Hillary For President (Rumors she's considering run)

[RamboLiberal]

http://richardreeves.com/

Any reliability in this Reeves guy?

A good time was had by all, even if you heard the occasional grumble of, "What the hell is she doing out here? What is she raising money for?"

"She" is Hillary. The Senator from New York was down the road in Easthampton, getting ready to do her own gathering at a $250-a-head cocktail party. Pretty good for a freshman senator. But Kerry, who has served 19 years in that august company, is not concerned about Hillary the senator. He is worried about Hillary for President -- and well he should be.

The race for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2004 has changed totally in the past few weeks. At the beginning of the summer, Hillary could comfortably deny having national presidential ambitions, because the comfortable conventional wisdom was that it didn’t really matter who the Democratic candidate would be, because President Bush had a lock on re-election. (I’m sure that the thought has never crossed her mind that it would be better for her if Bush won in 2004, leaving her a clear field in 2008)

But now!...with Bush looking more vulnerable because there are not enough jobs at home and not enough peace abroad, Senator Clinton has to check some numbers. If a Democrat, say Kerry, defeats Bush next November and then runs for re-election in 2008, then her next chance to run would probably be in 2012, when she will be 65 years old. And who knows what the world will look like then?

--snip--

Hillary and her advisers will meet shortly after Labor Day, I hear, to discuss whether or not she should go for it.

My opinion - stay the hell out Hillary.

[BayCityProgressive]

1. My Opinion

Get in Hillary :D

[GemMom]

28. Trial balloon?

My guess is that this is a trial balloon to test the waters.

[Demobrat]

2. Oh good grief. Please no.

She has said she wouldn't run loudly and clearly. If she hadn't, I would have supported her wholeheartedly, but if she makes a liar out of herself we're doomed.

[ozone_man]

33. Not a liar, just a change of mind. It's allowed.

Not everyone would guess that the political winds would change and Bush will go down in a landslide loss. It takes some pessimistic thinking I suppose, but I think the economy is going to get much worse in the next 5 years, and Bush will take the heat in the coming election.

Dean is my candidate, but this could get interesting.

[hang a left]

41. yes, isn't she entitled to change

her mind? Clark/Clinton Dean/Clinton. Who could possible beat that, eh? Kerry/Clinton? or Clinton/ you get my drift

[Vitruvius]

44. I hope Hillary DOES run -- if she wins the nomination, she's the strongest

candidate -- the candidate with the best chance to beat Bu$h*. If she doesn't win the nomination, she'll have done plenty of good and no harm.

Specifically, Hillary has proven that she knows how to run a good campaign; therefore, even if she doesn't win the nomination, she will help mobilize the Democratic base (that's US!), and help sharpen up the Democratic message. And she'll also help take the shine off Bu$h, soften him up, and get him ready for the knock-out from whoever becomes the Democratic candidate.

And she can do these things because she WILL get media coverage. Unlike so many of our other excellent candidates that the Rethugnican corporate media is determined to ignore.

And then there's the Big Dog factor.

And even if she does not get the nomination, as a good Democrat, she WILL support the nominee. And bring all of these advantages to the nominee's campaign.

Hillary running? I see only upsides and no downsides. I hope she does.

Vitruvius

P.S: Anybody who could help trounce d'Amato, then knock Guiliani out of her race, then trounce his hand-picked replacement knows how to fight.

[Desertrose]

3. That'd sure be a kick in the pants,

if Hil decides to run. Much as I like & admire the woman, IMO her timing couldn't be worse...

I swear sometimes its like watching a surreal circus, this world in which we now find ourselves!!

Peace
DR

[demdave]

4. I have had a dollar on this since 2000

My chances have gone up and down, but I still think she will. I believe she will at some point ,regardless. If she doesn't in 2004 and a Dem. wins..she will be hardpressed to run against a standing President. If she waits till 2008, I think too much is uncertain ...her opponent, the state of the economy and the social climate. I see a 2004 run in a known political and social environment as being very enticing to her, especially if she sees a weakness in Bush and there is no VERY clear Dem. frontrunner.


Bias opinion...I do have a dollar riding on this.

[Cocoa]

5. that would be a battle royale

Bush vs. Clinton 2004.

I say bring it on!

Just the thought of Hill and Bill at the inauguration puts a smile on my face.

edit: and Chelsea

[FlashHarry]

6. It's waaay too soon for her to run.

You think the Arkansas Project was bad? Wait 'till the wing-nuts get a load of Hillary. There needs to be a breather (a Democratic breather, by the way) before we have another Clinton running for prez. It's the same reason Al Gore didn't run--and shouldn't have.

[Emboldened Chimp]

7. I don't think she will

She has said emphatically again and again that she's not running in '04. If she came out and suddenly said she was, the "librul" press would be on her ass right quick. I think this is an attempt to rile the puke base.

[budmo]

8. Hilary ..NO!

I read this article the other day and it pissed me off!

