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floda Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:54 PM
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No need for aid, say marines
No need for aid, say marines
From correspondents in Fallujah
November 15, 2004

The US military says it sees no need for the Iraqi Red Crescent to deliver aid to people inside Fallujah, and does not think any Iraqi civilians are trapped inside the city.

"There is no need to bring (Red Crescent) supplies in because we have supplies of our own for the people," said US Marine Colonel Mike Shupp.

"Now that the bridge (into Fallujah) is open I will bring out casualties and all aid work can be done here (at Fallujah's hospital)."

He said he had not heard of any Iraqi civilians being trapped inside the city and did not think that was the case.

more...

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,1138937...
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:55 PM
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1. the dead can't vote
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:56 PM
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2. Its a war crime
I can't wait to se this fucker frog marched in handcuffs to a good court martial. Maybe a lethal injection may be waiting.
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The Sad Little Pony Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:15 PM
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32. Lethal injection?
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 07:16 PM by The Sad Little Pony

Let's make a list.
When we finally come to power, we'll have a purge.

Let's not be that which we condemn.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 04:47 PM
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The Sad Little Pony Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 05:52 PM
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49. R U?
Edited on Mon Nov-15-04 05:53 PM by The Sad Little Pony
Yes, I did go to Rutgers University.
No, I am not one of "them".

Is this what you normally do when people disagree?
Would you like to see my papers?

I simply disagree with the idea of rooting for State Sponsored "lethal injection".
But hey, to each his own.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:49 AM
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:56 PM
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3. What are they hiding???
scores of civilians dead...that don't need aid. This is revolting...where the hell is the outrage? Hello World??
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:57 PM
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4. the massive civilian casualties are far beyond the need
of aid. No humanitarian witnesses please. Thank you very much
. . .move along nothing to see.

See

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com

for reference. No those are not her words stated above.
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:58 PM
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5. oh really?
that's not what baghdad burning is telling us

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2004_11_01_riverbendb...

this just gets sicker and sicker by the day.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:59 PM
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6. keeping the eyes and ears of the world out of Fallujah....
Freedom is on the march there, and it isn't pretty.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:01 PM
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7. WHAT the hell???
This just gets worse and worse. First I read that as many as 100,000 Iraqis didn't get out of Fallujah or weren't able to get out.

Then I read about the bombs.

Then I read about how aid can't get to the civilians caught in the city with no running water, etc.

Now I read that the Marines say "no need, everything's fine here! Nothing to see, go on home with your aid stuff."

WTF?

Can I assume it's because there is no one left alive to give aid TO?

Everytime I think I can't get any sadder or more depressed or ashamed over this war, I find out I can.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:18 PM
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14. DEAD PEOPLE
tell no tales...
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:32 PM
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18. Going house to house to murder all the eyewitnesses?
Give the "troops" time to dispose of all their target practice in mass graves.

Oh right -- Support the Troops -- NOT!

Individuals who can prove that they didn't slaughter Iraqis -- but not the Troops as a group.

Support the Troops = support bush -- and I will never support that serial murderer bush.

The "troops" involved in this mass murder have crossed over the line -- when people become desensitized to the slaughter of other human beings they are no longer fit to live in a civilized world. These poor bastards need some time somewhere -- but not where they can come home beat their kids and wife and all the other hell that they will put their families though.

(I am not sure if America -- the red states and the bush supporters -- can be classified as "civilized"? I'm not forgetting the blue dots in the Red States and the red dots in the Blue states). I am not even sure what "civilized" means any more. My core values are being challenged with every news report I read coming out of Fulluja.

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beanball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:23 PM
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38. The behavior of the troops
I can't support that.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:12 AM
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54. No need, thirst will take care of any witnesses. n/t
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annak110 Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:13 PM
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20. I went out yesterday to protest with two of my friends...
My sign asked if this slaughter was an example of "Christian Morality"
One guy read the sign and clapped but that wasn't enough to pull me out of my deep sadness and depression and, like you I am ashamed.
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kitkatrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:13 PM
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30. Something is WRONG here!!!
:wow: Damn, I'm speechless. That seems to be happening more often lately. :cry:
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:27 AM
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56. I hear ya! To add insult to injury, consider the fact that all
this recent spate of "death and destruction" complements of our 2000lb bombing runs ... far too often kill civilians instead of the dastardly insurgents (amazingly all kin of Al Zarkowi<sp?) ...

Beyond all the horrors of war and the fact that, like the rest of the world, many of us Americans consider this both an illegal and immoral war ...

IT'S OUR (Americans') TAX DOLLARS AT WORK!!! :(

Screw the Fatherland and schools when we can have endless war and keep the populace in a paralyzed state of fear.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:01 PM
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8. The mass graves will be covered up in a jiffy n/t
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:12 PM
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11. The mass graves will be covered up in a jiffy......
and then we'll try to say they were "Saddam's mass graves."

