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SayitAintSo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 06:55 PM Original message |
Race Man - How Obama Played the Race Card |
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. Welcome to the world of politics. |
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SayitAintSo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Not sure what you mean |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Too bad it's not misguided |
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IowaGirl (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
3. Excellent article, thank you for posting this...... |
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SayitAintSo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Thanks - Finding this article was a god send for me.... |
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IowaGirl (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. This guy has real credibility.... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. thanks, I had not looked him up. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
36. No, actually, he doesn't. He's a male Taylor Marsh: |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
39. Yes, this writer is genuine, a longtime historian, not a newbie at all,... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. He was on msnbc?--really where when |
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SayitAintSo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Tucker Carlson on MSNBC Weds 2/27 6:00pm ( EST) n/t |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. thanks-i saw the post downstram also--but will look for a transcript later. |
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SayitAintSo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. You can find the clip here from this link |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:19 AM Response to Reply #32 |
51. Thanks much |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. I have been saying that for weeks.... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. several of us have--we have been duly smacked down |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
4. and after all this, they want us to rally behind Obama for the sake of the party! |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. the media has convinced most it was Bills fault. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Jesse Jackson Jr. on Hillary's tears (katrina comment)--talked about in the article |
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SayitAintSo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. That got all over me......n/t |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. i recall that so clearing . I was speachless. yet the media was sucking it up |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:53 AM Response to Reply #16 |
55. And the media did not play it up for what it really was - genuine race-baiting! |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. "Sadly, it is what Barack Obama and his campaign gurus have been doing for months--with the aid of t |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. So who's really the one 'doing anything to win' in this race? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. the media not only reports 'news'---It creates the news. |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Yes, 'news' has become so distorted in the US anymore. Which is why... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I try to do that also----a reality check! |
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IowaGirl (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
76. What do you think about this article? |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. WOW. |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Oops... |
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IowaGirl (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. Posting article... |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. the problem is most Americans are either uninformed or misinformed by the media! |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:10 AM Response to Reply #77 |
93. yes, they do don't they!! |
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IowaGirl (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
74. Sadly, is right... |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
87. That was particularly vile and unworthy |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
5. Thank you. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. says here that Bill Moyers had done a show on it at the time. I had missed that one: |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:12 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. Shit, rodeo, how come none of this makes it into GD-P? |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:13 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Someone finally posted it there-not getting to much attention. But yes, seems |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
73. Yes, ex-LBJ staffer Bill Moyers quietly mentioned the 'tempest in a teapot' character... |
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LadyVT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #27 |
89. I saw Bill Moyers on Obama. |
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kikiek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
6. I am not surprised. There never was a motive to do it. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. no, never was. Bill would never be a racist |
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kikiek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. And why would she alienate members of her own base? It is obvious it was Barak's solution to that |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I have asked that several times. It made on sense then or now--she lost that base. why |
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kikiek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Emotional responses. Just what they expected. Carefully crafted personna isn't he? Kinda scary. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
9. Read this article when it was linked in another forum. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. this is where it really started--that innocent MLK remark by Hillary |
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SayitAintSo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Yep - that's when I began to follow it.... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. i know-so many were so eager to jump on the bandwagon--the media here: |
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mcwash (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
26. This article was written from an alternative universe |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. no, I do not believe you--I watched it unfold and was stunned and still am. |
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SayitAintSo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. When the Doris Kerns Goodwins of ther world cry foul it's no fantasy... n/t |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #26 |
37. This guy is a piker and a Hillary apologist: |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #26 |
38. The problem is that it's an easy mistake. |
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SayitAintSo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:45 AM Response to Reply #38 |
53. Thanks for your additional commentary - it helps me understand it all |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #53 |
62. I have faith that people can change "worldviews" If they choose to do so. |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:56 AM Response to Reply #26 |
42. No. You are obviously not familiar with Mr WIlentz, who has written a book on the... |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:17 AM Response to Reply #42 |
50. History profs are good at details |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
33. K&R |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
34. K&R |
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jlake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
35. I am glad that the obvious is beginning to get some coverage in the media. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #35 |
56. yes, past time |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
40. K & R! |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
41. Kick. |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
43. Kickety-kick! |
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Qanisqineq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
44. a good read |
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kerstin (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:54 AM Response to Original message |
45. k & r. n/t |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
47. So I wasn't crazy - it really did happen - thanks! |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I am relieved also:-)--and some brave soul posted it in gd-p here: |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
52. What a surprise that The New Republican is trying to sink Obama |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #52 |
63. Why did Obama get duped by DRUDGE--one of the slimest RW sites around? |
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IowaGirl (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
75. Uh, that's New Republic, not "Republican".... |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. LOL! Need to read more carefully next time! Eh! nt |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #75 |
91. It used to be the New Republic |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
54. Kick, kick, kick! |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
64. K! |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
65. . |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:31 AM Response to Reply #65 |
90. ;-) |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
66. Obama's Swiftboating of the Clintons - Exposed! |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. ! |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. denial has a strong hold on people |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
67. Consider the source. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. BO had no problems talking the RW DRUDGE's word as sacred a few days ago. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. no response?????? |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. I wasn't sure what it was supposed to mean. The fact that TNR is a pro-war, |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Drudge had no evidence--just heresay--and Obama believed that RW slim bucket! |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
69. ! |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
72. !!! |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
81. . |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
83. Did you read the first comment - it was exactly what I felt after reading the article. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. "The Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so"- |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Where were they trumpeted by the Obama campaign? |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
94. ! |
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