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sledgehammer Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:05 AM
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Michael Moore on the auto industry
As you expect with Michael Moore, simply put and well said.

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CNN's Larry King talked Wednesday with Michael Moore, a filmmaker with deep ties to the auto industry. Moore's father worked for General Motors for 35 years.

In 1989, Moore became an international figure for his film, "Roger and Me," which centered on the declining auto industry in his hometown of Flint, Michigan and the ripple effect on the town's residents.

The following is an edited version of the interview.

Larry King: Michael, was (the movie) prophetic?

Michael Moore: When I made that film, there were still 50,000 people working at General Motors in Flint. I mean they had eliminated 30,000 jobs, but there were still some jobs there.

Today, I think there's less than 12,000 working in the area, so it has devastated Flint. Flint was one of the first towns to go. When I made that movie almost 20 years ago, I hoped that the film would be a warning to other cities that this corporation was intent upon removing jobs from this country and taking them to Mexico and Brazil and other places.

When I made that movie that year, General Motors made a profit of over $4 billion, and they were still laying off people simply to make a bit more money, the people who helped to build the company, the workers in their hometown of Flint, Michigan, they just forgot about them and took the money and ran.

King: Since the principle was, 'We'll have the cars built elsewhere and many of the cars are built elsewhere now,' what went wrong if they were paying less out of the country to build them?

Moore: Well, what really went wrong is that General Motors has had this philosophy from the beginning that what's good for General Motors is good for the country. So, their attitude was we'll build it and you buy it. We'll tell you what to buy. You just buy it.

Eventually, the consumer got smart and said, 'You know what, I'd like a car that gets a little better gas mileage. I'd like a car that's safer on the road,' so they started to buy other cars. General Motors still wouldn't change. They still kept building the wrong cars, and more and more people stopped buying them.

At a certain point, you know, General Motors lost such a large part of the market share that there probably was a point of no return.

Now, here we are on the verge of this collapse. If General Motors collapses, then there goes hundreds of thousands of jobs, if not millions of jobs of the ripple effect of this.

King: And the same is true of Ford and Chrysler?

Moore: Absolutely. I'll tell you, it was hilarious just watching these CEOs there (Tuesday) and (Wednesday) testifying in Congress, saying that, you know, that the problem wasn't theirs, you know, the cars they were building. It was the financial situation that we're in now.

The problem is the cars they've been building. They've never listened to the consumers. They've just gone about it their own wrong way. I'll tell you, you know, I'm of mixed mind about this bailout, Larry, because I don't think these companies, with these management people, should be given a dime, because that's just going to be money going up in smoke or off to other countries.

GM is currently building a $300 million factory in Russia right now to build SUVs, right outside of St. Petersburg. That's where your money's going to go, no matter what they say.

King: Why (do you have) mixed feelings?

Moore: Well, because we can't let all these people lose their jobs because of the bad decisions, the stupid decisions made by the management of these auto companies. I think what has to happen here is that Congress needs to pass some legislation, and our president-elect needs to do what Roosevelt did.

When Roosevelt came in and when World War II faced the country, Roosevelt said to General Motors and Ford, you're not going to build cars anymore. You're going to build airplanes and tanks and guns and the things that we need for this war because we have a national crisis. General Motors had to do what Roosevelt told them they had to do.

King: What do you want them to do now?

Moore: President-Elect Obama has to say to them, yes, we're going to use this money to save these jobs, but we're not going to build these gas-guzzling, unsafe vehicles any longer.

We're going to put the companies into some sort of receivership and we, the government, are going to hold the reigns on these companies. They're to build mass transit. They're to build hybrid cars. They're to build cars that use little or no gasoline. iReport.com: New emissions standards, other improvements needed
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We're facing a national crisis, not just an economic crisis, but a crisis of the polar ice caps are melting. There's only so much oil left under the Earth. We're going to run out of that, if not in our children's time, our grandchildren's time.

There's got to be a plan set out to find other ways to transport ourselves in other ways than using fossil fuels.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/20/lkl.michael.moore/index.html

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:15 AM
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1. Not a Bad Plan, Michael
I would love to retire all the B-school, good ole boy in pinstripe, well-connected and well-heeled executives in this country, or bust them down to the mailroom, and let the first or second ranking supervisors have some input. I'd like the engineers to get to freely create what they know needs to be. I'd like to outsource all the bean counters.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:16 AM
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2. No account for GM's innovative two-mode hybrid and battery research for PHEV Chevy Volt
Those were forward-looking programs. I think Mr. Moore is out of his league here. I can tell that he has never worked on a product development team.

"Moore: Well, what really went wrong is that General Motors has had this philosophy from the beginning that what's good for General Motors is good for the country. So, their attitude was we'll build it and you buy it. We'll tell you what to buy. You just buy it."
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:55 AM
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4. GM destroyed the EV-1, you're on shaky ground calling the volt an innovation
the volt is a survival response.
GM is reaping what it sowed. MM is right about the attitude of GM.
If you look at their marketing, etc, it's always been they TELL us what we "want"
not the other way around, that's why foreign cars have been KILLING the big 3 for 2 decades!

after all one does not need to know HOW the economy works to know that it's NOT working.
and you seem to forget, MM is the son of a union worker, I imagine he knows better than WE do about what's involved.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:00 AM
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5. Fuck that.
What they are getting around to doing NOW should have been done 20 years ago.

More is absolutely right. The big 3 waited until that last minute had passed, and THEN decided to become innovative. They STILL don't believe in peak oil. They STILL don't believe that their very survival depends on embracing a new paradigm for passenger vehicles.

The electric car fiasco of the 90s - when there was a perfectly serviceable electric car in use on a daily basis - is evidence of that. There were a couple problems with it. Did they continue and expand the production of electrics, developing infrastructure support for them while continuing to improve the vehicles range and developing newer, better batteries?

No. They sent them all to the compactor. A paltry few million a year over the last 15 years would have seen them capable of going all electric by today. Now, they want billions so they can BEGIN what was already begun 15 years ago.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 10:47 AM
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3. If Obama does this, he will be greater than Roosevelt.
If he can do this - get the car manufacturers, the UAW and all involved parties to accept a plan - he may be the greatest President America ever had.

You may remember that Roosevelt tried to revive the economy with the National Recovery Administration. It included protection for labor unions and promotion of public works projects as well as industrial help. It got eliminated by Republicans in Congress.

If Obama can produce a new version of the Act - and get management and unions to stick to it - he will have done something Roosevelt couldn't do.

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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 03:25 PM
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8.  tomreedtoon
tomreedtoon

Sorry my ignorance, but what stand NRA for?.. I guess it have something with a union membership to do..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 04:05 PM
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9. Your confusion is understandable.
In Roosevelt's day it stood for "National Recovery Administration." If it helps, here is a link to Wikipedia that explains it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Industrial_Recovery_Act

The confusion is that currently, NRA stands for "National Rifle Association," a group of firearm owners who are constantly afraid that their guns will be taken away by the government. Because they seem to find their only security in life in the ownership of more and more guns and ammunition, a lot of people call them "gun nuts."

That isn't strictly true, but the present-day NRA takes some stupid political positions.
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:34 AM
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6. Like a ROCK , Yeah right.
Chevy commercial from about a decade ago.
Remember?

"Like a Rock"

More like a Rock Head.
That was GM's executive leadership.
They built the Chevy Vega and the exploding Chevy pickup truck.
Now, it's time for them to pay.
GET OUT executive leadership.
Remember just a few months ago the head of GM said that global warming was a "goddamn myth"?

Well so is your job asshole.

Time to GO.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-08 11:42 AM
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7. And he nails it again
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