I feel like vomiting.

Hello Americans! Wake up! These are human beings we are slaughtering for oil profits. How many pregnant women, children, babies, elderly are dead? You call yourself "pro-life" then get out there and protest.

Meanwhile Dickhead Cheney has a bad cold and he gets preferential treatment. I hope he and Bush rot in hell.
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intheozone Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:03 PM
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9. Let's hope some foreign countries
have their satelites and cameras focused on Fallujah!
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:08 PM
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10. Incredible
This moran is unbelievable. Didn't they appeal to the UN to get us to allow aid to reach civilians trapped in the city? Consistent reports of no food, no water, no medicine, coming from different sources, and this guy dismisses it, and says he doesn't believe it.

We are committing war crimes, and they think all they have to do is to just say that it isn't happening. We used to be a country who cared about killing, maiming, and starving innocent civilians, but I guess with * in charge, the only compassion this administration feel is for poor overtaxed multi- billionaires, because they sure don't have any to spare of anybody else.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:15 PM
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12. GRAPHIC PHOTO: "The littlest insurgent"


An Iraqi nurse treats 2-year-old child Mustafa Adnan, who lost a leg when his house in Falluja's Jolan district was shelled during fighting between U.S. forces and insurgents in the war-torn city November 14, 2004.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:56 PM
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19. I googled this but couldn't get a link. Do you have one?
I'd like to refer a few folks over there.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:54 PM
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26. Here is the url
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 06:54 PM by Bluebear
ttp://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20041114/i/r3139926328.jpg

add an h to the front of that url. Thanks for forwarding it, it speaks volumes. (If I put in the full url it just displays the pic again)
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:31 PM
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40. You can check the "format your message in plain text" box
If you do, it just comes out like this.

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20041114/i/r3139926328.jpg
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:15 PM
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13. yahoo link..needs rating
"There is no need to bring supplies in because we have supplies of our own for the people. Now that the bridge is open, I will bring out casualties and all aid work can be done here."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041...

You have given the news article U.S. Troops Hunt Falluja Rebels, Keep Aid Out a rating of 5.
Its current average rating is 3.62 with 369 vote(s).
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:19 PM
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15. And this is better than Saddam how?
Will the U.S. (and the puppet regime) still have the audacity to try him? What the hell was this war about?
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:27 PM
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16. hope they look at
one of those red state blue state maps when they retaliate
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:24 PM
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22. If that is the logic that retaliators ultimately use,
then look out if you live in Dallas.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:30 PM
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17. Allawi says NO civilian casualties...
snip>
He said on Saturday there had been no civilian casualties -- contradicting accounts from residents inside the city, where intense violence has halted medical services and made any independent assessment impossible.
...................

Another article today said an AP photographer witnessed the death of a family of 5. The Littlest Terrorists?
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celestia671 Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:15 PM
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21. Is Zarqawi even a real person?
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 06:18 PM by celestia671
They keep talking about this guy and linking him to every terrorist or insurgent act committed in Iraq. The writer of the blog mentions that it was thought that Zarqawi escaped from Fallujah, and wondered if they would have him in Mosul next. From what the guy writes, Mosul is in pretty bad shape too.

I hope the 50 million plus zombies who gave that fucktard and his henchmen another four years to finish flushing what's left of our reputation as a just and democratic nation down the toilet are happy with themselves and their moral values!
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__Inanna__ Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:36 PM
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24. The sad thing is
let's just suppose that even a third of the troops are against this war. It is conceivable. I can't believe ALL the troops have become brainwashed. My heart goes out to what must be a hell on earth -- for everyone concerned.

OTOH, for those troops who are inherently nutcases or have been brainwashed, I have mixed feelings. Let's face it, half of our damn country is brainwashed, and under far less stressful circumstances.

I fear what will come home after this experience.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:57 PM
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28. Troops all signed up. Iraqis didn't ask for any of this shit n/t
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:29 PM
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23. 2+2 doesn't equal four
If aid is not needed then why are we being asked to send care packages to our military? Something isn't right here. Care packages given to the people of Iraq and not our military? So there is plenty for the people or Iraq and not for our military? There is something wrong with this picture.
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alexisfree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:46 PM
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25. what he meant" Give us some time to clean up the dead kids and baby parts.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:57 PM
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27. You gotta realize, it was supposed to be done Thursday.
Then Saturday. Now it's going to be a while "cleaning up".
So that's what they don't want you to see, that fighting continues,
that nothing has been accomplished.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:09 PM
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29. I heard an estimated 50,000 people remained in the city, but I'm not
sure that number included insurgents, or if they lump them all together like ordinary Iraqis...

hmm..
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:15 PM
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31. Is Aljazeera a reliable news source?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:30 PM
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35. how about AP, are they reliable to you?
"These are pretty diehard. These people down there are not sniping or firing, but waiting in their defenses for the Marines coming to their buildings. That's when they open fire," Marine Colonel Mike Shupp told Reuters at the hospital.


