reporters that some of these so-called conservative or centrist Democrats might be against this reform effort because their primary financial benefactors are the same healthcare companies that are desperate to kill this bill? "

Great point, great article. It's all as it should be. Corporate media is just doing its job. They're
paid to take this slant.

Thanks God there are enough sleeper cells in CM to get some real news out.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 09:55 AM
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33. Ghastly impolite.
Either way -- incompetent or complicit (I suspect it is both) -- what we are seeing is that Democracy does indeed fail without an adversarial press. Cenk is right that politicians are doing what comes naturally. And they've always been doing it. But we've lost the adversarial check on their behavior, because voters aren't actually being made aware of what's happening.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 10:12 AM
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35. vote this up on digg, reddit (already posted there, just needs votes) so more see it LINKS
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 10:38 AM
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36. Thanksf or the links. n/t
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 11:17 AM
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38. Challenge pols? Nah, these rags are infomercials for the insurance industry. nt
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 11:18 AM
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39. Cenk, you should have a discussion about FUD tactics on TYT
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 12:05 PM by harun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

If you look at the headlines about Obama, from nearly all Corporate Media, it paints him as "defending" and weak. The Repukes on the other hand are painted as "aggressive" and demanding. I would like to see a TYT on FUD tactics and how the Corporate Media is going to try and use Fear Uncertainty and Doubt against all Health Care Reform.

Obama defends August deadline for health care bill (Weakness)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090721/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_health_care_overhaul

Obama concedes health plan needs work (Weakness)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090721/pl_nm/us_usa_healthcare

Gov. Jindal voices health-care concerns using national stage (FEAR)
http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/51270317.html

Hatch: Too Rushed On Health Care (Uncertainty)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/19/ftn/main5173171.shtml

Should Canada’s Health System Become More Like America’s? (Doubt)
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/20/should-canadas-health-system-become-more-like-americas/?hp

Trouble for Health Care Reform, Obama (Doubt)
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dot.comments/2009/07/trouble_for_health_care_reform_obama.html

One can find thousands more examples.


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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 11:25 AM
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41. Harun, you should Twitter this to TYT.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 11:38 AM
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42. Ok, I did.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 12:12 PM
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43. They are not on our side.
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 12:48 PM
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44. k & r n/t
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 01:26 PM
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45. too late for me to rec
ttt
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 01:41 PM
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47. There is this one
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 01:39 PM
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46. been saying the gnews
are the true opposition-enemy, for years.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 01:55 PM
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48. The Post has zero credibility- and hasn't had any for many years now
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 01:55 PM by depakid
and Politico? LOL.

Par for the course.
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