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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 11:04 AM
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50 000 troops in Gulf illness scare
All 50 000 troops who served in the first Gulf war might have been exposed to low levels of chemical warfare agents during the fighting and its aftermath, a United States investigation has suggested.

The implication of a Congressional report that large numbers of civilians and troops in Iraq and neighbouring countries could have been exposed will galvanise the controversy over illnesses suffered by more than 5 000 British veterans since 1991 that have been linked to their service in the Gulf.

The report indicates that possible chemical contamination of troops could have been much more widespread than suggested by previous official government estimates, based on US research for the Pentagon and CIA.

http://www.mg.co.za/Content/l3.asp?ao=67713

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Redhead488 Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 11:07 AM
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1. Note that is only British troops
We had a LOT more there
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 11:20 AM
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2. Are they suggesting Saddam used Chemical weapons?
I was under the impression that most Gulf War syndrome could be attributed to DU
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treepig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 11:32 AM
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4. no doubt just testing the theory if something is said a million times
. . . it magically becomes true.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 12:05 PM
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6. No, but
Hussein did have lots of CW and BW back then. We blew a lot of it up during the war. So CW and BW joined DU, oil smoke and questionable vaccines as effectors within the troop populace. 'Gulf War Syndrome' is an amalgamation of many factors, which is why it has been so easy for the scumbags to say it doesn't exist. GWS has 50,000 different symptoms, depending on the troop and the exposure.
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 11:21 AM
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3. Not to mention Depleted Uranium
From Depleted Uranium: How the Pentagon Radiates Soldiers & Civilians with DU Weapons, Chapter 5 - "Collateral Damage: How U.S. Troops Were Exposed to DU During the Gulf War" (compiled and edited by the Depleted Uranium Education Project International Action Center)

"One of the legacies of the 20th Century will undoubtedly be the frightening evolution of weapons capable of killing or injuring large numbers of people both during and after their intended wartime use. With the passage of time, the variety of these weapons only grows: chemical and biological agents, land mines, nuclear weapons, and poisonous herbicides. In the wake of the Persian Gulf War, we must add to this list weapons made of a nuclear waste product called depleted uranium."

more: http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/fahey.htm

Also see:
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/180333p-156685c.html -
"Poisoned? Shocking report reveals local troops may be victims of America's high-tech weapons" by Juan Gonzalez, NY Daily News, April 3, 2004.
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MurrayDelph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 11:57 AM
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5. And the experiments upon our soldiers
from the "mystery meat" injections they received (but didn't get listed on their shot records) before going. One of my co-workers contracted Crohns (which is the disease my sister died from) immediately after Desert Storm. And a good friend recently died from fibromyalgia.

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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 02:34 PM
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10. Injections
What?? :wtf: This is the first I've heard of these mystery injections. Truly disgusting. Has this made it into the media?
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 04:28 PM
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11. Long story.
I developed TB while in service. Years later at VA hospital I was told I was probably infected by experimental anti-TB shot. I asked for more information. The pulmonary technician said "I never told you that." But a little research tells me that in the United States captive groups are often subjects of 'Medical Trials' without informed consent.

180
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 04:48 PM
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13. DIED from Fibromylgia! I didn't know you can die from that?
Can you tell us more about it? I know someone with Fibromylgia.

Also...my college room mate's son was in GWI and he got Crohns disease after he came home.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 06:29 PM
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15. Yep. Vaccination city: experiment on the expendable.
Crohns in my family too: Mom suffering from it and her brother died of it. My sister has it too.
Sympathies to you.
...and our troops.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 12:21 PM
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7. given the way they calculate things here?
anything is possible.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 12:23 PM
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8. Right. If chemicals were used, we did the using.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 12:47 PM
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9. maybe not the using, but definitely the supplying
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/03/119547.php

excerpt:

During the Iran-Iraq war, Iraq received the lion's share of
American support because at the time Iran was regarded as the
greater threat to U.S. interests. According to a 1994 Senate
report, private American suppliers, licensed by the U.S.
Department of Commerce, exported a witch's brew of biological
and chemical materials to Iraq from 1985 through 1989. Among
the biological materials, which often produce slow, agonizing
death, were: 

* Bacillus Anthracis, cause of anthrax. 

* Clostridium Botulinum, a source of botulinum toxin. 

* Histoplasma Capsulatam, cause of a disease attacking lungs,
brain, spinal cord, and heart. 

* Brucella Melitensis, a bacteria that can damage major
organs. 

* Clostridium Perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria causing
systemic illness. 

* Clostridium tetani, a highly toxigenic substance. 


Also on the list: Escherichia coli (E. coli), genetic
materials, human and bacterial DNA, and dozens of other
pathogenic biological agents. "These biological materials
were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of
reproduction," the Senate report stated. "It was
later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United
States were identical to those the United Nations inspectors
found and removed from the Iraqi biological warfare
program." 

The report noted further that U.S. exports to Iraq included
the precursors to chemical-warfare agents, plans for chemical
and biological warfare production facilities, and
chemical-warhead filling equipment. 

The exports continued to at least November 28, 1989, despite
evidence that Iraq was engaging in chemical and biological
warfare against Iranians and Kurds since as early as 1984. 

The American company that provided the most biological
materials to Iraq in the 1980s was American Type Culture
Collection of Maryland and Virginia, which made seventy
shipments of the anthrax-causing germ and other pathogenic
agents, according to a 1996 Newsday story. 

Other American companies also provided Iraq with the chemical
or biological compounds, or the facilities and equipment used
to create the compounds for chemical and biological warfare.
Among these suppliers were the following: 

* Alcolac International, a Baltimore chemical manufacturer
already linked to the illegal shipment of chemicals to Iran,
shipped large quantities of thiodiglycol (used to make mustard
gas) as well as other chemical and biological ingredients,
according to a 1989 story in The New York Times. 

