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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:16 AM
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The fallout from Cheney's performance on last Sunday's MTP accelerates
Edited on Wed Sep-17-03 09:51 AM by gristy
This editorial in today's Minneapolis Star Tribune is hard-hitting and long - it fills 2 full columns on their editorial page. That newspaper's editorials are normally 1/3 to 1/2 as long.

Minneapolis Star Tribune Editorial: Truth - Too little of it on Iraq
Dick Cheney is not a public relations man for the Bush administration, not a spinmeister nor a political operative. He's the vice president of the United States, and when he speaks in public, which he rarely does, he owes the American public the truth.

In his appearance on "Meet the Press" Sunday, Cheney fell woefully short of truth. On the subject of Iraq, the same can be said for President Bush, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz. But Cheney is the latest example of administration mendacity, and therefore a good place to start in holding the administration accountable. The list:

- Cheney repeated the mantra that the nation ignored the terrorism threat before Sept. 11. In fact, President Bill Clinton and his counterterrorism chief, Richard Clarke, took the threat very seriously, especially after the bombing of the USS Cole in October 2000. By December, Clarke had prepared plans for a military operation to attack Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, go after terrorist financing and work with police officials around the world to take down the terrorist network.
<snip>
- Cheney said that "we don't know" if there is a connection between Iraq and the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States. He's right only in the sense that "we don't know" if the sun will come up tomorrow. But all the evidence available says it will -- and that Iraq was not involved in Sept. 11.
<snip>
- In trying to make that link, Cheney baldly asserted that Iraq is the "geographic base" for those who struck the United States on Sept. 11. No, that would be Afghanistan.

Sacramento Bee Editorial: Cheney's 69% solution; Iraq-terrorist links live on in his mind
Vice President Dick Cheney emerged from an undisclosed location the other day for a rare interview on NBC's "Meet the Press." The main topic was U.S. policy in Iraq, which the vice president defended.

But Cheney's real aim seemed to be more narrow. Fourteen months before the next election, he sought to reassure Americans, 69 percent of whom, according to a recent opinion poll, believe the previous Iraqi regime had something to do with the 9/11 attacks, that they were right.

Among other things, Cheney resurrected a previous claim about an alleged meeting in Prague between an Iraqi intelligence operative and 9/11 chief hijacker Mohamed Atta. Never mind that evidence shows Atta was in Virginia on the day in question, that the Iraqi agent -- now in custody -- says the meeting never happened and that U.S. and other intelligence agencies say they found no evidence the meeting took place.

Boston Globe Editorial: Cheney's misspeaking streak
Three years later, the stealth grandfather is the hired gun. His harm to America's integrity is now incalculable.

On "Meet the Press" last Sunday, Cheney claimed that the White House has "learned more and more that there was a relationship" between Iraq and Al Qaeda, the terrorist network responsible for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. One of his pieces of "evidence" was the old report of a meeting in Prague in early 2001 between Mohamed Atta, one of the Sept. 11 airplane hijackers, and what Cheney described as "a senior Iraqi intelligence official."

The Czech government began backing away from the claim almost as soon as it was made. American and British intelligence agencies never found any hard evidence of a meeting. The claim became a dubious if not a dead issue in intelligence circles more than a year ago. The more likely possibility, according to intelligence records, was that Atta was in Virginia Beach, casing naval facilities.


Cornell Daily Sun Editorial: Bush Brings No Huddle Defense
Still, it was particularly unsettling to hear the man who loudly predicted that the Iraq military effort would take "weeks, not months" spend most of his interview with Tim Russert refusing to give substantive answers. Cheney didn't exactly address many of Russert's concerns.

For instance, Russert asked if there was a connection between Saddam Hussein and Sept. 11. "We don't know." Is there a link between the Saudis and Sept. 11? "I don't want to speculate on that." Some say 140 Saudis left the U.S. the day after the attacks. "I don't know." We have way more troops in Iraq now than you predicted. "We couldn't know precisely what would happen." How much monetary support might we get from other sources in this effort? "I don't have a final dollar figure." Will Bush ask for more than the $87 billion? "I can't say that." Why are Halliburton's contracts given without a bidding process (Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton before becoming VP)? "I have no idea."

on edit: fix a link
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:19 AM
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1. They are so arrogant - they are above the truth
they assumed they would get away with it.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:29 AM
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5. rightly so. apparently they are used to the truth not mattering
or the press not mentioning it.

