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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:25 AM
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The Real Story of Thanksgiving by Rush Limbaugh
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 08:32 AM by underpants
If you have never been privy to hear this before enjoy. It is quite a hoot.

Oh and yes this is for real. He reads this every year. Basically it is mostly about how history has lied to you and now HE is going to tell you the truth on the whole "culture of victimization" that fuels his audiences "interest" shall we say.

http://www.nbizz.com/chrmcclung/listings/112.html

It's time for the real story of Thanksgiving and the George Washington 1789 Thanksgiving Proclamation. The real story of Thanksgiving in my second book, See, I Told You So. It's in the chapter that begins on page 66, and the title of that chapter is "Dead White Guys Or What Your History Books Never Told You." Now, as is so often the case with much of what has happened on this program, the details of this story are now all over the Internet under other people's names and bylines, which is fine with me. I'm like Ronald Reagan: I don't care how the truth gets out. I don't care who gets the credit for it, as long as it gets out. The more people that get it out, the more people that understand it, spread it, the better. But this book goes back to 1994 or '93, actually, and the true story of Thanksgiving prior to that time, I didn't see it anywhere. Like I was telling you at the beginning of the program, I'm like everybody else.

When I was going to grade school and it was time to teach us about Thanksgiving, the basic synopsis of what I was told was the Pilgrims arrived at Plymouth Rock, a bunch of destitute white people. When they arrived; they had no clue what to do, didn't know how to grow corn, didn't know how to hunt, basically didn't know how to do anything. And if it weren't for the Injuns who befriended them and gave them coats and skins and taught them how to fish and shared their food and corn with them, the Pilgrims wouldn't have survived and the Pilgrims thanked them by killing them and taking over the country and bringing with them syphilis, environmental destruction, racism, sexism, bigotry and homophobia.

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The original contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store, and each member of the community was entitled to one common share. All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belong to the community as well. Bradford, who had become the new governor of the colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had taken so many lives.

"He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to each family to work and manage, thus turning loose the power of the marketplace. That's right. Long before Karl Marx was even born, the Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be described as socialism. And what happened? It didn't work! Surprise, surprise, huh? What Bradford and his community found was that the most creative and industrious people had no incentive to work any harder than anyone else, unless they could utilize the power of personal motivation! But while most of the rest of the world has been experimenting with socialism for well over a hundred years – trying to refine it, perfect it, and re-invent it – the Pilgrims decided early on to scrap it permanently. What Bradford wrote about this social experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson If it were, we might prevent much needless suffering in the future."

Now, I'm going to cease and desist at this point because I don't want to get started and have to interrupt myself for a commercial break with the passage from Bradford in his journal about the decision to scrap socialism, this common share business, and he turned everybody loose, and this new social experiment, forerunner to capitalism, is profoundly detailed in his journal, but I don't want to, as I say, interrupt myself in the process. So we'll get to that and the rest of the story after the commercial break. We are going to post the George Washington 1789 Thanksgiving proclamation at Rush Limbaugh.com, and I haven't decided yet, folks, but I might make the reading here of the first story of Christmas an MP 3 file so you can download it, and take it with you to Thanksgiving dinner, and if you start getting some grief from liberals, just say, "Here, I got something I want you to listen to and make them listen to it. Ask them as a favor on Thanksgiving."

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

Here now, in its entirety, the William Bradford journal, what he wrote about the social experiment after abandoning what essentially was socialism shortly after the Pilgrims had arrived in the United States or in the new world:

"'The experience that we had in this common course and condition, tried sundry years...that by taking away property, and bringing community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing – as if they were wiser than God,' Bradford wrote. 'For this community was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense...that was thought injustice.' Do you hear what he was saying, ladies and gentlemen? The Pilgrims found that people could not be expected to do their best work without incentive. So what did Bradford's community try next? They un-harnessed the power of good old free enterprise by invoking the undergirding capitalistic principle of private property. Every family was assigned its own plot of land to work and permitted to market its own crops and products.'"
Not just use themselves and not just send to a common store but they could market. They could grow as much, they could sell it for what they could get for it, and the incentive was clear to do as much as possible on both sides. "And what was the result? 'This had very good success,' wrote Bradford, 'for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.' Bradford doesn't sound like much of a Clintonite, does he? Is it possible that supply-side economics could have existed before the 1980s? Yes. Read the story of Joseph and Pharaoh in Genesis 41. Following Joseph's suggestion (Gen 41:34), Pharaoh reduced the tax on Egyptians to 20% during the 'seven years of plenty' and the 'Earth brought forth in heaps.' (Gen. 41:47) In no time, the Pilgrims found they had more food than they could eat themselves. So they set up trading posts and exchanged goods with the Indians. The profits allowed them to pay off their debts to the merchants in London. And the success and prosperity of the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans and began what came to be known as the 'Great Puritan Migration.' Now, let me ask you: Have you read this history before? Is this lesson being taught to your children today? If not, why not? Can you think of a more important lesson one could derive from the Pilgrim experience?


