Weird info about botched bank robbery here in Tulsa yesterday

[mike1963]

Sorry, have no link or proper subject, this is just now on KOTV local station. Quick summary: 2 men, father & son went into a bank at 71st & Yale yesterday to rob it...the security guard, 36 year old small fellow got into a gunfight with them, he wounded both of them but they shot him dead, were captured a few hours later.

Now the police are saying they have evidence these 2 guys were trying to get money to finance some sort of plot to kill 'federal people' in vengeance for the Branch Davidian fiasco in Waco. Maybe there will be more soon at http://www.kotv.com or http://www.ktul.com or http://www.kjrh.com

The tulsa newspaper (World) might but I refuse to go there because they make you pay to read anything except headlines & classifieds.

Anyway if this doesn't meet LBN guidelines, mods zap it if you wish.
Just thought it was weird enough to mention.
:eyes:

[KamaAina]

1. And now, the rest of the story...

http://www.kotv.com/main/home/stories.asp?whichpage=1&id=62939

New information about the suspects in a fatal Tulsa bank robbery. Tulsa Police say the robbery Monday afternoon at the MidFirst Bank at 71st and Yale might have been just the first step in a larger, grander plan. One that might target those who took part in the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidian complex in Waco, Texas.

News on 6 crime reporter Lori Fullbright says Tulsa Police say the robbers are father and son, Wade and Christopher Lay, 43 and 19 years old. Police say Christopher was the follower, his father, the leader.

No information on whether they might be related to Kenny Boy :-)

[mike1963]

2. Just now on 6:00 news, they're quoting detectives "There is a lot more to

this but we can't go into it now..."

Bizarre...
:eyes:

[DiverDave]

3. Lets see...

They have them on tape, killing a man.
So, tell me why the death penalty is not appropriate here.
They had no problem killing, so they should have no problem with dieing.

[KamaAina]

4. Uh, because they haven't been tried yet, much less convicted?

How exactly did this become a death penalty discussion? I'm more interested in the fringe-right/militia aspects of this right now.

Speaking of which, think how many secrets must have gone to the grave with Tim McVeigh...

[DulceDecorum]

6. Abu McVeigh

WASHINGTON, Feb. 25, 2004
(AP) The FBI believed Timothy McVeigh tried to recruit additional help in the days before the deadly 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and gathered evidence that white supremacist bank robbers may have become involved, according to government documents never introduced at McVeigh's trial.

The retired FBI chief of the Oklahoma City investigation, Dan Defenbaugh, said he was unaware of some evidence obtained by The Associated Press and that the investigation should be reopened to determine whether the robbery gang was linked to McVeigh.

The evidence never shared with Defenbaugh's investigators or defense lawyers includes documents showing the Aryan Republican Army bank robbers possessed explosive blasting caps similar to those McVeigh stole and a driver's license with the name of a central player who was robbed in the Oklahoma City plot.

"If the evidence is still there, then it should be checked out," said Defenbaugh, who reviewed the documents at the request of the AP. "If I were still in the bureau, the investigation would be reopened."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/25/national/main602196.shtml

And, during testimony in his 1997 trial, Aryan Republican Army member Kevin McCarthy, in a question about the "purpose" of the ARA said it existed "to commit terrorist acts against the United States."

"There was no Arab connection to these guys," one source told WND. "They were racists. They didn't like Jews, blacks or other minorities, including Arabs."

In fact, the source – who requested anonymity – said, "everything the ARA did, as well as McVeigh, came right out of the book, 'The Turner Diaries,'" a white supremacist bible that preached a holy war against all non-whites and non-Christians.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23014

To HELL with Jayna Davis.

[JayS]

10. "To HELL with Jayna Davis"

What have you got against Jayna?

[GregW]

5. Hmmm ... nice attempt at "threadjacking"

Maybe we need to start a "death penalty" thread to avoid derailing this one (whose subject is bank robberies used to fund domestic terror groups).

[Just Me]

7. I agree. n/t

[PeaceProgProsp]

11. The camera can't really show you what's going on in their heads,.

And your state of mind -- your intentions -- are the key to determining what crime you committed (and that's if you believe in capital punishment).

I suspect that the majority of death penalty convictions don't turn on whether the defendant actually pulled the trigger, but depend on what the person was thinking at the time (was it cold blooded, pre-meditated, for financial gain, or did you have no intention of doing it, and are you mad as a hatter).

[0007]

8. Hmmmm Mullah Inhofe won't be too outraged with these bad apples!

The folks in Tulsa need to call Mullah Inhofe immediately.

[struggle4progress]

9. Christian terrorists threaten America! eom