Are most Americans now progressive or borderline progressive?

[wcepler]

Increasingly, all the polls indicate that "conservatism", especially Bush/fascist conservatism, is in the basement percentages of American citizens and voters.

It may be cute to condemn statistics, but the Japanese economy (especially their auto industry) dramatically "defeated" the American economy a few decades ago BECAUSE they took things like quality control and inferential statistics seriously. While junior executives in the American car industry made jokes about a rigorously quantitative approach to business, the Japanese were making managerial decisions based on precisely such quantitative analysis and data and the results are still omnipresent.

So, political polls DO give a very real sense of the American state of mind -- and it ain't "conservative". That pendulum swing has long since had its day.

The only reason it still has political clout is that it has now has next to nothing to do with traditional conservatism. What "passes for" conservatism is now ruthless, genocidal, assassination fascism. In effect, the neocon cabal's neo-Nazi Party (a contradiction which is too surreal for words).

The explosive possibility in all this is that we truly may be on the verge not only a viable American 3rd Party, but a very successful one, i.e., the American Progressive Party.

What if, for example, the Clinton's manage to steal the nomination, using the same fascist tactics the Bush Republican's used in 2000 to steal the presidential election?

What then? Don't we have to consider the real possibility such a theft would catalyze if not a muted civil war, AT LEAST it would catalyze that virtual country of disenfranchised progressive Americans who are the plurality, if not the actual majority, of the United States of America.

Let's face it, Hillary Clinton is the second most hated person on planet Earth (next to the Bush anti-Christ), and if she and her infinitely hypocritical husband DO manage to criminally steal the Democratic (a now meaningless word) nomination, the response would be volcanic. Eight more years of Bush-in-a-dress-fascism is absolutely not acceptable, and presumably passionate progressives would be willing to do WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO to save our country from the Clinton DLC/Republican traitor machine.

Of course, the pugs would love for the Clinton's to succeed, because defeating her in the 2008 presidential election would be like shooting a fish in a barrel. Ironically, exactly the opposite would be true for Obama who would run over no brain McCain (hey, medical facts are medical facts) like a 747.

The big point here is that for the first time in decades, American progressives are rigorously organized, munificently financed, and at least the plurality (probably the majority!) of the American populace.

And oh yes, we also have the internet and we're bloody going to KEEP it and creatively use it to obliterate Bush Family fascism and right wing lunatic fringe psychopathology.

So, from this progressive cauldron of idealism and "majority rule", where are we going next? No matter WHAT happens, this atomic power plant of passion, rage, and honest to God morality is going to change the face of America radically and permanently.

And President Barack Obama is going to the cutting edge of an American Renaissance.

Camelot, here we come!
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W. Christopher Epler (Bill)

ps. Vampire elites. Hang on to your billions while you can, because the human race has finally awakened to the infinite treachery you've been up to for the last 6,000 plus years, and we are going to find a way, believe me, WE ARE GOING TO FIND A WAY to share the wealth of Mother Nature with all God's children. You will no more be able to stop this planetary wealth equality of the human species than sneezing back a Pacific tsunami. Listen! Do you hear the oncoming roar of the approaching 99.5% (at least) of the human race?

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[mac2]

1. Yes election 2006 showed it to be true.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

2. Obama is not that progressive. Sorry if you think he represents real change.

He's sold out to the big corporations too. He is no radical.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

3. I think they're progressive and don't know it, IF we define

progressive as economically and politically left, not behaviorally left.

In other words, someone who is against abortion rights and gay rights and wants to own a gun may still wish that s/he had affordable health care and that ordinary people are being screwed over in favor of the wealthy.

[OHdem10]

4. Remember, this is a Democratic Primary.

The other half of Political Realm--the Republicans--have
not weighed in on this. The ones that do comment, do not
give any sign of changing to progressive.

Are more people willing to consider that Government might be
able to do some things well; as opposed to the idea that Government
is the problem,. I would say people may be more willing to listen.
More people are becoming Independents--disguseed with both parties.

Someone is still going to have to do a good job of educating the
public on how economic conservatism has driven the country into
the ditch. Otherwise, the GOP will continue to win with theie
Tax and Spend accusations.

[Demeter]

5. Most Americans Are Finally Aware That They've Been Screwed

and are in a bad temper. They are looking for effective leadership out of the morass, and deciding Hillary isn't the one.

[wcepler]

6. bulls eye

I think this says it to perfection. More and more they signs and signals are that for most Americans in general, the line has been crossed and they know "They've Been Screwed".

Bill

[selador]

7. more anti-capitalist crap

"Vampire elites. Hang on to your billions while you can, because the human race has finally awakened to the infinite treachery you've been up to for the last 6,000 plus years, and we are going to find a way, believe me, WE ARE GOING TO FIND A WAY to share the wealth of Mother Nature with all God's children. You will no more be able to stop this planetary wealth equality of the human species than sneezing back a Pacific tsunami. Listen! Do you hear the oncoming roar of the approaching 99.5% (at least) of the human race? "

most of the wealth has been CREATED through capitalism. wealth is not zero sum - due to innovation, increased efficiencies, invention, etc. this has been proven over and over again, yet some economically ignorat still cling to the "idea" that all wealth is STOLEN.

wealth equality is neither desirable nor possible. and every time it has been tried it has resulted in tyranny and some of the worst regimes in the history of mankind.

i can't understand why this anti-capitalist nonsense is so loved here. i guess there are more than a few who cling to these discredited marxist notions that labior is value, and that profit is stealing.

[wcepler]

9. elite daydreams

This is criminally simplistic. Are we to believe the wealth of a company is actually created from a handful of "executives" and not (a.) Mother Earth and (2.) the gigantic working class. God, these elite daydreams are infinitely out of touch with reality.

[LWolf]

8. An American Progressive Party would be great.

The Democratic Party is more centrist than progressive these days.

Obama is not all that progressive; he fits better with the centrist Democratic Party.

[MasonJar]

10. Excuse me if I do not share your implicit disdain for all things Clinton.

Bill Clinton is admired where ever he goes and for obvious reasons; he is a man with not only natural charisma, but also with indefatigable strength of empathy for his fellow man. If Obama had not run this time, all the blacks, who have been so well served by the Clintons and so appreciative of those efforts by the Clintons (who have always been sincerely cognizant of the value of all citizens of the world), would be soundly behind Hillary. Whether DUers like it or not, the Clintons are widely admired throughout the world. I am constantly at a loss to discover the animosity against these two incredible dems.

[elleng]

11. Americans are moderate,

whatever 'progressive' or 'borderline-progressive' mean.

[laststeamtrain]

12. What does 'progressive' mean these days?

Clobamton is about as progressive as Nelson Rockefeller. Which is to say not progressive at all.

At least neither is insane as I suspect John McCain is.