Tin-foil hat time: Were Bush and Rove "The Producers" of an intentional flop?

[LynneSin]

I hate to say it but sometimes I wonder the same exact thing :scared:

http://www.attytood.com/2006/11/tinfoil_hat_time_were_bush_and_1.html

Tin-foil hat time: Were Bush and Rove "The Producers" of an intentional flop?

Maybe it's just because the Democrats actually won something, but for the last few days, something has just not felt quite right about either Tuesday's election, or the White House's handling of the voting and the aftermath. We have no doubts that a majority of American voters wanted change on Election Day, and they wanted the Democrats to be the agent of that change.

But we've also followed politics -- and the rise of George W. Bush and Karl Rove -- intensely these past six or seven years, and so beginning on Tuesday night, we were increasingly surprised at all the dogs that did not bark in the 2006 election -- dogs that raised quite a ruckus in the last three national elections.

The exit polls that leaked out in the late afternoon ended up matching the final results almost exactly -- nothing like what happened in those other Bush-era elections. The razor-close races all broke late for the Democrats, unlike Florida in 2000 or Ohio in 2004...and when that happened, there were no major charges of fraud, no "Brooks Brothers Riot," and no demand for a recount. The last two losers -- Conrad Burns of Montana and George Allen of Virginia -- went quietly into the autumn night, despite relatively close vote tallies. There appear to be no other Rovian stunts, like calling in the GOP's chits with Joe Lieberman to get him to caucus with the Senate Republicans. And there was no October surprise, not in Iran and not back home.

And we thought most of these things before Bush's makes-no-sense-at-all handling of the Rumsfeld matter. We don't think a pre-election firing of Rumsfeld would have changed many voters' mind, but what if had changed just 1 percent. Burns and Allen (heh) would be returning to the Senate, and the GOP would at least control one house. Likewise, a lot of nailbiters like Rep.-elect Patrick Murphy's win in Bucks County would have gone the other way if Rumsfeld had been canned a week sooner.

[CJCRANE]

1. It was LIHOP!

Ironically, B*sh's legacy may be in much safer hands with the Democrats. Hopefully, they'll clean up some of his mess and get things done competently in these next two years.

[whistle]

2. No, although Rove would like everyone to think that's what has happened

[bullimiami]

3. no, i dont think so. The first rule of bushco is : always do what you want.

the second rule is : spin everything to sound like something the people want.

i think hubris got bigger than the propaganda could cope with finally.

here is an example of bush rules.
1) were going to invade iraq. we hate saddam, we want a base in the middle east, they have lots of oil and they are weak.
2) well tell the public they have wmd and are dangerous, they are connected to 9/11, they harbor al-qaida, saddam was evil, we are doing it for them because we love democracy ....

[madrchsod]

10. the old man and his crew did not want an invasion of iraq.

cheney , rumsfeld, and the rest of the neocons found someone dumb enough to invade iraq..everyone involved in the first gulf war was dead set against going to baghdad but george "found" the perfect way to get back at his dad and he failed again.

[HaggardsMethDealer]

4. I had the same suspicions before the elections...

It just seemed like they weren't trying. There were no dirty tricks that made my jaw drop (just the usual slime) and it seemed like they didn't really care.

Maybe they wanted to pin Iraq with the Democrats because they know it is FUBAR....who knows. Either way, they were still going to pin Iraq failing on the Democrats. Being in the majority hasn't stopped them for blaming liberals for everything that happens in Washington....so, who knows. I think that they were facing the "Perfect Storm" and it was just a tsunami of press....plus, the Democrats had some nice tricks up their sleeve with the Foley and Haggard scandals....don't forget that Haggard's little prositute boy timed his release of that info for maximum political effect.

I think Rove was too busy defending himself from being imprisoned by Fitzgerald that he totally lost track of what was happening. Plus, if you look at his weight....he lost a lot of weight during the course of the investigation and all of the meetings with the grand jury. I think it took a toll on him and he didn't have his head in the game.

I guess the more I think about it, the more I think that they got their asses handed to them...but I still have suspicions. Im torn on this.

