Salon: "The dunce." bush's professor says he was a pathological liar.

[milkyway]

His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a pathological liar.
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Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."

Many of Tsurumi's students came from well-connected or wealthy families, but good manners prevented them from boasting about it, the professor said. But Bush seemed unabashed about the connections that had brought him to Harvard. "The other children of the rich and famous were at least well bred to the point of realizing universal values and standards of behavior," Tsurumi said. But Bush sometimes came late to class and often sat in the back row of the theater-like classroom, wearing a bomber jacket from the Texas Air National Guard and spitting chewing tobacco into a cup.

"At first, I wondered, 'Who is this George Bush?' It's a very common name and I didn't know his background. And he was such a bad student that I asked him once how he got in. He said, 'My dad has good friends.'" Bush scored in the lowest 10 percent of the class.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/16/tsurumi/index.html

[ugarte]

1. Yep, that's our boy

Truly a disturbed individual.

[jumpstart33]

67. Well, where are these "fellow students?" Are they afraid to come forward?

Can't say that I blame them.

[AspenRose]

84. "Harvard Students for Truth"

Hmmm....:think:

[Stephanie]

2. "spoiled, loutish and a pathological liar" - this guy?

[Bread and Circus]

11. Is that bubble photoshopped...talk about poetic.

[Stephanie]

42. Nope, it's real

This picture has been around for a long time. Bush at Harvard.

[shanti]

18. good find, stephanie!

:thumbsup:

[soleft]

45. Are you sure that isn't Ted Bundy?

[leftchick]

56. I think of that a lot..... Amazing resemblance

They even share the smirk....

[olddad56]

70. He reminds me a little of Al Bundy (eom)

[northzax]

54. aww, man, they just took down the sloganator

that one's perfect!

[daleo]

3. Bush scored in the lowest 10 percent of the class

He would be lucky if he manages that in "the class" of U.S. presidents, once history has had a crack at his administration.

[Charles19]

41. I think he will be ranked in lowest 10% of Presidents too (nt)

[olddad56]

72. I think he ranks in the lowest 1% of Human Beings.

[drscm]

49. What would he care what history says.

As he noted, "We'll all be dead."

Sure enough! And with *Bush in there, it may happen sooner than we all expected.

[hlthe2b]

4. I've heard three interviews with him. He is always very consistent...

and on target. If I hadn't known who he was talking about but was told to guess based on a famous male political figure, I'd guess it immediately. This prof has Bushies* number, alright.

[milkyway]

5. Nice to see bush was developing his smear campaign abilities at Harvard.

[Bozita]

6. "The Class Bully"

Doesn't everybody remember one of these?

from the article:

Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."

[ElectroPrincess]

30. Extrapolate from that sentiment ...

Sometimes I believe that "bullies" are running both our news media and government :(. I'm fed up with these mean-spirited souls. Time for us to take a stand. Me? I'm offering rides to and from the polling places. The more Americans are allowed to vote, the greater the probability we can shed the Bush dynasty from their political strangle-hold of OUR country. <curtsy> ;)

[JoFerret]

68. Mamma was just the same on the bus to school in 8th grade

"Who shall we not talk to today?

[saigon68]

80. The "class coward"

The AWOL CHIMAPANZEE

[sonicx]

7. Notice that the media ignores him

If he was John Kerry's prof, he'd be onair everyday.

[MUSTANG_2004]

36. I disagree

I've seen/read unfavorable one-time interviews with people who knew Hillary and never saw any reference to them again. I think it's the nature of the relationship that makes it back-page news (i.e. a professor who had him in one class).

I don't doubt his comments, but hardly think that they're worthy of being replayed constantly.

Besides, apparently he isn't being ignored. According to another post in this thread, he's been interviewed at least 3 times.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

48. I disagree

I have heard Yoshi Tsurumi interviewed twice, both times on AAR's Majority Report. Try googling for his other media appearances. You won't find him in any major broadcast outlet. I don't know what kind of exposure he's pursued, but the big media are not pursuing him.