First of all, she made a promise to New Yorkers, when she got elected that she would serve her term and that she wasn't running for Pres. So there she is starting her campaign with a lie!
She carries so much luggage...right or wrong-and I think it would just be wrong for her to step in after candidates like Dean and Such have worked so hard and come so far.Plus I know that Dean's been in consultation with the Clintons all along. And he asked her before he decided to run if she were going to run because if so he wasn't going to....and she said No she wasn't gong to run so he did...thank God!

so all in all she'd be setting up a less than trustworthy vibe with her fellow Dems I'd say.:mad:

[leQ]

10. i don't think she will

like y'all are sayin, she emphatically made it clear that she was not going to run. i keep wondering though... if * makes it in '04, then the time would be more than ripe for her... but if dean (or an anonymous dem for that matter) were to take '04, how could hill make the case that she should have '08?

[diplomats]

13. I don't think she's running

Even if she wanted to, she promised about a million times she wouldn't, and she can't go back on that. I'd vote for her because I despise Bush, but her credibility wouldn't be very good, that's for sure. She wasn't vague about not running, she was insistent. (Ironically, she probably would have a good chance, believe it or not, but I don't think she can go back on her word.) Plus, isn't Clark going to run? That should strengthen the field. I think Reeves is just reporting a rumor, which is fine. BTW, he's a liberal.

[DieboldMustDie]

9. The world will look a lot better in 2012...

after 8 years of Democratic governance that it will in 2008 if * is returned to office.   65 isn't too old for a presidential run.   N.B., women live longer, on average, than men.

[ursacorwin]

11. you folks disappoint me

wasn't this a link on drudge? doesn't that tell us something?

i'll admit, hil would be great- in a democracy with a free and unbiased media. but we don't live in that country anymore, and as has been pointed out, we're too close to the memory of the Clenis years for her to have any sort of fair shot.

that said- don't you all think she knows this, even better than we do? don't you think that it's worrisome that every single report on "hillary will run!" comes from a right-wing fool like drudge. and just who the hell is reeves, and why does he get the scoop? you'd think some DLC shill would be making this kind of gossip-announcement.

let's wait until a democrat who actually works with hil says this, and not feed internet rumors put out by the right to split support for already declared dems. to me, this just says that rove et al are scared of dean.

[diplomats]

14. Reeves is not a conservative

but he's writing it like it's a rumor. I think he's just speculating. I'm not surprised this is linked on Drudge. I'm certain she's not running.

[RamboLiberal]

17. A long time till the election

A little discussion here is not going to screw things up at this point.

I do worry she might just decide to get in the race. I like Hillary and think she'd make a great Prez, but with this atmosphere I doubt she could win. She's too polarizing right now! And that is sad that in this country we put more emphasis on the trivial than the issues.

I want the Dems to have the best chance to win - and I don't think Hillary gives us that chance.

[tlb]

48. The " drudge link" excuse for ignoring unwelcome news

is pretty lame. Reeves column can stands or falls on its own merit, not by what websites link to it.

That being said, my two cents worth is I don't think she will run in the 04 primaries. A " spontaneous draft" at the convention might be at least a possibility though. However in the final analysis I really doubt she will run in 04.

[VolcanoJen]

12. Kick!!!

:dem:

[hiphopnation]

15. In response to your dupe post:

I actually posted before you. It is on Drudge which means you know you can't trust it fully.

http://www.drudgereport.com

I say GO FOR IT HILLARY!!

[styersc]

19. Hillary- if you're reading this- DON'T RUN!!!!!

You are turning out to be one hell of a good Senator. We need you in the Senate. In 2012 you'll be 64 years old. That's not too old to be president!!!! And as an aside, the biggest problem your husband had in being president was his immaturity. Had he waited unitl he was 65 he would have been and even greater president.

[VolcanoJen]

20. Hey HipHop!

That was fun.. Hey HipHop! :-)

Please note my Moderator Apologies within your thread at locking your post in favor of this one. Yours was indeed first, and it was a tough call to make.

Thanks very much for posting your Drudge link within this post, in the interest of continuity. Your efforts are appreciated.

:-)
VolcanoJen
DU Moderator

[RamboLiberal]

23. The link was on Drudge-so I guess the Arnold Oui story is not true?

Drudge mostly posts links, from Washington Post, NYT, and other newspapers. Some good, some dubious.

And I didn't see your post. When I posted Dupe this one already had 10 replies. My apologies that I didn't note you posted first. I assumed since this had most replies you had posted later.

Hey we both got beat - bigger discussion over in GD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=243618

[w4rma]

16. "doesn’t eat into Dean’s lead…Dean is the only one who could hold his own"

…
Under the Clinton scenario, Kerry would fall into the second tier of Democratic hopefuls, favored by just 16 percent of voters. All the other Democratic candidates would be relegated to the single digits.

Dean’s support among independent- and reform-minded voters seems intact with or without Clinton in the race while Kerry would find his base of support among traditional Democratic voters threatened, according to Herald pollster R. Kelly Myers.

