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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:33 PM
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US 'exploring Iranian 9/11 role'
Last Updated: Monday, 19 July, 2004, 19:25 GMT 20:25 UK


US 'exploring Iranian 9/11 role'


The CIA says eight hijackers passed through Iran
President George W Bush has said the US is exploring whether Iran had a role in the 11 September 2001 terror attacks.

"We're digging into the facts to see if there was one," Mr Bush told reporters at the White House.

His comments come after the CIA's acting chief said some of the hijackers passed through Iran, but there was no evidence Iran was officially involved.
(snip)

"We have no evidence that there is some sort of official connection between Iran and 9/11"
John McLaughlin, acting director CIA
(snip/...)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3908245.stm

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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:35 PM
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1. Gearing up for a new war!
Guarantee it! He's going to move them straight from Iraq into Iran! That fucking prick will NOT get away with it this time!
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:37 PM
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2. I agree.
Otherwise, why trot this out now?

And by the way, I don't think he'll actually _launch_ a new war before the elections. Iran is like 5 times the size of Iraq with a much stronger army. I think what he's hoping for is that rattling sabres alone can bring up his popularity.
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jay-3d Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:38 PM
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4. I think it was the plan
all along. Thats why Iraq invasion scared the shit out of me, It's bigger than just Iraq.
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pale reflection Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:58 PM
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11. Iraq is indeed a great launching point...
Either from the tactical or strategic points of view.

Hear me out.

Strategically, invading Iraq cut off Syria and Iran from the rest of the world. With the US controlling Iraq, both countries are now surrounded by states that either are moderately unfriendly terms with them, or downright hostile. Classic divide and conquer tactics, right?

With pitiful border security, hotheads from Syria and Iran start pouring into Iraq to kill infidels, boosting Administration claims that these countries are part of the axis of evil and therefore need to be attacked, and soon. Bush created a self-fulfilling prophesy. From there, its just getting out the spin.

Tactically, with Kuwait a jumping off point an Iraq's military beaten up pretty good in the Gulf War, winning the war was an absolute lock. It was also certain to stir up a hornet's nest, which was something I think was part of the plan all along. Iraq is nothing more than a kill zone, an excuse to kill insurgents and go after other countries in the region.

I wish he'd planned "the peace" this well...
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:04 PM
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12. Thats crap - evil crap. "Classic divide and conquer tactics, right?"
How about thousands dead. There was supposedly a nuclear threat then too. How's the Kool Aid tastin'?
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:03 PM
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30. Look at a map
The poster is right; divide and conquer seems to be in full effect. What remains to be seen is what Bushco. can get away with. Let's face it, they have been able to act without being checked by any state or superstate entity.

It's up to the citizens of the U.S. to put a stop to this plan by giving Bush, Cheney et al the boot come November!
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:11 PM
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17. Welcome to DU!
Enjoy your stay!!!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:26 PM
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20. Those "hoards" haven't started pouring in yet:
Few detainees in Iraq are foreign-USA Today
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

'Only 29 Foreign Fighters' Held in Iraq
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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R Hickey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:40 PM
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38. I agree, that is the plan, and GOP voter I talked to, loved it.
I talked to a GOP friend this morning. This guy has always supported the Iraq invasion, and Bush's idea of stealing their oil.

Today, he was very happy with this news of Bush's saber-rattling toward Iran. He said he thinks it will help get Bush re-elected.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:37 PM
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3. That is so idiotic! They passed through Iran and LIVED here. FLORIDA
needs to be bombed...they lived there.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:41 PM
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8. There does not appear to be a direct connection, but
they are a serious threat.

Hmmmmmm...Where have I heard that one before?
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:44 PM
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9. Bomb Florida, I say. They LIVED in Florida...what more proof do you need?
nt
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:29 PM
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22. PSSSST. Try Saudi Arabia.
Nah. That's too easy.
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pale reflection Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:40 PM
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5. Based upon comments I've seen
on other web sites, plus taking into account the mullacracy's direct and unequivical support of Hezbollah and similar operations, I wouldn't be surprised if they forgot stamp a few passports.

That said, what difference does it really make? In an of itself that is hardly damning evidence of active support of 9/11.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:40 PM
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6. Wouldn't want to investigate the Saudi role...or that of Pakistan
They're "allies" in the War on Terror.
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JETS Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:41 PM
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7. Here is comes,
Operation Iran Freedom

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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 02:49 PM
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10. Or is it Operation Iran Liberation?
Otherwise known as O.I.L.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:07 PM
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13. I hate Bush.
I HATE HIM AND EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM. IT DRIVES ME NUTS HOW MUCH I HATE HIM.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:08 PM
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14. If He Gets A Second Term, He Will Invade Iran
and he will reinstate the draft in order to do it. Guaranteed.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:10 PM
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16. That would be a fool's errand
But he's a great fool, so it might happen.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:09 PM
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15. Holy crap! The terrorist passed through Iran!
It's almost like Iran was in between Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan, or something!!!!!
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:13 PM
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18. Meanwhile...they ignore the most obvious link...The Saudis
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 03:14 PM by Q
- Could it be that the Saudi Connection to terror is never 'explored' because they're friends and business associates of the Bush family? And why has congress not demanded the release of the 28 pages of the 9-11 report that outlines Saudi involvement?

