Bush ahead in swing states, will defeat Kerry: Karl Rove

[underpants]

2 minutes ago

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/us_vote_bush_rove

WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President George W. Bush (news - web sites) will defeat his Democratic rival, John Kerry (news - web sites), in the November 2 election because he is leading in the polls in the key US swing states, the president's top political adviser said in an interview.

Rove told the newspaper that the swing states of Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri, North Carolina and Virginia are already in the Bush camp. The Republicans must now hang on to Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire and Ohio, four key states that he won in 2000.

But Rove believes that the biggest problem the Democrats have "is not getting Kerry's people to dislike Bush; it's getting (them) to like Kerry."


"Hatred is a powerful emotion, but it is not a very durable emotion. You cannot maintain hatred in your heart for another person and keep it for a long period of time," Rove said.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

1. How can they hang onto Florida, a state they LOST

rhetorical question. I know "how"

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[wicket]

2. Karl Rove usually says the exact opposite of the truth

He's getting really scared! :D

[UCLA Dem]

65. Right on!!

All I have to say is that guy really creeps me out. ewwww. He just looks scary

[Kolesar]

3. another thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x888061

Now Washington Times propaganda has gone "mainstream".

[underpants]

5. That's the whole point

"It has been reported..." "Some people say..."

[Tommy_Douglas]

4. He was right about one thing...

People hate Bush and many are unsure whether they like Kerry or not.

That should still favour Kerry as I don't know many people who vote for somebody they despise.

[saracat]

11. Not anymore! Kerry has made up ground and

people are not voting ABB (though they would) as much as for Kerry!

[2Design]

15. anyone who is paying attention would like and love our dream team

any one who does not like = press/media

[Fookin_A]

40. They'll come to their senses

I know a lot of people who dislike Kerry but absolutely hate GWimpBush and want him out so their vote is for Kerry, as is mine.

[Cha]

47. Kerry grows on ya! I came out of the primaries being

an abber but during the Convention and onward I am firmly in Kerry/Edwards camp!

Course, I know everyone is different but I was staunchly not in Kerry/Edwards camp..and now..will like I said the two Johns grow on ya!:)

[progressivebydesign]

6. Oh no, Karl, I can maintain my hate for you for many, many years..

.. he's wrong about that hate thing. My hate for people who circumvent our democracy through filthy tricks and petty crimes will never, ever go away. Karl is wrong on that one!

Oh.. and Karl, the ABB crowd you so are so quick to identify, has vanished.. there were very few of them to start with.. Oh, and Karl, you forgot to mention the GOP voters: the OSIHTVFB? crowd. (oh shit, I have to vote for BUSH?).

[underpants]

9. OSIHTVFB?

Ha!

[xxqqqzme]

7. Oh-ho-ho-ho

I beg 2 differ saurove. Hate is Xtremely durable....and Xpansive. I hate all U promote even more than I did 4 years ago.


And I have never forgiven tricky dick 4 ignoring his constitutional oath. So there, U rat bastard.

[underpants]

8. Yeah it can last .........oh .....as long as 8 years

I've seen it happen.

[napi21]

10. Hey Karl! Do you NOW love the Clintons?

Where is this idiots mind? He and the Pubs maintained hate for Clinton for the entire 92 campaign, through the 8 years in office, and STILL maintain it! Actually hate is a bigger motivator than any other!!!

[Cassandra]

24. Maybe he should talk to the Serbs...

they're still working on hatreds from the Middle Ages. And don't forget Israel, the Crusades...plenty of long-lived hate to go around.

[Eye and Monkey]

68. Ubiquitous dark humor from the Balkans -

A Serb is walking along the beach and sees a bottle wash up in the surf. As it looks like a genie-in-the-bottle kinda bottle, he steps over and picks it up. The Serb gives it a rub, out comes the genie.

Out thunders, "I AM THE GENIE OF TH...". The Serb cuts him off, "Yeah, yeah, what about my wishes?"