[splat]

5. Lose the Congress and keep the Presidency in '08?

I've wondered about that, too. Maybe they think they'd lose in '08 just because it would be time for a change from one-party government. They'd rather keep the presidency and be able to spread the blame.

[mzteris]

12. exactly what I've been thinking....

I'm glad I'm not the only one who's :tinfoilhat:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

6. I think a "deliberate loss" is not in their vernacular.

Their spin could no longe compete with reality.

MKJ

[madrchsod]

7. jr and karl became bad for business

and they had to go.the outfit will weather the next two years of investigations and in 2008 they find a moderate republican to run against a moderate democrat.they figure as long as their clients in the middle east are happy, who ever is in the whitehouse will make no difference.

[yurbud]

19. yep--wealthy and business unterests have turned on them making rigging

and too obvious harrassment, purges and the like unwise.

[AlinPA]

8. I'm thinking it is the beginning of a trend toward progressive thinking in the

U.S. The war and the ugly arrogance of the R's and their vicious hateful religious zealots has caused America to reject them and begin to move toward a reasonable direction. We must work to get more House and Sewnate seats at the federal and state level.

[marmar]

9. Interesting theory....

:think:

[mcg]

11. Interview with Rove reveals his 50-State Loser strategy...

EXCLUSIVE to DU: "Dems FAIL to Lose Election"
A Post-Election Interview with Karl Rove
Reporter: Nancy Greggs

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2957473

"Usually a shy and humble man, GOP political strategist Karl Rove couldn’t conceal his delight last Tuesday night as he watched his party go down by inches, finally drowning in a sea of utter defeat.
Told repeatedly by politico insiders that his master plan for across-the-board losses would never work, Rove’s 50-State Loser strategy proved to be even more successful than anyone dared hope. ..."

[ThoughtCriminal]

13. There was one big similarity to "The Producers"

"Springtime, for Hilter, is in the Air!"

[NVMojo]

14. yeah, they rigged the machines and were off OR they let us have a bone

and they will take it back in 08 after they reorganize the GOP and then they'll steal the power back.

[bobbie]

15. Very possibly. They figure Dem voters will let their guard down,

Cancel the red alert prior to Jeb's installation in 2008.

So we have to get rid of the cheating machines before then. Has Pelosi mentioned Diebold et al???

[Porcupine]

16. We got the waste pile on trajectory for the wind turbine

and they damn well know it. We've got lots of this....

headed for



Shit about to hit the fan includes:
Losing Iraq
Losing Afghanistan
Peak Oil
Climate Change, GM bankrupt, Ford bankrupt,health care crisis, housing bubble pops, and trade imbalance.

And nobody has a damn clue as to how to fix any of these without spending trillions of dollars that we just don't have.

Supposing the GOP actually stole 2000, 2002, and 2004 and the evidence is that they did then they need to lie low for an election so that all their machines don't get pulled. They also need somebody to blame when shit goes wrong.

For the next two years every morning we are going to hear "The do-nothing, Democratic Congress refuses to deal with today's crisis." Count on it. Then they'll go back to stealing elections.

[TheBaldyMan]

17. They did steal a lot of seats that should be Dem by rights...

they tried their damnedest to keep power, observe their behaviour in the next two years as the subpoenas fly and political careers die. They would prefer a Republican Congress.

They would have had complete immunity up to '08 if the Republicans had been in charge.

Check every exit poll and every reported result and tell me they haven't stolen seats. It should have been a tsunami. A 2/3 majority tsunami.

[rodeodance]

18. I will done my tin foil hat and just accept the SWEET win.

[Lasthorseman]

20. A win or a hollow victory

Any change first off must been seen a a great thing, but only days after I get this email from Nancy Pelosi thanking my for my support. It's also outlining points for the agenda.
* To make our country safer by implementing the 9/11 commission recommendations
* To make our economy fairer
* To make college and health care more affordable
* To move toward energy independence
* To guarantee a dignified retirement
* To do this in a fiscally sound way with civility, integrity, and bipartisanship.
Make our country safer by implementing the 911 commission? What, the whitewash commission?
Are we or are we not totally sick of this terra, terra, terra nonsense?