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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 07:15 AM
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The H1B Visa Sham
Monday, June 23, 2008

Summary
As the annual H-1B quota gets exhausted, industry groups claim that the huge number of H-1B visa applications demonstrates that more H-1B visas should be available. However, comparing the number of H-1B visas in their largest represented occupations (computers and engineering) to the number of jobs created in those occupations presents a different picture of the H-1B visa program. This study examines the relationship between the number of H-1B visas and job growth. It finds that the number of H-1B visas approved in these fields greatly exceeds any reasonable number reflected by economic demand.

Key Findings

There is no cause and effect relationship between H-1B visas and job creation. Adding H-1B visas does not create additional jobs for U.S. workers.

Since 1999, the United States has approved enough H-1B visas for computer workers to fill 87 percent of net computer job growth over that period.

Since 1999, the United States has had a net loss of 76,000 engineering jobs. Over the same time period, the United States has approved an average of 16,000 new H-1B visas each year for engineers.

If current employment trends continue and the H-1B quota remains unchanged, the United States will approve enough H-1B visas for computer workers to fill about 79 percent of the computer jobs it creates each year.

Pending legislation would increase the number of H-1B visas for computer workers to above the number of computer jobs created each year.

The data suggest that a large percentage of those who legally enter United States on H-1B visas go into the illegal alien pool.


Background


H-1B is a non-immigrant, employer-sponsored guest worker visa that allows people in to work on a temporary basis in the United States in an occupation that generally requires a bachelor’s or higher level of education.1 H-1B visas are used for people with in a wide range of fields. However, workers in computer and engineering occupations receive the majority of the visas and the H-1B program is most closely identified with technology occupations. In general, one can remain in the United States for up to six years on an H-1B visa. An H-1B visa is valid for up to three years and can be renewed once. A worker on an H-1B visa can change jobs and transfer the visa among employers.

The focus of most debate on the H-1B program has been the number of visas available. Each year since 2004, the annual visa quota has been exhausted. Some critics claim that exhaustion of the quota shows that it is not large enough due to a shortage of workers.2 Others, including this report, argue that H-1B usage does not reflect the need for workers.

The number of visas available has changed substantially over the past decade. Up until 1998, there was an annual limit of 65,000 H-1B visas. From 1998 to 2004 Congress enacted several changes to this limit. In 1998, the limit was temporarily expanded to 115,000 through FY 2003. That temporary increase was increased to 195,000 in 2000. Also in 2000, visas to government and non-profit research laboratories and to universities were exempted from the annual limits. In 2004, Congress approved another 20,000 H-1B visas for those with graduate degrees from U.S. universities.3

Under the current law, the number of visas is:

65,000 in the general pool.
20,000 to those with graduate degrees from U.S. universities.
Unlimited to non-profit and government research laboratories and to universities.
Figure 1 shows how the number of approved new H-1B visas (not counting renewals and transfers) has changed with the statutes.

Interesting read supplied with Figures:
More at: http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=0B9FC789-8BCB-4B83-B0FD-8B85EC5D2992
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 10:20 AM
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1. Kicking!
Thank you. I will send this to my Senators.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:50 AM
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2. Wow, K & R
I'm bookmarking that page for future reference. Very interesting.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:08 PM
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3. what jobs can't go overseas, we bring overseas employees in to fill. why do they hate America?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:20 PM
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4. H2B visas are also a problem... Promises aren't delivered. These people in effect become slaves...
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:51 PM
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5. I'm not too sure about this website.
After looking at the link more carefully I'm a little nervous about this 'Frontpage' website. It has a link to "Jihad Watch" http://www.jihadwatch.org/
and to Horowitz...

The contact page for Frontpage has Ann Coulter listed as a columnist.

I don't see the H1B Visa issue as related to immigration but rather to Corporate greed, which is at the bottom of all the immigration issues.
:shrug:
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sourmilk Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:45 PM
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6. I wouldn't believe ANYTHING from FrontPage Mag.
I worked in the USA on an H1B visa for eight years. I had specific expertise, I was one of only TWELVE foreign visa workers at our location (about 1200 people), I was never exploited and made just as much money as anyone else in my company, in my pay classification.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 01:54 PM
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7. The truth is often in between
Edited on Mon Jun-23-08 02:34 PM by ihavenobias
Are there cases like yours? Of course. Is there reason to believe that everyone on an HIB visa had your same experience? Of course not.

