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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:16 PM
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Kerry's Regrets About John Edwards
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1626498-1,00.html

by Robert Shrum

After a day of filming at Edwards's summer home on Figure Eight Island in the Outer Banks, we went out to dinner. Afterward, while Elizabeth drove the car home, John and I headed back on his boat; as the darkness closed in, we got lost in the tall grasses of the shallow waterways. He finally found the channel; and back in his living room, we talked about the likelihood of war in Iraq. Edwards said no one had yet made the case to him.

That fall, as a vote loomed on the resolution giving Bush authority to go to war, Edwards convened a circle of advisers in his family room in Washington to discuss his decision. He was skeptical, even exercised about the idea of voting yes. Elizabeth was a forceful no. She didn't trust anything the Bush administration was saying. But the consensus view from both the foreign policy experts and the political operatives was that even though Edwards was on the Intelligence Committee, he was too junior in the Senate; he didn't have the credibility to vote against the resolution. To my continuing regret, I said he had to be for it. As I listened to this, I watched Edwards's face; he didn't like where he was being pushed to go. The process violated a principle I'd learned long before—candidates have to trust their own deeply felt instincts. It's the best way to live with defeat if it comes, and probably the best way to win.

The meeting we held in the Edwardses' family room did him a disservice; of course, he was the candidate and if he really was against the war, it was up to him to stand his ground. He didn't. If he had, it almost certainly would have been Edwards and not Dean who emerged early on as the antiwar candidate. But Edwards didn't want to look "liberal" and out of the mainstream; he was, after all, the southern candidate and thought of himself as Clintonesque. He valued the advice and prized the support of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council. I had my own concerns: If he took the antiwar route, I knew I would have been characterized as a malign force moving him to the left—which wasn't true, although I wish it had been given that I now regard the Iraq invasion as one of the great mistakes in the history of U.S. foreign policy.

Kerry had asked Jim Johnson to head up the vice-presidential search. Jim, my friend stretching back to the 1972 campaign, was one of Washington's best connected "wise men"—at times successively, and at times simultaneously, not only chairman of the giant mortgage company Fannie Mae, but of the Kennedy Center and the Brookings Institution; he had been Gore's chief debate negotiator in 2000, and was a likely treasury secretary or White House chief of staff in a Kerry administration. The candidate was obsessed with keeping the veep process closely held to prevent the speculation and leaks that had embarrassed him when he was on Gore's final list in 2000. This worked—until the last hour.

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:54 PM
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1. Itel Committee member Edwards polled his wife and friends about the IWR??
Did he tell them all he knew, so they could give him informed advice? Or was he just seeing which way the wind was blowing?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 06:21 AM
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13. This is not a very believable story
Edwards was not someone whose speech sounded like he could have gone either way - seeing reasons to do each. He was a co-sponsor, wrote a column so positive Bush used it, and spoke positively about it for the rest of 2003.

The comment that he was "too young" on the committee to vote against it is strange - the Chairman of the committee voted against it. Young, junior Edwards could have allied himself with the Chair of the committee and made an empassioned speech on being pushed to war.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 02:05 PM
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2. "She didn't trust anything the Bush administration was saying"
She's a wise woman.
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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 02:11 PM
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3. Trust your gut
Anybody who listens to bob shrum's advice over Elizabeth Edwards is about to learn a big lesson. I don't believe that lesson need be learned again and that's why Edwards made such a big deal about his "mistake" Iraq vote.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 02:11 PM
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4. Creepy.
The story about Edwards telling Kerry the same secret about his son twice is disturbing. IF true.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 02:20 PM
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5. So Shrum gives advice based on what it will make HIM look like?
'I had my own concerns: If he took the antiwar route, I knew I would have been characterized as a malign force..."

I hope Edwards runs as far in the other direction from Shrum & his ilk as possible. How these people still are given any credence I'll never understand. And publications like Time still give them the microphone. Sleazebuckets, all.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 02:23 PM
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6. my displeasure with Shrum multiplied exponentially
after reading this. Displeasure is of course the kindest word I could come up with...
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 02:27 PM
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7. So is Shrum resigning from serving as a campaign consultant? He should be called an albatross
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 02:53 PM
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8. One thing is abundantly clear.
If one exposes oneself to Shrum, one risks eventually being stabbed in the back by him.

I'm no big Edwards fan, but Shrum has basically written a hit piece on him with this.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 06:24 AM
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14. The good news is that neither story is all that believable
and cast him as a confidant to the Senators.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 05:30 PM
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9. Bizarre article, because I remember SENATOR BOB GRAHAM (FL) rumored as Kerry's second choice
I even remember seeing campaing material and a plane painted w Kerry/Graham. Yet shrum makes no mention of Graham.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 06:23 PM
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10. That was Gephardt
Kerry/Gephardt - people were horrified at the thought. Gephardt and the Rose Garden, I'm afraid that ticket would have been a non-starter, unless he renounced that immediately and supported a full-on anti-war platform. Kerry probably should have picked Clark, and it's funny I don't even see the name mentioned. Although he had the whole WWIII problem too. I don't know, water under the bridge and Shrum has got a big friggin' mouth.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 07:09 PM
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11. In the spirit of accuracy,
"Figure Eight Island" isn't on the Outer Banks of North Carolina.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 09:56 PM
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12. Kerry may regret the choice...
or he may not..I really don't know. And I've heard about some tensions between Kerry and Edwards. But I won't take Bob Shrum's word for anything.
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