As his business economics teacher, Prof. Tsurumi has provided more than a critique of Bush's character. Read this link to his article, "President George Bush and the Gilded Age," for Tsurumi's analysis of Bush's McKinley-era economic goals.

http://www.glocom.org/opinions/essays/20040301_tsurumi_president/

[Cogito ergo doleo]

8. * thinks if it doesn't have mold it's well bred.

Sorry.

[ixion]

37. lol

nice one. very clever. :-)

[Zero Gravitas]

9. He is scum

unfit for any public office

[tlcandie]

10. I hope they don't find a way to renounce his citizenship..

now that he went to the trouble of getting it so he could speak openly about this former student.

[shanti]

19. or get on any

small planes. :eyes:

[freeplessinseattle]

12. yeah, he's a class act

cunning, vengeful, lowest ten percent

spitting chewing tobacco into a cup, now isn't that respectful and well-bred?

[truthisfreedom]

13. i think the tobacco-spitting is the least of the problem. how do you get

rid of a psychopath with a mafia-like gang of enablers, drunk on corrupt power, once they are in office? this is a job for f*cking superman. i hope Kerry has a crack team on this for the final days before the election. we'll need to win 2 to 1 in order to win by even 1 vote, based on what seems to be happening with the touch-screen corruption.

[Bozita]

14. Welcome to DU ... and ... love the name

good stuff

[Lisa]

15. if one of my students bad-mouthed a classmate who'd upstaged him ...

... by accusing that person of "drinking too much" -- I swear, I would have said, "George, I'm buying you a whole case of that student's favorite tipple, if it'll make you as sharp!"


Yeah, and I've got an antique spittoon that I'd have dropped on the desk in front of him, without further comment.

[Joe Turner]

16. Vintage Bush--A Backstabbing Coward

Seems nothing has changed in Smirk's life since his college days. This article has that certain ring of truth that is unmistakable from what we have witnessed from this worthless, pampered COWARD in the last 4 years===

"Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him."

[snippy]

60. Almost right. Should be "A Backstabbing Lying Coward" n/t

[Joe Turner]

73. I Stand Corrected!

[shanti]

17. oh my damn

he had * pegged to a TEEE!!

[moondust]

20. Loathsome frat boy.

No talent, no brain. Just a rich daddy and a ton of arrogance and manipulation. Hechhhhhtooey!

[Swamp Rat]

21. That's a common trait among alien lizards. They're born pathological liars

Don't vote for Bush! He's an alien lizard!

[snippy]

61. True.

[DeepModem Mom]

22. From the article, re. the "pathological lying" --

"He showed pathological lying habits and was in denial when challenged on his prejudices and biases. He would even deny saying something he just said 30 seconds ago. He was famous for that. Students jumped on him; I challenged him." When asked to explain a particular comment, said Tsurumi, Bush would respond, "Oh, I never said that." A White House spokeswoman did not return a phone call seeking comment.

In 1973, as the oil and energy crisis raged, Tsurumi led a discussion on whether government should assist retirees and other people on fixed incomes with heating costs. Bush, he recalled, "made this ridiculous statement and when I asked him to explain, he said, 'The government doesn't have to help poor people -- because they are lazy.' I said, 'Well, could you explain that assumption?' Not only could he not explain it, he started backtracking on it, saying, 'No, I didn't say that.'"

[sonicx]

23. i find it hilarious that none of bush's snarly spokespeople...

have refuted anything this teacher says. ;)

[annabanana]

24. they can't

This revelation is in the "everyone knows this" category.

[sonicx]

26. yeah, but usually Scottie will respond with

an insulting none answer. :)

[Blue Gardener]

27. They can't refute anything that comes out

All they can do is smear the messenger. Doesn't appear anything has changed since frat boy's college days.