It's always interesting when people on the right AND left find common ground (obviously I'm on the left, I'm just referring to the source article here). Hardcore progressive like Thom Hartmann also have plenty of say about outsourcing and they have no malicious intent or motives.
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sourmilk Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:42 PM
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8. I didn't actually say that I WHOLLY disagreed with the article.
I would have took it much more seriously, however, had the source not been a RW Hate Rag founded by David Horowitz...
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:45 PM
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9. I can supply you with other sources
if need be.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:46 PM
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10. I understand your objection
Edited on Mon Jun-23-08 02:47 PM by ihavenobias
I would not have taken it as seriously if people on the left ALSO hadn't raised many of the same concerns with insourcing and outsourcing:

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0705-23.htm
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 02:49 PM
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11. How's This? (Have any problems with "Infoworld?")
Report refutes claims of dire need for more H-1B visas

June 17, 2008

In an address at the National Society of Black Engineers Region VI conference, Bill Gates perpetuated the belief that the United States is not graduating enough science and engineering majors and that that the overall performance of high school students in science and math is declining.

< Ephraim Schwartz is on vacation. This blog post first appeared on November 17, 2007, but with the recent Congressional efforts to make it easier for tech companies to hire foreign nationals, it seemed timely to revisit. --Eds. >

Typically, these two myths are used as an excuse to promote the need for more H-1B visas.

High-tech industry leaders have dismissed as not true any suggestion that the real reason for wanting an increase is in order to hire cheap labor.

Now a new study, "Into the Eye of the Storm: Assessing the Evidence on Science and Engineering Education, Quality, and Workforce Demand," by Lindsay Lowell, Georgetown University and Hal Salzman, The Urban Institute refutes those claims.

The Urban Institute describes itself as a "nonprofit, nonpartisan policy research and educational organization that examines the social, economic, and governance problems facing the nation."

The report confronts two major issues, that of a labor shortage and a decline in educational excellence in science and math of U.S. students.

According to the report available data indicates increases "in absolute numbers of secondary school graduates and increases in their math and science performance level."

The report compares performance not only with national test results over a number of years but with test results of student performance from other countries as well.

For example, the study found that in 1982 high school graduates earned 2.6 math credits and 2.2 science credits. By 1998 the average was 3.5 for math and 3.2 for science credits.

In addition, the percentage of 13-year-olds taking algebra increased by 38 percent over that time period.

Data from the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) shows steady improvement in both math and science test scores.

In another part of the report, the authors cites studies that looked at six international tests administered by the International Association for the Evaluation of Educational Achievement and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

The aggregate data concluded: "U.S. students have generally performed above average in comparisons with students in other industrialized nations."

As far as a shortage in computer science graduates to fill available jobs in the United States the study concludes that "the education system produces qualified graduates far in excess of demand."

Finally the reports concludes that, "assessing the claims of labor market shortages is crucial. Purported labor market shortages for scientists and engineers are anecdotal and also not supported by the available evidence."

But this doesn't seem to stop the steady drumbeat from high tech executives who keep saying over and over again that there is a shortage both in qualified computer science graduates now and in the pipeline in our schools to meet future needs.


Read the report. I found it both provocative and enlightening.

http://weblog.infoworld.com/realitycheck/archives/2008/06/report_refutes_1.html
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sourmilk Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 03:11 PM
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12. As I previously stated, I do not wholly disagree.
The idea that there is some shortage in qualified USA-born Engineering and IT applicants is preposterous. I wouldn't hire any of them, however. Too expensive. Just a wee joke, there...

And thanks for the InfoWorld link, too.

I do not often willingly go to FrontPageMag, however.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 04:24 PM
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13. As an IT guy out of work for over 1 year....K&R
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 05:10 PM
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14. I changed careers to IT for the promise of upward mobility
And yet they are busy destroying my chances to do so, while creating a slave population.

It's true what they say then- capitalism can't thrive without a victim.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 03:32 AM
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15. ok, but please don't assume that all H1-Bs are stealing jobs from US citizens
Some jobs, probably a small percentage, are legitimate hires -- usually specialty fields where there were not enough qualified US citizens to fill the positions. That's the situation where I work (a non-profit highly specialized science research institution), it's like a mini-United Nations. Walk down the corridor and you may hear conversations in Spanish, Russian, Chinese, Italian, Hindi, German, Japanese, and English with an English accent. It's pretty cool.

Anyhow, Ohio Chick has been posting about a very serious problem that needs to be exposed. But as you read it, please remember that a small percentage of H1 holders are legitimate hires, many of them in academia and non-profit research. And there are some of us at DU who came here with H1 visas, became citizens, and love this country.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 07:12 AM
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16. "ok, but please don't assume that all H1-Bs are stealing jobs from US citizens"
I have never said nor insinuated that statement. I've always blamed the CEO's and Execs of U.S. companies for outsourcing/insourcing foreign workers to do the job, when there are many qualified U.S. citizens right here at home....many unemployed but cannot compete due to greedy CEO's looking for workers on the cheap.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 10:47 AM
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17. i know you understand that
you've been following this issue more closely than anyone at DU, and educating us all about it. I appreciate that.

I was reminding others, new to learning about this story, that not all H1Bs are the same, and to keep in mind that some percentage of those visa holders are here for good reasons.

Sorry if I offended you, it was not my intention.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 11:37 AM
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18. You didn't offend me....
No harm done. :)
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