Nader backers work the petitions - Republicans helping is fine with Nader

[NNN0LHI]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001972172_nader05.html

<snip>The pressure has created an ends-justify-the-means tinge to the canvassing. If, say, a voter announces his deep disagreement with Nader but says he will sign because it will draw votes from a Democrat, George readily hands over his petition.

"That's fine. I don't care why they sign," George says. "I'm just a mercenary in that regard."

The attitude has drawn attacks from Nader's critics. They say accepting Republican help is a hypocritical stance from the supposedly pristine candidate. snip

Nader dismisses the attacks. He said the petitioning is a matter of free speech and expanding the pool of candidates, so a signer's political affiliation is irrelevant. "If they want to help us speak freely inside the electoral arena, that's fine," Nader said Friday.

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[Caution]

1. I really wonder about this....

I honestly hope that Nader is actually working with Kerry and is using this to siphon money and effort from Republicans and that at the last minute he'll withdraw and give his full backing and support to Kerry/Edwards.

Hey a guy can dream can't he?

[NNN0LHI]

2. I dreamed the exact same thing in 2000. Turned out to be a nightmare

Fool me once...

Don

[shamanstar]

3. just like he did in 2000? eom

[ugarte]

4. Nader has gone over to the Dark Side

I don't believe he's ever coming back.

[mtnester]

6. New name - Ralph "Vader"

in reference to the Dark Side.

Now, to all Nader supporters - now that he is admittedly and unashamedly in bed with the Republican party, what's your slant on him now? Does the Republican Party really represent your ideals?

A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush...period, and anyone who says it is not really KNOWS better deep in your heart. It was as nearly said outloud in this article.

[quisp]

7. HAHA

Good one. I'm going to start using that.

[Pachamama]

50. Ralph "Egomaniac" Vader

Who is also delusional and probably either schizo or bi-polar...

I don't give him any credit or attention anymore...he has no credibility but he is becoming a big pain in the ass and I just figure the less media attention he gets the better and the best thing I can do is help support the democratic ticket and in any conversation and discussion of where Nader comes up, I completly discredit him...

Has anyone seriously had any friends or aquaintances that voted for Nader before that will do it again? I don't...I even have a friend whose kid is an anarchist if anything and she had sworn that if she did vote, it would only be for Nader and last week she saw F 9/11 and said that she and other friends recognize the severity of the situation in our country and that none of them including herself will vote for Nader because its a vote for Bu$h/FUCheney. They are going to vote Kerry/Edwards.

Meanwhile I personally gave the max I could to the Kerry campaign and am now involving myself in everything from letter-writing campaigns to organizations like CodePink http://www.codepinkalert.org , The MMOB http://www.themmob.org , The MOB http://www.mob.org , 1000 Flowers http://www.1000flowers.org and MoveOn http://www.moveon.org

I figure Ralph Ego Vader is on the dark side and since we are battling the dark side as a whole, I'm letting the "Force" guide me...

That's why my name on DU is Pachamama - the Quechua word from the natives in the Amazon for "Mother Earth"...they believe in the collextive dream and energy "creating" not destroying...I'm doing that with mine and so should all we...

But that said, if you feel like giving Vader and the Repukes a FU Haiku to let off steam, do it if it feels good...I do..and I DU :)

:kick:

[progressivebydesign]

5. The "volunteers" are probably PAID signature gatherers. N/T

[rastignac5]

8. Nader is a Republican stooge n/t

[belle]

37. He's an egomaniac, pure and simple. Always has been...

it's just that in the past the stakes were never this high; and he probably didn't feel so desperate to get attention. he's getting old, y'know. this is probably his last chance to MAKE A DIFFERENCE. doesn't matter *what* the difference is...just so it's All About Nader.

[Democat]

9. Nader is working for and with the Republicans

Does anyone doubt what is going on anymore?

[dryan]

10. Nader's appearance on "Meet the Press"

Sorry this is late but I didn't get to see MVP until last night (Monday). Nader was interviewed by Andrea Mitchell. It was really sad. MVP showed proof that he is accepting money from prominent Republicans and also asked him to justify calling Michael Moore "fat". He used to be such a great patriot. What the hell happened?

