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maddezmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 03:47 PM Original message |
Venezuela's Chavez to Face Referendum: election Body |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. It'll probably be better for Chavez to win the recall vote than to have |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 03:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Lots of fun indeed. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 04:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Update on upcoming events: |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 04:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Damn it Jim. Those clever evil bastards. n/t |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 04:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. The only time I ever saw the good guys get a favorable bounce was |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 04:49 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Further BBC update |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. The August 8th date has been reported in so many places |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Except that noone yet knows |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 04:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Of course this could all be the perfect pretext |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. But how many times does this guy have to win an election before the super- |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Which reminds me |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. No, not yet.... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. see post #3 |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Nevermind |
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Mika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
6. Venezuela's elections council PROJECTED |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. I hear ya, however, |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
9. Good, Good. |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I wonder about |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. No. I get the impression that they announced that they crossed the ... |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Ah, OK n/t |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Seriously. Invasion by Columbia must be a last resort. So they've bought.. |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. I know, |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
23. I have a feeling this thread is going to explode soon. |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Can you feel the breeze? n/t |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 06:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. They haven't held the election yet. |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 06:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. So has the opposition |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. That Chavez hasn't proven that he respects democracy |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. He proveed his respect for democracy |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Is that the standard--not shooting people? |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. What about the fact that |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. That would be convincing |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 07:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Yet the report notes |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 07:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. The regulations and proposed legislation are probably more damning |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Normally I would agree |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 07:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Best to nip these things in the bud |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 08:39 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Good summary. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 07:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. It Is A Tolerable Rule Of Thumb, Mr. Tragedy |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 07:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. It's not how one enters power, |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Sounds pretty. But, is totally irrational and unrealistic. Sorry. n/t |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 07:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Actually, it's perfectly rational. |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 07:38 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Well in that case I expect you |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. No final judgment |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 07:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. There Is, Of Course, Sir, Much More To It Than That |
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Just Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 08:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Very poignant, there, Magistrate!!! Thank you! *smile* |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 09:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. My Pleasure, Ma'am |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 11:22 AM Response to Reply #48 |
74. As I said, Chavez is NOT a dictator |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 11:45 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Then What Is Your Problem With The Man, Sir? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 12:07 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. My problem is not so much |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 12:20 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. He Will Not, Sir |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 12:29 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. I agree with the first paragraph |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 12:40 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. Peacefully, are you shittin' me? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 01:09 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. Any Government, Sir |
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JohnLocke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 08:00 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. I think Locke is applicable. |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 10:36 PM Response to Reply #103 |
111. It Seems To Me, Sir |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 08:05 PM Response to Reply #90 |
104. "Peacefully"? n/t |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 08:24 PM Response to Reply #90 |
106. Remember windansea's picture of the protests: |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-05-04 01:10 PM Response to Reply #106 |
119. That was an interesting time, AP. |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 08:59 AM Response to Reply #47 |
61. Your suspicions don't seem very reasonable to me. |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 09:11 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. This is the kind of shit he has to deal with. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 11:36 AM Response to Reply #61 |
78. First off, |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-05-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #61 |
120. Superior post, MiddleMen. Looks as if you've done more reading |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. How can you stand like that |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 07:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. One has no need of legs |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 02:01 AM Response to Reply #28 |
54. DU'ers already know that he lead opposition to Carlos Andres Perez |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 02:50 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Just found a reference to the massacre ordered by Carlos Andres Perez |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 11:15 AM Response to Reply #55 |
73. Perez was a turd |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-05-04 01:06 PM Response to Reply #73 |
118. Thanks for your input. n/t |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
24. And the oil workers just announced a strike. Didn't they hate Chavez? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 06:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. The union leaders hate chavez. they're in bed with the oligarchs. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Who elected the union leaders? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 08:52 PM Response to Reply #39 |
52. Management. |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I can't find a link on that. |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-03-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
49. That report is bogus. Completely bogus |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 04:31 AM Response to Original message |
56. Unexpected remarks carried in rightwing-pandering Miami Herald |
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Vladimir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 05:06 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Hmmm... one wonders who they |
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 08:41 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. The Miami Herald was saying that the Venezuelan Gov't owns a 28% stake |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
58. This is great news |
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The Blue Knight (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 08:57 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I think this is good news for Chavez |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 10:45 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. If he is popular he has absolutely nothing to fear |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 10:55 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. I used to think popular presidents who had commited no crimes |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 11:35 AM Response to Reply #69 |
77. Although he was impeached, he was not removed |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 12:27 PM Response to Reply #77 |
89. Freddie Freddie Fred Fred, my man, no shit, really? |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 09:06 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. It is sad that that is all you have to say for yourself. (nt) |
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Guy Whitey Corngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 09:18 AM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Is that you Pauly Shore? n/t |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 03:25 PM Response to Reply #64 |
100. Nope |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 09:46 AM Response to Reply #58 |
65. You could say he will win by a landslide AGAIN. n/t |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
66. The story in the British press: |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
68. Yesterday -- Attack Stirs Venezuelan Tension Before Vote Decision |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 10:56 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Probably the same members of the opposition who murdered people |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 11:01 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Quite the assumptions. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. In my opinion, it's quite the assumption that they're Chavez supporters, |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 12:30 PM Response to Reply #75 |
91. It is not necessary to make any assumption |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 12:43 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Exactly. |
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. It was also widely reported that pro-Chavez gunmen were shooting at |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 03:29 PM Response to Reply #91 |
102. It's naive to believe that the opposition wouldn't do this. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 09:24 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. It's also naive to believe that pro-Chavez people wouldn't do this. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 10:18 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. I'm talking probabilities. Given what has happened in the past in VZ, |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-05-04 12:18 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Not probabilities, but what you want to believe. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Also yesterday -- Agents found in vault with recall petitions |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Sound like it might have to do with this: |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 12:45 PM Response to Reply #76 |
96. That story was reported in a number of places. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 03:27 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. It's not like any American media has been anything but anti-Chavez. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 09:23 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. If you say so... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. Truth: NYT published a pro-coup editorial day after the coup. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-05-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Anecdotes will get you nowhere. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-05-04 12:37 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. In what way would you say AP's post is anecdotal? n/t On 2nd thought.... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-05-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
116. You left out part of the article which is equally important |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
80. dammit |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 11:59 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Except that people in California |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 12:04 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. wow, an Arnold apologist |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 12:09 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Bite me. |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 12:20 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. and he won fair and square |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 12:23 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. The recall was a reaction against |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 12:34 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. Not so sure..... |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
85. Chavez says he'll accept likely recall |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 12:32 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. giving in like Gore and Davis |
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Absolutely - he seems downright confident |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-04-04 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
105. So much for "Chavez interfering with democracy"... |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-05-04 12:21 PM Response to Reply #105 |
114. Yeah, sure, you betcha. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-05-04 12:26 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. It would be better to see some links to bear out your pronoucements. |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-05-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #114 |
121. That's ridiculous... |
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