what i think is that the american people and the major media outlets feel safer than a year ago and that they believe it is now safer to dissent with the conventional wisdom of foreign policy set forth by this administration.

the downside is that the busheviks know this and would prefer an environment where the american people are more frightened and thus less likely to question critically the president and his policies.

get ready for some more orange terrorist alerts.
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sventvkg Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:32 AM
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8. I'll bet he does get away with it..The press and the Dems don't seem
to do anything about it...The do nothing....When will we have a leader that will step up and call for investigations into the Bush administrations mishandling of the Terror and Iraq wars and the lies told to the American people? I'm waiting...Also, I think the real reason there is HUGE support for DEAN and excitment for Clark is because they seem to have the courage to call this Administration on their lies...There are exeptions obviously but the point is, I sincerely think that the American people are getting hip to the lies and really want a Dem candidated that is not intimidated by the GOP...I think they will vote BALLS, more then specifics...
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cjbuchanan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:22 AM
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2. And that was a fluff interview
Imagine what the reaction would have been if Russert treated Cheney the same way he treated Dean or Edwards.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:26 AM
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3. Is there a way this can be put in...
General Discussion? I think it's important to get a lot of feedback on this.
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:27 AM
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4. I Think It Started With Dimbo's 87 Billion Speech
...for a start and more next year. That started to get his hard-core supporters thinking and everything the GOP has spun so far has been examined and questioned.

They have to pull a rabbit out of their hat shortly and I sincerely doubt that any of ShrobCo has half the talent as Bullwinkle.

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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:30 AM
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6. The Boston Globe Editorial Page Has Been Going After BushCo Lately
which is great to see. They were falling in lock step with the rest of the country, but lately have had some scathing editorials directed at the administration, not to mention the LEtters to the Editor.
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Section_43 Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:31 AM
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7. kick
:kick:
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E_Zapata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:33 AM
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9. I think it would be great if we had like a 'congress' or something,
and had like 'committees' for like 'armed services' and maybe one on 'intelligence' - that sort of thing.

You know like a 'check/balance' system that could like 'ask questions that the executive office would have to answer.

Wouldn't that be cool? I would sure rest easier if I thought that the executive office like 'was forced to answer to someone'?

That would be a really cool system to have just to avoid a situation just like this -- where it doesn't seem that the exec office is being all that honest and forthcoming.

Just a wild and no doubt poorly thought out idea on my part - mea culpa.
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 11:27 AM
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17. Thats just crazy talk
dontcha know
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:34 AM
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10. Thanks for posting the snips and link
Posts like that are the one of the reason I like coming here. :)
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:41 AM
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13. You're welcome
I like to do the work once and make it easy for everyone else.
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:39 AM
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11. At least some news editorials are starting to get the message,
if only the public would catch on!
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wes_clark_for_pres Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:39 AM
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12. Russert is pathetic
any good stories/editorials/commentary out there about whether he is a journalist or a cheerleader?
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:43 AM
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15. He was certainly pathetic on Sunday
I commented a couple days ago that a sharp 8th grader could ask better follow-up questions than Russert did.
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E_Zapata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:43 AM
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14. The concl in the Mnpls editorial is enlightening:
Edited on Wed Sep-17-03 09:45 AM by E_Zapata
"To explore every phony statement in the vice president's "Meet the Press" interview would take far more space than is available. This merely points out some of the most egregious examples. Opponents of the war are fond of saying that "Bush lied and our soldiers died." In fact, they'd have reason to assert that "Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz lied and our soldiers died." It's past time the principals behind this mismanaged war were called to account for their deliberate misstatements.

For information supporting the points made in this editorial, go to http://hoster.startribune.com/nuke/html/index.php
and click on the 2cents logo in the third column. The top item on 2cents provides all the links."

Just look at these Links O' Lies!



Links for Strib Sept. 17 editorial on Dick Cheney
The Star Tribune's Sept. 17 editorial, which you can read here relied on a great many sources, including these:
The transcript of Cheney's appearance on "Meet the Press."

The Guardian.

The Washington Post

ABC News

The Washington Post

TAPPED, Web log of The American Prospect magazine

Also TAPPED.

Josh Marshall's Talking Points Memo

&c., Web log of The New Republic.

Liberal Oasis

Editor and Publisher

Bearflag.org

Boston Globe.

The Nation

Financial Times

Washington Times

Spinsanity

Zeke



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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 10:44 AM
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16. in the America we all used to beleive in
IN the America we believe we can be again, The whole BFEE would either be imprisoned or sent into exile permanently.
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