The genie says, "You get ONE wish, make it good. And remember, whatever you ask for, your neighbor gets DOUBLE."

The Serb thinks, "My neighbor is a Bosnian. I don't want him to get double of my good luck." He thinks, he thinks. Then he blurts out, "I've GOT it!"

The genie says, "Yes...?"

The Serb says "My wish is that you poke out ONE of my eyes."

Ubiquitous across the Balkans - you can insert any ethnicity for "Serb/Bosnian". Darkly funny, it seems that you can even insert "Republican", too.

[saracat]

12. Arggh! Another negative post!

I don't need to "clutter my beautiful mind!"

[shraby]

13. Karl must be nervous, he's talking

to the media. Usually he's nowhere to be seen.

[redstateblues]

18. Yeah Remember Right Before the 2000 Election He Said

Bush would win by at least 7%. You are right -he must be scared.

[underpants]

21. Also the "don't you want to bank on a WINNER" angle

Trying to declare themselve sthe victors so those even close to being on the fence will go ahead and vote W.

[UCLA Dem]

66. Sounds like he needs to work a little harder on those numbers!

[Leilani]

49. Yeah, if you consider the Moonie Times, the media.

[trueblew]

61. If Rove comes outta the bat cave...

things are Bad, Very Bad.

[Zorra]

56. Yeah - why do some people post republican propaganda in LBN

all the time?

[underpants]

14. Other GREAT posts here (sorry Barrett)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x859456

One minute. :hi:

[onehandle]

16. This has been a message from the committee to suppress the vote. nt

[Cocoa]

17. his comments about hatred are disingenuous

he knows full well the enormous power of hatred.

Unfortunately for him, ours is organic, rather than manufactured like the GOP's has been since his mentor Nixon.

[beyurslf]

19. Hate isn't durable? 3 and 1/2 years and counting

and the right wingers I know have 12 years of Clinton hate still spewing forth.

[cidliz2004]

32. Hate is to durable

I have hated Bush since the Iraqi war wind up. How long is considered (durable)?

[wrate]

20. You don't fire an employee because you hate him, you fire him because he

is inept. Which is why * will be fired.

[MrBenchley]

22. Dress the chimp up in a pilot costume again, Karl

that worked so well last time....

[Xipe Totec]

23. Dream On!

You cannot maintain hatred in your heart for another person and keep it for a long period of time?

Got news for KKKarl, I have grudges that go back 30 years! The 2000 election seems like only yesterday, and the invasion of Iraq, a few minutes ago.

The repugs may have an elephant as a symbol, but I'm the Masshole that never forgets. :grr:

[ronnykmarshall]

25. In your dreams, KKKarl!

You're little monkey is going DOWN and your ass will be out of the street.

[PlanetBev]

28. Typical Rovian Head-Fuck

Trying to demoralize and drain Democrats of hope, making sure they give up and stay home on election day.

Don't fret, Karl, my hate for you and Bush is as everlasting and infinite as the universe. There is no end of it.

[calimary]

43. He better be careful about this. If he carries on too much, he'll convince

some of his fellow republi-CONS that "it's in the bag, so why sweat it?" Maybe that's the way we WANT them to think. Some of 'em might stay home that day...

And by the way, kkkarl, my hatred for your pet moran just might not have an end. EVER. Period. I will hate your little dictator when you're still trying to remember some guy you still hate - who beat daddy in 1992.

[progressivebydesign]

55. Please don't use the word "head" and "fuck" with Rove's name...

..:puke:.. that's something I can't stomach even thinking about.

[Ravenseye]

26. The problem with the media...

is typified here.

A partisan hack makes a statement, and the media presents it as if it were true.

"Bush ahead in swing states, will defeat Kerry: Karl Rove"

People don't read to the Karl Rove part and even if they do, they don't uunderstand it's a quote from Rove. IF they know who he is. Most people will read that simply as "Bush ahead in swing states, will defeat Kerry"

An objective media wouldn't even make this a story, or if they did it'd be..