- The coverup continues....
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:19 PM
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19. Some related recent threads

911 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran (Time Magazine)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Iran Arrests Iranian Al Qaeda Backers - State TV
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

US sets sights on toppling Iran regime
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Anybody who believes Bushistas have "intelligence" tying Iran to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda certainly hasn't followed Iran's antipathy to both Taliban and Al-Qaeda (stretching over some years).

And Americans, with average or better smarts, are beginning by now to suspect that the Administration has real problems interpreting "intelligence" when ordinary everyday reality conflicts with ideological goals.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:45 PM
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24. If nothing else, it's a Shia-Sunni thing with Iran and Al-Q, isn't it?
But then, how many people were ready to believe that Saddam the secularist was best pals with fundie Bin Laden?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:51 PM
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26. The Iranians experienced terrorist attacks themselves ...

... from AQ look-alikes. They have NO sympathy for the organization.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:56 PM
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27. Isn't there a terrorist group
that is responsible for a string of bombings in Iran, and the Iranians have accused the U.S. of harboring them in Iraq?

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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:00 PM
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28. Yes.
They're called the MKO. They are based in Iraq, and the U.S. struck a cease fire with them and is now leaving them alone.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:33 PM
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35. Ahhhh--so they may be bastards, but they are our bastards
Same shit, different day.

And the lying chimp has the audacity to accuse Iran of harboring Al-Q leadership.

Classic case of projection.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:33 PM
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36. From one of the above threads:
Lost Chances in Iran
By David Ignatius
Friday, July 9, 2004; Page A19

<snip>
What's poignant about these wary U.S.-Iranian feelers is that just over a year ago, they yielded a plan for an "anti-terrorist" deal that both countries should have loved: Iran would hand over some senior al Qaeda operatives in its custody and the United States would transfer to Iran some prisoners it was holding from the Iraqi-backed Mujaheddin-e Khalq organization, a group America has officially branded as terrorist.

The State Department is said to have favored such a deal, but the Pentagon balked -- arguing that the Mujaheddin-e Khalq might be useful in fomenting regime change in Tehran. Sadly, this internal dispute between administration pragmatists and ideologues over Iran is similar to the feuds that have obstructed policy on North Korea and Iraq.
<snip>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37953-20...
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:27 PM
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21. It looks more and more like "bomb Iran" is the October surprise
I can't see Bush getting into another ground war, but it seems more and more likely that he will make a limited air assault on Iran, backed by nuclear sabre rattling to ensure Iran doesn't seriously fight back. It will mostly be for show, to generate a patriotic rush of good feeling in the U.S., in the hope that it wins the election for him.

My guess is that come early October, they will "uncover" a document (probably forged) in Afghanistan that links Iran and Ossama. The press will call that "Doc Oc", and make stupid comparisons with Spiderman to whip up war fever. Well, the last part is pure invention, but don't be surprised.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:30 PM
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23. Perhaps jerk * should explore the possibly HE had a role in 9/11.
n/t
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:47 PM
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25. some lived and planned it in Germany, as well (nt)
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:18 PM
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32. What makes you think they arent too far down on 'the list'.
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:01 PM
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29. Fucking neoconservative pieces of shit.
Sorry i had to get that out.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:30 PM
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34. I expect to see an AIPAC alert about Iran's threat to Israel
Nothing like whipping the masses into war fever!
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:06 PM
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31. Will Bush use Israel to do it?
Remember, Israel just finished "first strike" exercises on Iranian Nuclear facilities? Any coincidence?

Surely Americans and the rest of the world would NOT support an invasion and occupation of Iran.

Say it isn't so or wake me up from this nightmare please!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:18 PM
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33. Of course, Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with it
:eyes:

Who's gonna believe Smirky now?

There is no fucking way Tony the Poodle is going along for this ride. The British would have his nuts.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:38 PM
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37. I don't understand--why is he thumping his chest like an ape
in a dominance gester? If he really wanted to invade or regime change Iran, why is he putting out the plan for everybody to see and practically bragging about it?

Unless he knows the election will be fixed in some way and that it is certain he will be president for four more years

Or is he trying to bait and switch Kerry? Hoping Kerry will make some statement, thereby defining the debate here--and a made up debate at this point.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:47 PM
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39. You've got to be kidding me...
I can't see how ANYONE could think this was a good idea.

Talk of a draft, stop losses, reservists being called up, two wars with no end in sight, and he thinks people will support a THIRD?!!!

Oh wait. They probably will. Days like this make me want to get a cabin in the Northwestern Territories and never come back.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 10:36 AM
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40. little more here >>
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

popular news story !! sorry for the dupe ..

If the AmericanPeople buy this one, say good bye to planet earth.

My view of 'reality' since Dec 2000 --- WTF?
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