"If Hillary Clinton suddenly expressed some interest in the race, the biggest potential loser is Kerry," Myers told the Herald. "She doesn’t eat into Dean’s lead at all ... As of today, Dean is the only one who could hold his own (against Clinton)."
…
http://www4.fosters.com/News2003/July2003/July_28/News/reg_pol_0728a.asp

[RamboLiberal]

26. Yeah - but couldn't this get ugly if Clark also gets in the race?

I think the Dean and Clark supporters would remain loyal. The other Dems would certainly be toast. But the Dem primary voters would worry me. And I wonder if the Repugs would be dirty and register as Dems just to run Hillary if they thought their Boy King could embarass a Clinton.

[ButterflyBlood]

18. NO NO NO

this would just totally and completely muck things up. stay out of it Hillary.

[concord]

21. Just feels wrong to me

The timing is bad. We need her in the Senate (although, how much is unclear ... she DID vote for the resolution) and the field is shaping up nicely as it is. She's a lightning rod, a polarizer right now. I think she should wait.

[sistersofmercy]

22. Unlike naysayers, oh please, oh please, I hope she does! We need her!

[onehandle]

24. It's Bullshit....

She said she'd serve out her term.

Period.

[AntiCoup2K4]

25. Hillary for President!!

In 2012, NOT now!!

[Trek234]

27. Please don't say DUers are this naive

She's not running. Isn't it obvious this is reported by the right wingers in charge to get the mindless freeper masses in war mode?

The only thing that makes them work harder than the thought of a democrat in office is the thought of a clinton in office.

Regardless - Clinton voted FOR the war after she gave a speech on senate floor saying she didn't support it. I can see FOX news right now replacing the trailing news items and FOX logo with two constant auto repeat videos - one of the senate speech, and one of Clinton claiming she wouldn't run.

These two things combined will shoot her credibility to hell.

[indigo32]

29. I think this is just a rumor

to stir upthe RWers while they're down. It'd be a huge mistake for her to jump in right now.

[mistertrickster]

30. She should run with Dean as Vice Pres

That ticket would rock . . .

[Fleshdancer]

31. Why don't we just call her office and ask?

or drop her an email? It's better to seek the answer than speculate, isnt' it?

[Nashyra]

32. Clark/Clinton

[ozone_man]

36. Nope, it's Dean/Clinton or Dean/Clark.

I don't want a general in the top position. Too much like a military coup (maybe we have that now). Of course Eisenhauer was OK, even warned us about the miltary industrial complex, but still, better a VP slot for Clark. Dean/Clark is much better. Sit this one out Hillary or if all else fails, wait for a draft at the convention.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

40. That Is a Ridiculous Comment

Too much like a military coup

Yeah, a military coup without the military and without the coup.

It's called a free election. That's kinda not even close to a military coup. In fact, they're not even in the same continent.

DTH

[RamboLiberal]

34. I just dropped her an email

saying as much as I love her and Bill, I think they need to look at what is best for the country. As much as I'd love to see them on that inaugration dais in '05 with a defeated AWOL, I think the Limbaughs, Hannitys, Matthews, etc. have poisoned the well. There is a big portion of the electorate who've already been convinced that Hillary is a scheming, untruthful, pol.

[diplomats]

37. Her book has helped her favorable ratings

but there's no chance she's going to run. She's as well aware of the obstacles (perhaps moreso) as we are.

[oasis]

35. Answer: Hillary will not run. Buh bye

[DemNoir]

38. I would assume she is smart enough not to do this

The minute she gets in the race becomes a circus and we are dead.

[conservdem]

39. I hope she stays out. Her toying with the idea does not help the field.

[YouNotMyBoss]

42. Go Hillary! Bring it on

She is just what we need to take over 1600 DC. She is so much more qualified than the rest of the ticket it's a shoe-in.

[AmandaRuth]

43. has anyone considered

that this is propaganda from the other side?

[Robbien]

45. This sounds like a deliberate distraction to me

They don't want a stink raised about the blame game the Bush gang is now floating. Hey look over here, Hillary might run.

[robbedvoter]

46. Isn't. Shouldn't. Clintons must see that all pro-war candidates

are sinking in polls. Much as I loved Hillary (still have some affection) I wouldn't vote for her. She might even lose a Senate race in NY after her Iraq vote at this time.

[StopThief]

47. Will she run?

The answer is simple. If she thinks Bush can possibly be beaten she will run. If she thinks Bush will win and clear the field for her in '08, dhe will not. Pray she runs or there is no shot.

As I've said since the first thread on possible '04 candidates: "Hillary: There is no other."

TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!!!

[Nottingham]

49. I would love her for President!

She would be Great! :bounce:

The Republicans would just DIE!

My only dissapointment with her was the Vote for the Iraq War!

:bounce:

[Einstein]

50. Hillary Is Waiting

Hillary is waiting until the moon is in the second form, and Jupiter aligns with Mars.

[Robbien]

51. Why be the sheep they think we are and fall for this distraction?

If postings stop, this thread will die. We have more important things to spend our efforts on.