[CWebster]

11. He is still a great patriot

compared to the Democratic party.

Whose views come closer to your own--Nader or Kerry? Whose views come closer to Bush--Nader or Kerry?

Without the present propaganda fog, history may reveal Nader, like Thomas Paine, to have been shunned in his own time, but holding up in the test of time.

[rastignac5]

12. Voting for Nader is a luxury that Iraqis can't afford. n/t

[CWebster]

14. Wasn't like Nader would've given Bush a blank check

You can bet on that.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

17. Easy to defend that record...he doesn't have one

Speculate all you want...you cannot prove what he would have done.

[Neshanic]

13. Tell him to come out of the closet, then we will talk about his place.

[CWebster]

16. That was little more than dirt. nt

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. OH BULLSHIT!

If Nader believes all those things then why weren't they GOOD ENOUGH for HIS employees? Huh? Why weren't HIS employees paid a living wage? Why did he block unions from HIS businesses?

Some people are seduced by populist rhetoric. Namke ONE FUCKING THING NADER HAS DONE since the late 70's for anyone but himself. Name ONE SINGLE RESULT he has produced.

[CWebster]

18. Freedom of information act.

For one.

But you have spread your histrionics historically throughout the threads whenever the subject comes up. The responses never interest you.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

19. It was passed in 1966...

Guess you can't find a result that occurred in this lifetime so you have to resort to pithy little attacks.

[CWebster]

20. Oh, were you personally tasking me?

Nader has done more than Kerry ever has accomplished in his entire Senate career. Why don't you list the bills Kerry has introduced--in any year.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

21. It would take up too much bandwidth

That post indicates pure propaganda and ignorance of the actual facts...he has authored or coauthored over 350 bills...

[CWebster]

22. Kerry is known to be in the shadow of Kennedy in this respect

Which is why you can't offer anything substantial.



http://www.gpnj.org/nosale.html

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

23. Not that you'll bother reading it

http://kerry.senate.gov/bandwidth/issues/legislation.html#

[Tippy]

24. "People trust that man because they know he's not for sale."

Nader was bought and paid for in 2000 and now again in 2004....I just wonder what his price was...it's is a lot more than what he is getting through the campaign you can bet on that...

[oldcoot]

25. If Bush wins a second term, Nader will lose everything

he supposedly cares about. This administration has slowly been weakening the environmental laws and supports malpractice "reform." If Bush gets a second term, there is a good chance that we will see drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and even weaker environmental restrictions on corporations.

Since Nader has already expressed some admiration for Edwards, he could now bow out of the race gracefully.

[NNN0LHI]

41. He won't lose his tax cut for the wealthy that Chimpy gave him n/t

[Demoiselle]

29. Thomas Paine, Webster?!!!

Like it or not, we're stuck in a war here, right now, for the soul of our country. And, like it or not, the only man capable of sending King George back to Waco is John Kerry. If you must do Revolutionary War analogies, I think a better match for Nader would be Benedict Arnold.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

30. Amen!

[CWebster]

32. Thomas Paine died in poverty, despised.

Stuck in a war that Kerry voted to support and suggests that we need to send more young men.

[Demoiselle]

44. The war I'm talking about..

isn't in Iraq or Afghanistan. It's here in the USA and the right wing has been waging it for years.

[Roy]

34. Hmmmmmm....

Whose views come closer to Naders...... Bush or Kerry?

Why is he willing to sabotage Kerry's' candidacy and help George Bush's' candidacy?

[Tuttle]

49. Excellent point!

Vader is a parasite that is being bred (with glee) by neo-cons. The parasite is going to feed off of Kerry: any questions?

Oh yeah, whose $$$ comes closer to Vader's bank account.... Bush's or Kerry's???

Tut-tut

[belle]

38. Don't know about his views, but his *actions* aren't patriotic. Selfish,

more like. Who is this serving? Who is this helping? Not the Green Party. Not any of the ideas he fought to put in place, since Bush is busy tearing them all down.