[0007]

25. Another beautiful article that the freepers will go bananas over.

I'm sure they'll counter with some phoney testimony that would croak a horse.

[R Hickey]

28. We need to make a "Swiftboat" style TV ad featuring Professor Tsurumi

Get this guy on TV! We need to make a TV ad.

[JPace]

29. This nasty tempered shallow little twit

is what the republican party offered up as presidential
material. What a lousy party to come forth with such an
undeserving, under qualified person to head this great
nation. We have great differences in our platforms, but
SHAME on them for forcing such a loser on America.

[area51]

31. Bush = psychopath. (n/t)

[0007]

32. Other flaws that aren't especially virtuous

'Ya think junior may have an obsessive impulse to steal regardless of economic need? Perhaps arising from an unconscious symbolic value associated with the stolen item?

We all know that junior lacks many virtuous ideals, the main virtue that is missing is "STRAIGHTFORWARDNESS" but then again many other lack this quality, especially most media outlets.

[Tight_rope]

33. Well....Looks like some people never change!...............n/t

[Zynx]

34. Bush is a very mean, dishonest, and cruel person.

[molly]

35. And he's still the same

[wildeyed]

38. Thanks for posting.

I have a friend who knows someone who went to school with Bush at Harvard who has the same memory. W.rong slouching in the back row, spitting tobacco.

[johnnie]

39. Oh yeah...well here is something for this professor!!

[RamboLiberal]

78. Wow - never saw that pic before - who's getting the finger?

eom

[Mandate My Ass]

40. That's Babs' little chip off the block

She should be so proud. :eyes:

[milkyway]

43. This shows bush had only taken Smear 101 at the time. He took the master's

program when he hooked up with Rove and learned to use surrogates to do his smearing for him.

[Bridget Burke]

55. He also studied under Lee Atwater.

In certain areas, he's quite well educated.

[DS1]

44. Hey, Harvard let him in, all this crap now is partly their fault

First President with an MBA indeed.

[DoYouEverWonder]

46. Here's Bush's Yale transcript

I wonder how much it was doctored before W released it to the public? Funny, it looks like the same kind of typewriter as the Killian memos?

[trogdor]

58. Incredible how somebody can pull nearly straight C's.

Note how he opted to take all his courses pass-fail in his senior year. Punk-ass biatch.

[DoYouEverWonder]

63. Was that really an option at Yale?

Sounds like bs to me. Just like W didn't think he needed to take his physical, despite a direct order.

[Jacobin]

47. Thank goodness this guy is not interviewed on TV

Can you imagine what people might think?

/sarcasm

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

50. Fox, CNN, ABC, NBC/MSNBC...look away...look away...look away

Who owns Salon? Someone needs inform them that they are not towing the line on keeping our "boy king" immune from silly questions about his character and history of underhanded bullshit.

JB

[milkyway]

53. Salon went public in 1999. It's been perhaps the best politics and culture

site on the web for years. It's based in San Francisco. Corporate media they are not. It is a very influential site that has broken many stories that made their way into the mainstream. It's a must read every day. For me, there are only three indispensable sites on the web: DU, Salon, and Apple.

http://www.salon.com/ir/faq/

[Vogon_Glory]

51. Thanks For Reposting This Article

Thanks for reposting this article. More people should read it.

I wish I could say that Gee Dubya had substantially changed from his youth. But unfortunately for the country, it doesn't look like he's changed much of his thinking or behaviors.

[JerseygirlCT]

52. Can you imagine if there were a story -m

like this about Kerry? It would be the headline everywhere... Hell, apparently Teresa's getting grief for suggesting (while helping with hurricane victims in the Carribean) that water is a higher priority than clothing now...

Keeping this one kicked!

[KansDem]

57. "wearing a bomber jacket from the Texas Air National Guard"

He might as well wear in to a university classroom; he didn't need it much when in the TANG...

