. . .We see it
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/pat_k/14">all the time.
I'm with you on the potential level of support, but we've been way past the need for "investigations" for years.
There is no cover up to uncover. Sure, there are crimes yet to be discovered, but torture is more than enough. Bushncheney openly & proudly tell us they torture. They have done it in executive orders. They have done it in signing statements. They have done it in public forums. They have repeatedly put forth their indefensible "defense." They make the intolerable and blanket claim that the Office of the President can violate any law as long as they claim the violation is necessary to protect us. They are saying "Americans have forbidden the acts in law, but U.S. Code is trumped by Presidential edict." They make the absurd claim that torture (e.g., waterboarding) can't be torture because the torturers do not specifically intend to main or kill.
All that remains is to reject their acts and claims. There nothing to "debate." It's long past time accuse and say "Are we with the torturers or against them?" A single charge of torture is enough to force Members to declare themselves on behalf of the American people. Even if there actually were a lack of public support, there may be too few Members willing to go on the record for dictatorial power and torture to save bush and cheney's asses. Success is not just possible, it could be probable if the choice is boiled down to the essense.
The American people are way ahead of Washington. Even people who aren't particularly engaged "get it" far better than many advocates give them credit for. They may not know the details, but they don't need to. The horrors of this administration are "in the air." The assumption that Bush and Cheney do that which we have forbidden is behind the snickers of talking heads. Rendition and torture has made it to the Today show. The assumption that Bush and Cheney are torturing has become fodder for jokes on Leno and Letterman. Since Congress refuses to give the people a way confront and deal with the horrible truth, comedians have stepped in to provide an outlet.
Because no one with real clout/visibility is calling for impeachment (sorry Dennis, we're delighted that you spoke out at the debate, but you don't have enough visibility or clout) it's tough to gauge how many people who would love to see bushncheney removed have been silenced.
Having nobody out there voicing your anger is bad enough, but the establishment isn't just keeping mum, the constant drum beat -- "terrible idea," "impossible," "futile" -- isn't just silencing people, it is persuading them that their desire to impeach is misguided.
None of the few polls that have been done are particularly useful. The only question that comes close to revealing "the silenced" is Newsweek's "At this point in time, do you personally wish that George W. Bush's presidency was over, or don't you feel this way?" from their
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2753090">Jan 27, 2007 poll. In that one, 58% said they want it "over now."
And that number has undoubtedly grown since January as the Dems prove what we always knew, that there is no "getting things done" or "stopping the war" under rule by signing statement.
The "no public support" meme emanating from DC is particularly bizarre because they are getting hammered on it. There is so "little" support that "At the offices of the Pew Research Center in Washington, Scott Keeter’s in box gets jammed up every so often with hundreds of e-mails asking him to poll on impeachment." and "Pew and other pollsters say they have never seen anything like it." (
http://www.democrats.com/why-pew-refuses-to-poll-on-impeachment">link)
There is so "little" support that people like Barney Frank feel the need to "
http://www.sfgate.com/flat/archive/2007/10/12/chronicle/archive/2007/10/12/MNKESOESB.html">lash out" because they are so troubled by "people on the left who are insisting on impeachment."
Since taking control, Dems have been getting a steady, and growing, volume of calls on impeachment. They get hit in town meetings. Their impeachophobia blinds them. They write off what they are seeing. They tell themselves "it's just those people on the left."
If someone with the power to actually get impeachment off the ground demanded it, we could see support for impeachment go to 70% overnight. The pent up outrage is out there. Simply opening an outlet could be all that is required. "Making the case" might gain a few more points, but I think we are way past that.