[NNN0LHI]

40. What in the fuck you are smoking CWebster?

May I suggest you set that baby in the ashtray for a while. Sheesh.

Don

[saracat]

48. Great Patriot?

Nader LIED in 2000 when he stated"that if the election were close, I would withdraw and give my votes to Gore".He knew it was close, stayed in and threw the race to Bush.Anyone who did such a thing to our country, and worked in cahoots with the repugs to abolish democracy, by taking away the right to vote, is NO PATRIOT. He is a traitor. And that as well as his egomanical run for office in 2004 has done the job of obliberating anything else good he may have done over the years.Nader should be in handcuffs with Ken Lay!

[VOX]

53. Nader *was* a great patriot. But with 2000 and his intentions for 2004,

he is in great danger of entirely obliterating his legacy.

If he continues in his folly, he will not be remembered as an advocate for the people, but rather as an egomaniacal enabler of the destructive corporate right wing.

[Imperialism Inc.]

26. If he has to do this to get on the ballot...

will it matter?

Why be afraid of this guy? The people folks are afraid of him "stealing" from Kerry aren't working to get him on the ballot. Why would they change thier minds if he does get on?

[belle]

39. Because he's specifically campaigning in swing states.

Do you understand? If he'd wanted to help an alternative left-wing party gain a voice, he'd have stuck with the Greens and campaigned most heavily in California and New York and other "safe" states. Instead, he's running solo and deliberately acting as a spoiler.

[Ganja Ninja]

27. I hope that just half of the repub's working for Nader vote for him.

I seriously doubt that he will attract many votes from greens or democrats this time around. These people are either desperate to help Bush or they're desperate for a non-democratic alternative to Bush.

[Roy]

33. The Harm that Nader Could cause.....

"I seriously doubt that he will attract many votes from greens or democrats this time around. These people are either desperate to help Bush or they're desperate for a non-democratic alternative to Bush."


If Nader is on the ballot in states with rigged E-voting machines. The harm could be that the republican hackers could divert just enough votes from Kerry to Nader to steal electoral votes while staying under the radar.
It is much better for Nader to stay off the ballot this time around, and seek change from within the party, if in fact the left is still his ideological bent.

[Pachamama]

54. Yikes! I never thought of "Vader's" impact on the e-voting issue....

...what does Bev Harris say about that?....wow...that is a scary but real thought....

:scared:

[Emboldened Chimp]

28. There you go, Naderites

He's in bed with the Republicans, which means if you vote for him, you are too.

[Frances]

31. Nader-Vader-Sadder

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

35. blah, blah, blah

nader is not a republican. this knee-jerk demonization sounds like something that would happen at freerepublic

[dryan]

36. I didn't mean to make it sound ...

like I am questioning Nader's patriotism. That was not my intent. I think he is becoming another Harold Stassen.

[bagnana]

42. why is it knee jerk if he is embracing republican assistance

and accepting petition names from them?

[NNN0LHI]

43. Please don't bring up the details. Some people can't handle the truth n/t

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

45. Nader embracing RNC equals embracing Bush

and those who embrace Bush are, by osmosis, corrupted. MKJ

[westhollywooddem]

46. Nader is so fucking tired

that who gives a shit what he thinks and who votes for his tired ass?

He has no support from the greens. He will get on one ballot if he is lucky. He is a tired old man who has bilked money from his non-profit organization and is now quite wealthy according to smokinggun.com.

I have no respect for any losers who votes for that horrid man who cost us the White-house in 2000.

Nader has no influence. What a prick.

[saracat]

51. I am from Arizona

and helped verify the signatures on Naders petitions. Over 75% of them were bad and guess which signatures were good?Republican Precinct Committepersons. Enough said?

[steely]

47. Any dollar the repugs give Ralph, is one less they have.

Both the dems and the repugs can afford the distraction. While I believe his intentions are noble, he gets twice the bang for the buck - but I wouldn't say he's in their "pocket".

[Earth_First]

52. Is Nader still scamming college student's out of activities fees...

...to fund his PIRG's?

[NNN0LHI]

55. kick