[leftchick]

59. "he was fanatically for the war"

A warmonger from the beginning, as long as he wasn't going....


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"I used to chat up a number of students when we were walking back to class," Tsurumi said. "Here was Bush, wearing a Texas Guard bomber jacket, and the draft was the No. 1 topic in those days. And I said, 'George, what did you do with the draft?' He said, 'Well, I got into the Texas Air National Guard.' And I said, 'Lucky you. I understand there is a long waiting list for it. How'd you get in?' When he told me, he didn't seem ashamed or embarrassed. He thought he was entitled to all kinds of privileges and special deals. He was not the only one trying to twist all their connections to avoid Vietnam. But then, he was fanatically for the war."

Tsurumi told Bush that someone who avoided a draft while supporting a war in which others were dying was a hypocrite. "He realized he was caught, showed his famous smirk and huffed off."

[moondust]

64. He loves death

as long as it is somebody else's. I wonder what his views are of euthanasia and concepts like "thinning the population." :smoke:

[robbedvoter]

62. Bomber jacket, whispering campaigns - Rove seems to be a follower

rather than the dark genius manipulating the amiable haples "nice man" W - as the media tends to portray things.
All the mean, dirty tricks, lies ("I never said Clinton is guilty of the ME violence because he brokered peace - Ari said it") - they are his personal crimes

[Demoiselle]

65. Bob Somerby (Daily Howler) has a problem with the professor

..or at least a problem with a recent Nicholas Kristoff piece on the guy. Howler says (near the bottom of his current page) that Tsurumi's attacks on Bush are too perfectly partisan...or something like that and Kristoff isn't being fair in quoting him so copiously.....I can't agree with Somerby on this one. Let's hear more from the guy!

[smirkymonkey]

69. "Perfectly Partisan?"

Does Mr. Bob Somerby ever watch network news? Why is it that when one person (in this case, an educated and otherwise credible source)recalls a negative experience with W (and I am convinced there are no other kind)it is labeled as "partisan."

Cheezus, from such behavior, anyone in their right mind would have found W repulsive in every way. There is not ONE positive quality about the creep! That opinion doesn't make one partisan, just human.

[ElementaryPenguin]

66. "Animal House" character - Needameyer "sneaky little shit" frat rat

Keep this sucker kicked!

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

71. During the last election

most of the media felt the color of Al Gores suits or style of his haircuts to be the important information to inform us of. These questions of how GW sees and relates to others and the world? Not to worry, not important............... :shrug:
If I were the Kerry machine, this stuff about * would be flying fast and furious now.


edited for the shrug!

[RandomKoolzip]

74. The trouble is that these are the same characteristics that endear him

to his constituency. Remember, the "likability" factor? Unfortunately, a lot of Americans find this kind of behavior "likable," for some reason.

[JoFerret]

79. It is said it humanizes him!

They see their own failings represented and feel better. Gosh - he is not perfect - just like them. Like when he mangles his syntax. People know what he means so it doesn't matter that he misspeaks.

[Judi Lynn]

75. This is a fantastic article. It's just as you'd expect, were you to

speculate upon what kind of "student" _Bush may have been.

I hope and pray we hear a LOT more from Yoshi Tsurumi and that he will live to be extremely old, accident free and completely healthy.

[Octafish]

76. Sniveling moron.

Great article.

[mconvente]

77. Great find

nice job there

[Octafish]

81. Thanks! Nicest thing that can be said about Bush: He's an unelected moron.

A hearty welcome to DU, mconvente!

:kick: To a good article about a bad psychopathic personality.

[yellowcanine]

82. "My dad has good friends." Story of Dubya's life. A common story but

probably the first time it has been used to get into the National Guard and Harvard Business School as well as become owner of a several oil companies and a baseball team and get elected governor and president of the U.S. (the latter "elected" in quotes.)

[Octafish]

83. "I guess their daddies didn't know the right people."