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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:28 AM
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1. Geez.
Why doesn't Rush just break into people's houses during Thanksgiving dinner and take a shit on their turkey?

He and O'Reilly singlehandedly ruin the best holidays of the year.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:30 AM
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3. He'd have to remove the stick from his ass first
I mean honestly, can these guys just let people enjoy themselves?
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:32 AM
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4. No
because it would remind them of how miserable and empty their own existences are.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:32 AM
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5. that almost makes me depressed
:)
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 08:29 AM
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2. back on the pills again I see
I can only imagine that "White Rabbit" was the song playing that cued him in back from his break.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:06 AM
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6. The Thomas Hooker reference on the Rush thing is hilarious.
From the beginning, Myles Standish was the military leader of Plymouth Colony. He organized and led the first party to set foot in New England, an exploratory expedition of Cape Cod upon arrival in Provincetown Harbor. On the third expedition, which he also led, Standish fired the first recorded shot by the Pilgrim settlers, in an event known as the First Encounter. When they finally arrived at Plymouth, it was Standish, with training in military engineering from the University of Leiden, who decided the defensive layout of the settlement. Standish also organized the able-bodied men into military orders in February of the first winter. During the second winter, he helped design and organize the construction of a large palisade wall surrounding the settlement. Standish would lead two early military raids on Indian villages: the unsuccessful raid to find and punish Corbitant for his attempted coup; and the brutal massacre at Wessagussett called "Standish's raid". The former had the desired effect of gaining the respect of the local Indians, the latter only served to frighten and scatter them, resulting in loss of trade and income.<48>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Colony#Myles_Standish





In 1636, Thomas Hooker led 100 of his congregation west to found the new English settlement at Hartford, Connecticut. One of the reasons he left Massachusetts was his failure to agree with John Winthrop about who should take part in civil government. Winthrop held that only admitted members of the Church should vote and hold office; Hooker maintained that any adult male who owned property should be able to vote and participate in civil government, regardless of church membership.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hooker
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:26 AM
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7. As twisted as one would expect from the ol' Limpballs
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 09:55 AM
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8. Rush also bullshits about being the first to tell this story
I heard it almost word-for-word about 1985 at a public speech by a religious bigot name Billy Bernard Britt.
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johngay Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:13 PM
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20. Rush also bullshits about being the first to tell this story
Actually it was written long before that by Rush's Grandfather.
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:23 AM
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9. The puritan separatists wanted freedom FROM things like Christmas...
They believed there was no biblical basis for Christmas. I'm sure they would view Thanksgiving the same way...

They got their freedom and then proceeded to murder any others who came to the new world seeking freedom.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 10:37 AM
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10. and as noted above Hooker split from Roger Williams
because Hooker was so adamant about there NOT being a religous test for government positions.

The really funny part is how this is supposed to be about the great triumph of the capitalist model when in fact the Plymouth Colony BROKE THE CONTRACT with the investors and ultimately failed as a going concern. Of course Myles Standish's raid was also a financial disaster but I am sure that especially now the linking of overly agressive military actions and their harmful results is to be avoided like well like the plague.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 11:46 AM
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11. No surprise that Rush omits a few things from the account.
Edited on Mon Nov-19-07 12:02 PM by mcscajun
A few quotes from Bradford's journals (which I have edited some of the antique spellings for easier reading):

(Criticism) 5. All men are not of one condition. (Answer) A. If by condition you mean wealth, you are mistaken; if you mean by condition, qualities, then I say he that is not content his neighbor shall have as good a house, fare, means, etc. as him self, is not of good quality.

Not entirely apropos his article, but I thought it a telling point nonetheless.

Squanto continued with them, and was their interpreter, and was a special instrument sent of God for their good beyond their expectation. He directed them how to set their corn, where to take fish, and to procure other commodities, and was also their pilot to bring them to unknown places for their profit, and never left them till he died. Afterwards they (as many as were able) began to plant their corn, in which service Squanto stood them in great stead, showing them both ye manner how to set it, and after how to dress & tend it. Also he told them except they got fish & set with it (fish placed with the corn seed as fertilizer) (in these old grounds) it would come to nothing....and he showed them...where to get other provisions necessary for them; all which they found true by trial & experience. Some English seed they sew, as wheat & peas, but it came not to good, either by ye badness of ye seed, or lateness of ye season, or both, or some other defect.

Wouldn't have starved without the "Indians", eh?

Shortly after William Bradford was chosen Governor...May 12. was ye first marriage in this place, which, according to ye laudable custom of ye Low-Countries, in which they had lived, was thought most requisite to be performed by the magistrate, as being a civil thing, upon which many questions about inheritances do depend, with other things most proper to their cognizance, and most consonant to ye scriptures, Ruth* and no where found in ye gospel to be laid on ye ministers as a part of their office. "This decree or law about marriage was published by ye States of ye Low-Countries Ano: 1590. That those of any religion, after lawful and open publication, coming before ye magistrates, in ye Town or Stat-house, were to be orderly (by them) married one to another." Petets Hist. fol: 1029. And this practice hath continued among, not only them, but hath been followed by all ye famous churches of Christ in these parts to this time, -- Ano: 1646.