"President's Political Advisor Predicts Victory Based On Questionable Poll Numbers"

[LTR]

27. Well, at least I admire his optimism

Not really.

[jobycom]

29. It's not called "hatred," O jelly-faced one. It's called "moral outrage"

They keep spinning that lie to trivialize the anger at Bush and Company. Maybe their spin will be enough to get Bush in office, but it won't make the outrage go away.

And with the media (the PR department of the Republican Party) hiding the true depth and the true anger of Bush's "haters," the rest of the nation doesn't see what's happening, or what's coming.

If BushCo's only way to deal with this outrage is taunting and bullying, then bad things are going to happen in this nation over the next four years. I'm not calling for it, I would oppose it if asked, but there is going to be trouble like we haven't seen since the 60s, or even since the 1860s. Rove can mock all he wants, but it won't make the problem go away.

Hopefully Rove is just out of touch, and wrong. I really don't want to see what's going to happen if he's right.

[Raster]

30. I am going to hurl. The only reason $hrubco may win the election,...

...is that they will use every dirty trick in the book to STEAL the election.

All this bogus poll shit, it's all part of the setup. This bunch of criminal conspirators will do ANYTHING--I mean ANYTHING: lying, cheating, stealing, killing. Nothing is off the table. $hrubo means to stay in power by any means necessary. And if you don't think that it's possible, you are seriously deluding yourself.

[fizzana]

31. Bad news, you fat little f****

The election isn't today. First your little chimp has to make it through 3 debates and Kerry has only just finished clearing his throat.

Let's see how you feel on Nov 3.

[Hello_Kitty]

33. My hatred for you and Chimpy is real durable, Karl. n/t

[truthisfreedom]

34. is that why bush gave up on bin laden, karl? wasn't his hate durable?

karl, i've hated you non-stop for YEARS now, and there's no sign of letting up. what you're doing is called "talking the numbers up." well you can stare at the numbers and scream at the top of your fat-faced lungs, and they ain't goin' nowhere but down.

[jumpstart33]

35. This Bush regime is so like the Nazi regime it's scary!

Americans are just as filled with racism and hate as were the Germans during the Nazi regime. It's easy to lead a mob over the cliff when you appeal to their prejudices and fears.

[goodboy]

36. "You cannot maintain hatred...for a long period of time"

I completely disagree. I have always, and will always hate the policies of george bush...forever.

[vogonity]

37. I remember in 1988

One of times that Gephardt ran for president. It was toward the end of the primary season when it was clear that he had no chance of winning the nomination. I saw this interview where he was obviously totally exausted and when questioned about withdrawing said something along the lines of "I intendtowinmyparty's nominationand iwillbecomethe nextpresidentoftheunitedstates." Like a mantra, no thought, no acknowledgement of reality.

Maybe shrubco isn't quite there yet, but I think I can see where they are headed.

[mctrotter5]

38. They must really know they are going to lose if they let Rove

out of his black hole and let him stand there blinking at the light long enough to make this pronouncement. The fool think this is a personality issue!

[Mountainman]

41. I can hate bush for a long long time and still like Kerry

[calimary]

42. Zat so, kkkarl? "You cannot maintain hatred in your heart for another

person and keep it for a long period of time"? Oh REALLY? Yeah. Just take a random survey of all the Clinton-haters you know. Have any of THEM softened toward him?


Hmmm... lots of crickets chirping...

[Sparkle]

44. what's going on?

[robbedvoter]

45. NH, Fla were never yours, Ar, Oh - tied

As for hatred, it takes one to know one. The entire RW coalition is kept together by the spit of hatred (gays, blacks, women etc) - so I am trusting the hatred that W formented to sweep him away.
Been sustaining it for 4 years now, it'll last until November, Karl.

[Javaman]

46. Let it be known that karl has now spoken...Don't pay any attention

to the man behind the curtain...(must be said in ominous voice)

Anyone that has a clue, knows this guy is the original spinmachine, why would anyone believe anything he says?