* Nu Kraft Mercantile Corp. of Brooklyn (affiliated with the
United Steel and Strip Corporation) also supplied Iraq with
huge amounts of thiodiglycol, the Times reported. 

* Celery Corp., Charlotte, NC 

* Matrix-Churchill Corp., Cleveland, OH (regarded as a front
for the Iraqi government, according to Representative Henry
Gonzalez, Democrat of Texas, who quoted U.S. intelligence
documents to this effect in a 1992 speech on the House floor).



The following companies were also named as chemical and
biological materials suppliers in the 1992 Senate hearings on
"United States export policy toward Iraq prior to Iraq's
invasion of Kuwait": 

* Mouse Master, Lilburn, GA 

* Sullaire Corp., Charlotte, NC 

* Pure Aire, Charlotte, NC 

* Posi Seal, Inc., N. Stonington, CT 

* Union Carbide, Danbury, CT 

* Evapco, Taneytown, MD 

* Gorman-Rupp, Mansfield, OH 


Additionally, several other companies were sued in connection
with their activities providing Iraq with chemical or
biological supplies: subsidiaries or branches of Fisher
Controls International, Inc., St. Louis; Rhone-Poulenc, Inc.,
Princeton, NJ; Bechtel Group, Inc., San Francisco; and Lummus
Crest, Inc., Bloomfield, NJ, which built one chemical plant in
Iraq and, before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in August 1990,
was building an ethylene facility. Ethylene is a necessary
ingredient for thiodiglycol 

In 1994, a group of twenty-six veterans, suffering from what
has come to be known as Gulf War Syndrome, filed a
billion-dollar lawsuit in Houston against Fisher,
Rhone-Poulenc, Bechtel Group, and Lummus Crest, as well as
American Type Culture Collection (ATCC) and six other firms,
for helping Iraq to obtain or produce the compounds which the
veterans blamed for their illnesses. By 1998, the number of
plaintiffs has risen to more than 4,000 and the suit is still
pending in Texas. 

A Pentagon study in 1994 dismissed links between chemical and
biological weapons and Gulf War Syndrome. Newsday later
disclosed, however, that the man who headed the study, Nobel
laureate Joshua Lederberg, was a director of ATCC. Moreover,
at the time of ATCC's shipments to Iraq, which the Commerce
Department approved, the firm's CEO was a member of the
Commerce Department's Technical Advisory Committee, the paper
found. 

A larger number of American firms supplied Iraq with the
specialized computers, lasers, testing and analyzing
equipment, and other instruments and hardware vital to the
manufacture of nuclear weapons, missiles, and delivery
systems. Computers, in particular, play a key role in nuclear
weapons development. Advanced computers make it feasible to
avoid carrying out nuclear test explosions, thus preserving
the program's secrecy. The 1992 Senate hearings implicated the
following firms: 

* Kennametal, Latrobe, PA 

* Hewlett Packard, Palo Alto, CA 

* International Computer Systems, CA, SC, and TX 

* Perkins-Elmer, Norwalk, CT 

* BDM Corp., McLean, VA 

* Leybold Vacuum Systems, Export, PA 

* Spectra Physics, Mountain View, CA 

* Unisys Corp., Blue Bell, PA 

* Finnigan MAT, San Jose, CA 

* Scientific Atlanta, Atlanta, GA 

* Spectral Data Corp., Champaign, IL 

* Tektronix, Wilsonville, OR 

* Veeco Instruments, Inc., Plainview, NY 

* Wiltron Company, Morgan Hill, CA 

The House report also singled out: TI Coating, Inc., Axel
Electronics, Data General Corp., Gerber Systems, Honeywell,
Inc., Digital Equipment Corp., Sackman Associates, Rockwell
Collins International, Wild Magnavox Satellite Survey, Zeta
Laboratories, Carl Schenck, EZ Logic Data, International
Imaging Systems, Semetex Corp., and Thermo Jarrell Ash
Corporation. 

Some of the companies said later that they had no idea Iraq
might ever put their products to military use. A spokesperson
for Hewlett Packard said the company believed that the Iraqi
recipient of its shipments, Saad 16, was an institution of
higher learning. In fact, in 1990 The Wall Street Journal
described Saad 16 as "a heavily fortified,
state-of-the-art complex for aircraft construction, missile
design, and, almost certainly, nuclear-weapons research."


...more...
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 04:35 PM
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12. We blew up a lot of ammo dumps in Gulf War 1
Had a friend who was upwind. He said a lot of our troops were down wind.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 05:00 PM
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14. No wonder Bush* was so sure they had chemical weapons!
Edited on Fri Jun-11-04 05:03 PM by Anti Bush
Our lovely American Corporations sold them to Iraq. But of course we all knew that already!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-04 11:23 PM
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16. Wasn't it Bill Maher that said the reason we know they have
wmd's is because we kept the receipts.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 12:58 AM
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17. UK plans hearings on illnesses linked to first Gulf war
An independent inquiry into whether more than 5,000 veterans of the first Gulf war became ill as a result of their service was to be announced yesterday.

Lord Lloyd of Berwick, the former law lord, was expected to conduct hearings in London on the veterans' reports of illnesses over the next few months. The hearings pose a political dilemma for the UK government, which has refused to authorize a public inquiry for six years.

He is expected to invite current and former ministers, civil servants and health and scientific experts as well as veterans to establish the medical consequences of service in that war.

Lord Lloyd has announced his determination to begin with no preconceptions about the veterans' claims that they were made ill, but said he believes an inquiry will help settle relations between former service personnel and the Ministry of Defense.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/06/15/2003175140
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