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no one in particular Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 06:59 PM
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Conned Big Time (T.J. Wilkinson-Bush story a fraud)

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Conned big time
By DOUG THOMPSON
Jul 9, 2003, 18:05
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Damn, I hate it when I've been had and I've been had big time.

In 1982, while I was working for Congressman Manuel Lujan of New Mexico, a man came up to a me during a gathering in Albuquerque and introduced himself as Terrance J. Wilkinson. He said he was a security consultant and gave me a business card with his name and just a Los Angeles phone number.


More -

Then a friend from the Hill called.

"You've been had," she said. "I know about this guy. He's been around for years, claiming to have been in Special Forces, with the CIA, with NSA. He hasn't worked for any of them and his name is not Terrance Wilkinson."



Full story - HERE

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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 07:02 PM
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1. Some DUers were dubious about
this because of the source. Even without this, we still have the Joseph Wilson revelation, which is legit.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 07:03 PM
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2. something's fishy about this
Is Wilkinson one of Rove's assets?
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 07:04 PM
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3. This might be an op/ed piece
...I'm not sure if this is LBN. But, I will defer, of course, to the supremely sagacious judgement of the mods. In any case, it's a good piece.
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 07:07 PM
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4. This has Rove's fingerprints.....
all over it. This is the sort of thing he does.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 07:14 PM
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5. Yep...they're planting internet stories to discredit Rand Beers
and other insiders who dare to tell. Rove used this same procedure when FORBIDDEN TRUTH came out and they planted that other French book with the outlandish claims but a similar title. They must be EXPECTING more insiders to turn on them.
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aneerkoinos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:50 PM
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12. I don't believe Al Giordano is a Rove puppet!!!
Rand Beers need to come clear on the Dyncorp testimony if Kerry is to have credibility. See Narconews and Giordanos Blog.

More likely I believe Beers is an implant to make Kerry OK for the real powers, who are now ditching Bush.

So DU needs to ditch Kerry and pick Kucinich or if not possible, Dean.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 07:55 PM
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8. Why would he do that?
It just draws further attention to it. Your theory would presume that he'd want to make it seem like a case was made against Junior, then discredit the source and therefore think that this discrediting will taint anyone else proclaiming Junior's complicity.

That's just dangerous. These people know full well that an accusation is as good as proof to many, hence the ongoing Atta Prague crap and the endless Zarqawi-Al Queda-Baghdad hoopla. To allow things like this out are treacherous; they can backfire by inducing other real sources to step forward, and that's not something they'd want to risk.

I'm not dismissing what you're saying, but isn't that awfully risky just to discredit a journalist?
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 07:59 PM
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9. He did it to the guy who wrote....
Fortunate Son...Rove himself gave him misleading stories. This just sounds like the same thing.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 07:20 PM
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6. Dupe
Edited on Wed Jul-09-03 07:21 PM by FlashHarry
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 07:31 PM
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7. It's getting awfully hard to figure just what the hell to believe any more
........
:eyes:
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 08:05 PM
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10. Then who is this other Wilkinson?
From a June 20th New York Times story on searching for Saddam Hussein(via the Oakland Tribune reprint of the story: <http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,1413,82~1865~1467084,00.html>


It has been known that Task Force 20 has led the hunt for chemical and biological weapons. But the unit's role in trying to determine the fate of Saddam has not been previously disclosed. Some officials have suggested that the efforts are linked and that he or his sons left power with a precise knowledge of Iraq's weapons program."

"Task Force 20, the military organization that defense officials said had been charged with conducting the search, reports to the Central Command and its leader, Gen. Tommy R. Franks. The Central Command has only recently acknowledged the existence of Task Force 20, and and a spokesman for the U.S. Central Command, James Wilkinson, said he would not comment on the special military team or its mission. But other United States officials said the team was being supported by several intelligence agencies, including the CIA, and was organized to allow it to act quickly on intelligence gathered by satellites and electronic eavesdropping." "J. (James) Wilkinson", in Iraq, linked (by the story at least) to the CIA and the hunt for WMD.



Maybe contacting the Oakland Tribune could turn something up.



Wilkinson, if this story is true, is a most serious threat to the White House spin machine.





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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 08:34 PM
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11. is it just a coincidence that
Wilkerson sounds so much like Wilson?

I don't know, but in a nation which believes Saddam was involved in 9-11, I wonder.

It it just a coincidence that the "story" on Wilkerson is that he was with Bush, while Wilson claims he was with Cheney on the uranium issue?

Again, I don't know, but it sure makes me wonder.

...will the next leak to fail to pan out be named Barry Rand?

when this was posted yesterday, I asked what the basis was for the info on Wilkerson, other than Thompson. No one could give any.

maybe this is a good lesson for all, including me, of course.... maintain some skepticism. Don't forget that Poppy has a long history with the CIA as well.

Don't forget the ways in which those around Reagan worked overtime to discredit and smear people who were telling the truth, and those same reporters, some of whom lost their jobs, we later proved correct, and yet there was not wide spread admission of this in the mainstream media.

nevertheless, when Central american countries began to release previously secret documents, the truth was there for all to see.

As it stands at this moment, Wilson and the other ambassador seem to have damaging information which the White House is trying to control and discredit.

This story on Wilkinson does not diminish the real people who are trying to ask for some truth.

In addition, this Wilkinson story does not diminish the fact that military and intelligence people spoke out, before this invasion, about the problems we would most likely and are now facing.

Including the probability that an invasion would make the world and America less safe.

American credibility in international relations may not matter to some repukes, but whether they want to think it matters or not, it DOES, and the uranium lies have done much to erode our relations and our "PR" battle in the war on terrorism, not to mention the costs to taxpayers via Bush's alienate our allies and invade with lies strategy.


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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:51 PM
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13. Good Comments, Rain Dog....We need to keep our perspective and focus on
what we already know that has been verified......

No use getting thrown off by this one odd story with Capitol Hill Blue.
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tlb Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 01:32 AM
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14. Karl Rove planned this from 1982 ??
Now THAT'S preparedness.
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