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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 09:45 PM
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The Decline in Literacy
The country just keeps on going to the dogs, but fortunately it never seems to quite get there.

Perhaps the ancient Romans grumbled about the declining standards in literacy among the young. And the Greeks, as well. And everyone before them, back to the dawn of writing. Of course, the further back you go, the smaller the part of the population the question would apply to, but I bet people grumbled about the declining standards of literacy within that social group.

Ah, but it's worse now! Young people today, they don't know how to write a proper sentence. And they spell funetickly. And their music - ! Oops, sorry, that's a different rant.

I don't say such things myself, despite being very much, er, not-young, and I find myself snapping at other not-youngsters who do say such things. The kids are al(l )right, I tell them. Why, I say, I remember that when I was a lad, most of my acquaintances couldn't write worth a damn. I'm not convinced that the percentage of serious, intelligent young people who can speak and write well is any smaller now than it was then. Let's face it: Most people, in every generation, don't give a damn about proper English usage, and most of them have always thought that the minority of us who do care are creepy weirdos.

But let's assume, for the sake of argument, that literacy really is declining and that communication in our society is suddenly and rapidly becoming based on video and sound and funetickly spelled, icon-filled text messaging, :). All that really means is that we're returning to our natural social and intellectual roots.

Reading and writing are fairly recent innovations in human history, and their widespread use is much more recent. Surely there were always people who enjoyed them for their own sake, but their adoption was due mostly to necessity - a way of compiling, communicating, and storing lists and laws and contracts and royal orders. Verbal communication and storage by means of memorization became impractical once societies grew past a certain size, geographic extent, and degree of social organization. But now, thanks to technology, those old ways are once again practical even in a highly complex society spread across the surface of the world.

Marshall McLuhan talked about the global village and the ways in which the medium changed the nature of the message. We've pretty much reached the global village part. I'm not convinced that the medium is the message. Rather, I think that the old message has reemerged, not so much changed by the nature of the (new) media but enriched by it. We're moving back to being a village in which people communicate not with the writing and reading most of them always secretly, or not so secretly, hated, but instead with sight and sound, spoken words and playacting. It's enriched, for example, because instead of drawing a scene on a cave wall to show others, you can take a picture of it with your cell phone camera and send it to your zillion online friends electronically.

I do hope that great numbers of us creepy weirdos who love writing and reading hang around, though. And even though the kids are al(l )right, their music still sucks.
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 11:03 PM
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1. great post, DavidD!
but we have technology- with spell check and all- so how come we still read newspaper articles with misspelled words in them?

Now, granted for some people, it is always a struggle. I think that there is a direct correlation between avid reading and great spelling.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-30-07 11:49 PM
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2. Oh, yes, I'm sure you're right about that
Edited on Mon Jul-30-07 11:50 PM by DavidD
Avid readers tend to be better spellers. And have larger vocabularies, surely.

The misspelled words in newspapers bother me a lot. Misused words bother me even more. In print reporting and on TV news I see/hear "lay" and "lie" being confused. Those are people who should know better, it seems to me -- but obviously I'm wrong.

And thanks for saying it's a great post. :)
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 01:51 AM
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3. eevin tho i culdint reed dis i k end r'd it
:)
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AmyDeLune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 02:31 AM
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4. I find it disheartening, to say the least, when adults can't comprehend
alphabetical order. I work in a bookstore, I've often wanted to ask, "If you can't read why are you here?!?"
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 07:31 AM
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5. "Isn't this where you bet on horses?"
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 11:05 AM
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6. Four recommendations! That's a nice surprise.
I never thought there'd be any. But now my ambitions are vaulting! I want more, I tell you, more!

Is it legitimate to solicit for more, or is that considered crude, demeaning, disgusting, and detestable?
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Daveparts Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 11:14 AM
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7. Thats Why our President inquired
Is our children Learning? The decline in teaching classic literature in favor of modern text. Graduating High school students who have no idea of the sword of Damocles or Medusa or who Atlas was or even Shakespeare.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 11:54 AM
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8. Wait a minute. I know the last one.
Didn't he write a Broadway musical that was made into a movie that had dancing juvenile delinquents named Jets and Sharks?

Well, that dates me! Today's kids probably wouldn't get that reference at all.
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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 01:58 PM
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9. Cautiously Agree With You
It really galls me when I read/hear what I know to be incorrect from the media. Time out of mind, they were expected, nay, REQUIRED to be literate. Read what Gore Vidal has to say about entropy before you decide whether the communications r/evolution is necessarily a good thing for mankind.

The reason a college degree is so vital to career success is that it now takes 16 years of schooling for young people to approach the functional equivalent of a C-average sophomore from 30 years ago. And half of those graduates still can't spell, construct a sentence, or do math without a calculator. At minimum, "free" education has already been consumed, digested and excreted by those ol' canines.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 02:08 PM
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10. I'm a bit cautious about comparing modern students to past ones
I've seen those tests from the 19th Century, what kids were expected to know, and I'm as astonished as anyone else -- not to mention embarrassed by how poorly I'd do on those.

In those areas, those kids certainly knew far more than today's. But not only has the body of knowledge grown, it's also shifted a great deal. Today's kids, and adults, know less about certain subjects than their predecessors but far more about others, including subjects that didn't exist in the past. I read once that, in the Middle Ages, an educated man was expected to know how to use an astrolabe. How many educated men today know that? How many need to? I learned in high school to use a slide rule. Today's kids, the lazy rotters, use calculators, or the calculator function in their PDAs or cell phones. Shocking. But they're both faster and a lot more accurate than I was. And they don't have to carry a slide rule, the Indelible Mark of the Geek, around with them.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 01:00 AM
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11. oyu donut! no wut yur tawging bout
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