[Tight_rope]

48. Karl Rove talking outta his ass again!

[On the Road]

50. THESE are the "Swing States"?

Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri, North Carolina and Virginia

Missouri is the only true swing state there. The others are all ones in which Dems have made gains to be within striking distance. It's quite possible Bush will win those states.

And these are the states Bush must "hang on to":

Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire and Ohio

Rove knows they're in deep trouble in all those places. No way Bush wins NH. 30% of the population used to live in MA, and Kerry got an amazing number of Republican crossover votes in the primary.

[yardwork]

51. Yeah, if Louisiana is a swing state, then the other 49 must be safe Kerry

Rove = a maroon

[William Bloode]

52. Boy howdy.....

He sure did get that bit about hate wrong hahaha! It's been my original hatered of the 1st Bush in the White House that still drives me too this very day. Hell thats only what? 16yrs.

I must add that Bush the lesser has compounded the whole 9yrd a bit during his tenure.

[TEXASYANKEE]

53. Well, if Rove said it ...

It must be true. NOT!

[pinniped]

54. Anyone who votes for or considers voting for these killer POS...

need to have their heads checked.

How people can still not see thru this phony bunch of assclowns is beyond me. There's not too many Kool-Aid drinkers in my city.

They've had almost four years to analyze this piece of shit and they like what they see?:puke:

[qWagmire]

57. Hatred

Maybe Rove underestimates the Democrats' ability to hold a grudge. He damn well knows its easy to find neo-con veterans (Swift-boat bitches for perjury) that have held a grudge for over 30 years towards Kerry. Man, I hate KKKarl.

[VegasWolf]

58. They are just setting people up so that the voting machine fix

doesn't appear too obvious!!

[GDoyle]

59. Joke of a Newspaper

I happened to read this article earlier, I am not sure why. Its not like I regularly browse the Washington Times. But I happened to find a link to the article and read it. The absolutely amazing thing about it to me was the author (Bill Sammon) didn't even bother to get a Kerry Campaign reaction to Rove's comments. Isn't that standard reporting? It was so blatant propaganda, its pretty obvious the Washington Times doesn't have any pretense of pretending to be a real place of employment for real journalists. Nothing but PR jockeys. Pathetic.

GDoyle

[RebelOne]

60. The asshole Hannity was gloating about these numbers

on his radio show today.

[coreystone]

62. To flail, or, not to flail; that is the question…..

whether tis nobler to “wave” a query which would better be served by one’s private recreational sport be disregarded; chiefly upon the waters where the currents and the breezes “whirl” A Way! Does the Rove makest thou assertion that the Kerry would “thrash” the Bush in debate of worldly concerns? I think not! NO! I think yes! This oral conflict, perchance, may be properly concluded by the Rove. Could it be that the Rove considers “floundering” an act of an aggressor? The Rove causes me to be so confused. The Rove has said the Kerry is the antagonist. Oh! The “assailant”, the “provoker”, the “aggressor”; oh, surely the Rove wilst clarify his substance. Is it beyond rational reflection that the Rove merely advocates the Kerry will be “flapping”; or, does the Rove merely deem the Kerry will be “flailing”?

And, I ask, “What is the peril of the Rove”? Perhaps, it is the Rove that “thrashes”!

Kerry "will be the best debater the president's ever faced," Rove told the Times. "We underestimate Kerry at our peril. He is very good at this; he's an aggressor. He goes in there flailing."

[murielm99]

63. Wanna bet, Karl?

I have sustained my hatred for you and your ilk for a long time. Even when you are defeated, and, I hope, jailed, I will hate you.

I have sustained my very durable hatred to the point that I have become an activist. I register people. I call. I walk my precinct. I table. I raise money. I write LTTEs. I will get out the vote.

Thanks for the reason to hate you, Karl. It is energizing all of us so much that you will have to crawl back into the spider hole you came from after November.

[flordehinojos]

64. they are so definite about bush's victory because they know they've rigged

the machines.

[peekaloo]

67. I fart in Karl Rove's general direction.

but his stench is more overwhelming.