Civil marriages a 'laudable custom'. No further comment required. :D
Now, as to the matter of corn and land, he left out something extremely significant in the telling of his "real story":


All this while no supply (ship) was heard of, neither knew they when they might expect any. So they began to think how they might raise as much corn as they could, and obtain a better crop then they had done, that they might not still thus languish in misery. At length, after much debate of things, the Governor (with ye advise of ye chiefest among them) gave way that they should set corn every man for his own particular, and in that regard trust to them selves; in all other things to go on in ye general way as before. And so assigned to every family a parcel of land, according to the proportion of their number for that end, only for present use (but made no devision for inheritance), and ranged all boys & youth under some family. This had very good success; for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted then other wise would have been by any means ye Governor or any other could use, and saved him a great deal of trouble, and gave far better content. The women now went willingly into ye field, and took their little ones with them to set corn, which before would allege weakness, and inability; whom to have compelled would have been thought great tyranny and oppression.

No inheritance but the use only of the land. All other things to be held/done in common as before.

*reference unclear; perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Ruth ?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:16 PM
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13. Great post
Maybe if I sent it to him he would read it on the air O8)
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:35 PM
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14. Thank you.
I'm sure he'd sooner choke. :evilgrin:
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:16 PM
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12. with talent on loan from god....
why doesn't some techno-guru patch into the white trash am radio frequencies on thanksgiving and broadcast a loop of arlo's "alice's restaurant" during the rush limbaugh show, so rush listeners can get a dose of reality for once in their lives.
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ConservativeDem Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 04:43 PM
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15. Miss Quotes
Now this isn't because I agree with Mr. Limbaugh about everything, but when you miss quote him like Media Matters and the far left and talk bad about those miss quotes, I feel like you make yourself look bad, so here is the parts left out--

--First part left out--

"But this was no pleasure cruise, friends. The journey to the New World was a long and arduous one. And when the Pilgrims landed in New England in November, they found, according to Bradford's detailed journal, a cold, barren, desolate wilderness," destined to become the home of the Kennedy family. "There were no friends to greet them, he wrote. There were no houses to shelter them. There were no inns where they could refresh themselves. And the sacrifice they had made for freedom was just beginning.
During the first winter, half the Pilgrims – including Bradford's own wife – died of either starvation, sickness or exposure.
"When spring finally came, Indians taught the settlers how to plant corn, fish for cod and skin beavers for coats." Yes, it was Indians that taught the white man how to skin beasts. "Life improved for the Pilgrims, but they did not yet prosper! This is important to understand because this is where modern American history lessons often end. "Thanksgiving is actually explained in some textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the Indians for saving their lives, rather than as a devout expression of gratitude grounded in the tradition of both the Old and New Testaments.
Here is the part that has been omitted: The original contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store, and each member of the community was entitled to one common share.

--And the second at the very ending--

Now, other than on this program every year, have you heard this story before? Is this lesson being taught to your kids today -- and if it isn't, why not? Can you think of a more important lesson one could derive from the pilgrim experience?
So in essence there was, thanks to the Indians, because they taught us how to skin beavers and how to plant corn when we arrived, but the real Thanksgiving was thanking the Lord for guidance and plenty -- and once they reformed their system and got rid of the communal bottle and started what was essentially free market capitalism, they produced more than they could possibly consume, and they invited the Indians to dinner, and voila, we got Thanksgiving, and that's what it was: inviting the Indians to dinner and giving thanks for all the plenty is the true story of Thanksgiving.
The last two-thirds of this story simply are not told.
Now, I was just talking about the plenty of this country and how I'm awed by it. You can go to places where there are famines, and we usually get the story, "Well, look it, there are deserts, well, look it, Africa, I mean there's no water and nothing but sand and so forth."
It's not the answer, folks. Those people don't have a prayer because they have no incentive. They live under tyrannical dictatorships and governments.
The problem with the world is not too few resources. The problem with the world is an insufficient distribution of capitalism.




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winston61 Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:50 PM
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16. I don't think I've ever met 'Miss Quotes'-
can you arrange an introduction?
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winston61 Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 11:02 PM
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17. And now for another slightly more reality based view point
http://www.star-telegram.com/245/story/308852.html

You may have to cut and paste this link to get to the article. Or you can google Robert Jensen thanksgiving. As usual Rush would prefer to tell lie.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:50 AM
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18. there are a lot of far right sites for ignorance
I suggest you join them
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:10 AM
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19. Happy Thanksgiving
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 10:10 AM by underpants
:hi:

Football game cancelled this year. Ass kicking to take its place :bounce:
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ConservativeDem Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:52 PM
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21. Not read much?
This was not writing that had any of my opinions, they were Mr. Limbaughs. Also I meerly pointed out the fact that someone miss quoted him and I felt that was unjust. After I had proved the wrong and faulty message I was then attacked inmaturly by a far left extremist. These people are hurting the democrat party and also America, the best but receding country
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