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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 05:53 PM
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US Launches Offensive in Samarra, CNN Reports
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&s...



Comment: In light of the refusal of both candidates to allow the debates to include either swimsuit or talent competitions, it appears that the incumbent has elected to go for a little Massacre Bounce
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kerryin2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 05:59 PM
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1. How can you even know it's true with CNN??
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 05:59 PM by kerryin2004
CNN is such a bad shill for the GOP I really don't know what is going on when they "report"..
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 06:05 PM
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3. More proof that the troops should come home immediately!
Cut and run, tuck tail, what ever 'ya want to call it. Not one life is worth it....
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 06:02 PM
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2. More US Terrorism....
Those poor people...

<snip>

Residents in the city, 60 miles north of Baghdad, told Reuters by telephone that big explosions were shaking the town. They reported heavy air strikes over more than two hours.


Most residents were sheltering indoors, they said.

Officials in Baghdad were not available to comment.


CNN's reporter in Iraq (news - web sites), Jane Arraf, in a live broadcast from Samarra, said she was accompanying U.S. forces engaged in the attack, which she described as "an entire brigade-size operation into Samarra to root out insurgents."


She said she had been told there were an estimated 2,000 fighters in the rebel stronghold, including 250 foreigners.




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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 06:07 PM
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4. Wow! This will be a dead children week record! Hey Guiness!
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 06:08 PM
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5. WTF???
You know, I really think it's Bush's aim to completely level Iraq AND destroy our military. He loves to break stuff, and the next 3 generations are going to have to pick up the bill. All these people are trying to do is get an occupying power that has no business being there out of their country.
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 07:08 PM
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11. I have that same feeling ....
"I really think it's Bush's aim to completely level Iraq AND destroy our military."
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Astarho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 10:33 PM
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13. Nah, Bush just likes killin'
the more dead the better (and he doesn't care who it is either)
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 06:17 PM
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6. definition
http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/documents/gncnvntn.htm

Genocide Convention 1948

The definitional article included in the 1948 convention stipulates:

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

The critical element is the presence of an "intent to destroy", which can be either "in whole or in part", groups defined in terms of nationality, ethnicity, race or religion. Thus, the imposition of restrictions during the nineteen-sixties and seventies on reproduction in India, through forced sterilization in many instances, or the continuing restrictions in China, do not constitute genocidal policies as the intent is to restrict the size of groups, not to destroy existing groups in whole or in part. Policies implemented during the Third Reich respecting Jewish, Roma and Sinti groups, on the other hand, were quite clearly genocidal in terms of this article as there was a clearly stated policy indicating the presence of an intent to destroy them.. Members of all these groups were processed in extermination camps, were subjected to serious bodily and mental harm, and had conditions inflicted upon them intended to bring about their physical destruction, including starvation in ghettoes, and had measures applied to them intended to prevent births within the group (sterilization).

Many experts, legal and academic, consider these criteria deficient in various respects. Some consider that the criteria are insufficiently broad. For instance, it excludes the physical destruction of certain sub-groups that have regularly been the victims of extensive killing programs. Usually mentioned in this context are members of political or social classes, such as the bourgeoisie, the middle classes, the Kulaks and the intelligentsia. Also, the definition focuses on the physical destruction of the group. There have been many instances in which the group has physically survived but its cultural distinctiveness has been eradicated. A contemporary example is the destruction of Tibetan culture by the Chinese, or that of indigenous tribes in certain countries in South America, Paraguay and Brazil, for instance.

These and other deficiencies need to be understood in the context of the background to the passage of this convention. The term genocide is of recent derivation; etymologically, it combines the Greek for group, tribe-genos, with the Latin for killing-cide. In 1933, at a time when neither the extensiveness nor character of the barbarous practices subsequently carried out under the auspices of the Third Reich could have been foreseen, the jurist Raphael Lemkin submitted to the International Conference for Unification of Criminal Law a proposal to declare the destruction of racial, religious or social collectivities a crime in international law. In 1944 he published a monograph, Axis Rule in Occupied Europe, in which he detailed the exterminatory and other practices and policies pursued by the Third Reich and its allies. He went on to argue the case for the international regulation of the "practice of extermination of nations and ethnic groups," a practice which he referred to now as genocide. Lemkin was also instrumental in lobbying United Nations officials and representatives to secure the passage of a resolution by the General Assembly affirming that "genocide is a crime under international law which the civilized world condemns, and for the commission of which principals and accomplices are punishable." The matter was referred for consideration to the UN Economic and Social Council, their deliberations culminating with the signing of the 1948 United Nations Convention on Genocide (UNCG).

There are considerable disagreements among experts concerning whether a specific complex of behaviours merits the designation genocide, even leaving aside clear-cut instances of attempts at moral appropriation of the concept. There are various reasons for this. First, like any other legal instrument, it was the outcome of negotiations between parties that held conflicting views as to the proper scope of its constituent parts. On this, see the analysis by Leo Kuper in his Genocide: Its Political Use in the Twentieth Century. Harmondsworth: Penguin Books, 1981, Chapter 2. Although Article IX allows for disputes between parties to be adjudicated by the International Court of Justice, because accusations of genocide are invariable made by one state against another, this has never occurred. Consequently, there is no body of international law to clarify the parameters of the convention.

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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 06:23 PM
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7. US begins offensive in Samarra
Four people have been seriously wounded, including a child and one woman, in a US air strike on the town of Samarra, Iraqi police and hospital sources said.

There was no immediate US confirmation of the air raid on the town late on Thursday, but CNN is reporting that a military operation against Samarra is underway.

"We have received four seriously wounded people. They are a child, a woman and two men," said Dr Khalid Ahmad at Samarra's hospital.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/2C60A3CD-B561-41...
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 06:53 PM
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8. the child is obviously an intern..
in al-Qa`idah's Senior Commander Trainee Program. The woman, obviosly his instructor in evil. The two dudes were a mistake, sorry..
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Vox_Reason Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 07:01 PM
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9. Will * use this in the debate?
"Tonight, I gave the order to start bombing lots of women and children in Samarra in order to protect our freedom and to lift the hopes of the Iraqi people."
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 07:22 PM
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12. and to
gain more votes. Please let me win the debate, I am showing my force on security.
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 07:07 PM
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10. Hello DuctapeFatwa
havnt seen you post for a while ... ;) :hi:
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