Shupp said he had not heard of any Iraqi civilians being trapped inside the city and did not think there were any, so the Red Crescent did not need to deliver aid to civilians there.


"There is no need to bring supplies in because we have supplies of our own for the people. Now that the bridge is open, I will bring out casualties and all aid work can be done here."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=index&cid=586
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:21 PM
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33. At least gays can't get married in Fallujah. n/t
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:21 PM
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34. Yeah, we got your supplies...
Bombs, phosphorus, and mo bullets.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:48 PM
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36. Utter lies. n/t
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:12 PM
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37. reuters coorespondent saw bloated and decomposing bodies in the street
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 08:12 PM by maddezmom
No help has reached civilians in Falluja since the assault began on Monday and U.S. forces kept a Red Crescent aid convoy of seven trucks and ambulances waiting at the main hospital near a bridge over the Euphrates River on the edge of the city.


A Reuters correspondent who drove through the city saw bloated and decomposing bodies in the streets, smashed homes, ruined mosques, power and telephone lines hanging uselessly.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&nci...
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:42 PM
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41. Saw this story....
sorry if dupe:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=251539

BAGHDAD, Iraq Nov 14, 2004 In the weeks before the crushing military assault on his hometown, Bilal Hussein sent his parents and brother away from Fallujah to stay with relatives.

The 33-year-old Associated Press photographer stayed behind to capture insider images during the siege of the former insurgent stronghold.

......................
"Destruction was everywhere. I saw people lying dead in the streets, wounded were bleeding and there was no one to come and help them. Even the civilians who stayed in Fallujah were too afraid to go out," he said.

"There was no medicine, water, no electricity nor food for days."
...............................
"U.S. soldiers began to open fire on the houses, so I decided that it was very dangerous to stay in my house," he said.

Hussein said he panicked, seizing on a plan to escape across the Euphrates River, which flows on the western side of the city

"I wasn't really thinking," he said. "Suddenly, I just had to get out. I didn't think there was any other choice."

In the rush, Hussein left behind his camera lens and a satellite telephone for transmitting his images. His lens, marked with the distinctive AP logo, was discovered two days later by U.S. Marines next to a dead man's body in a house in Jolan.

AP colleagues in the Baghdad bureau, who by then had not heard from Hussein in 48 hours, became even more worried.

Hussein moved from house to house dodging gunfire and reached the river.

"I decided to swim but I changed my mind after seeing U.S. helicopters firing on and killing people who tried to cross the river."

He watched horrified as a family of five was shot dead as they tried to cross. Then, he "helped bury a man by the river bank, with my own hands."


more....................
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 12:11 AM
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42. he's lucky he only lost his camera
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:09 PM
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39. Liars. Eye witnesses are telling us many civilians are trapped in Fallujah
The US military are a bunch of murderers (I'm not talking about the majority, I hope, of US soldiers who think US actions are appalling).
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:04 AM
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43. poor fools, they think they can hide the truth. hiding truth from
the people can't be done any longer. it will escape and the world will see it all. this is just the beginning, iraq will slowly sink down the rabbit hole, and poooooor georgie will have to decide. stay and go down as the person that lost iraq, or pull the troops out and be known as the person that lost iraq.

irony is a mean mofo.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:05 AM
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44. PHOTOS that prove otherwise
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Kindigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:32 AM
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45. I am so sad

Abu Mustafa said he knew of six families nearby in a similar plight, but then broke down in tears. "We are still fasting, though it is the Eid (end of Ramadan feast) today. Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar (God is great)," he sobbed.

:cry:
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:41 AM
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46. thank you for the info. to bad the media can't show this. yes the
good old liberal media.
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sr_pacifica Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:14 AM
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52. They consider it "bad taste"
Media that refuse to show the reality of the killing and destruction in Iraq are gutless collaborators.
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sr_pacifica Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #44
51. Yes, and as usual, www.gettyimages.com has pictures documenting
the latest destruction of Iraqi people.
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FormerOstrich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:18 AM
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47. These guys are going to come back so messed up.....
the whole thing just makes me sick...for the troops, the iraqis, for us...





I thought this was a post for the one pic but I guess the jpg is all of them...while all the photos are sad check out the troops in the next to last row on left.
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sr_pacifica Donating Member (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:04 AM
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50. No need for aid because who's left alive?
Very few.

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