'Torture camp' alleged at 2nd detention center

[seemslikeadream]

Saturday, May 08, 2004 - Page updated at 12:06 A.M.

'Torture camp' alleged at 2nd detention center

By Bonnie Adams
Knight Ridder Newspapers

E-mail this article
Print this article
Search archive
Most e-mailed articles


WILKES-BARRE, Pa. — A U.S. resident who was held prisoner by the United States in another detention center in Iraq last year says prisoners there were also beaten and sexually humiliated.

Hossam Shaltout said widespread mistreatment by soldiers in Camp Bucca detention center in southern Iraq was as inhumane as that depicted in recent photos from Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

He described Camp Bucca as a "torture camp," where soldiers beat and humiliated prisoners. He said he saw soldiers tie groups of naked prisoners together. He said they hogtied his hands and legs and placed scorpions on his body.

"American soldiers love scorpions," Shaltout said in an interview arranged by his U.S. lawyer.

Shaltout, a native Egyptian, said he is a Canadian citizen and permanent U.S. resident but hasn't been allowed to return to the United States. Released last May, he's now living in Saudi Arabia and is seeking $350,000 from the government through the U.S. Army Claims Service for "torture and other personal injuries" while at Camp Bucca.

more
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001923300_abuse08.html

sorry if dupe I can't keep all my torure stories straight

[saigon68]

1. Lots more from a Military out of control

Remember "its only a few bad apples"---THE CHIMPANZEE

[bahrbearian]

2. Yeah the 6 on top!

[saigon68]

3. THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF STOPPING THIS OUTRAGE

The news today is about all kinds of feel good stories of how OUR BRAVE SOLDIERS are now being RETRAINED to follow the GENEVA CONVENTION.

[seemslikeadream]

5. FORT HUACHUCA, Ariz. (Army News Service, Feb. 24, 2003

FORT HUACHUCA, Ariz. (Army News Service, Feb. 24, 2003

After briefing Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld on the limited training the intel soldiers had to obtain critical information from Al Qaeda, the Intelligence Center devised a new course to help support the global war on terrorism.

"We're working with new doctrine everyday," Guin said. "We're basically writing our own doctrine on how to do this type of business. A lot of the things we do have never been done before and we're discovering new and better ways to improve the instruction here at the school house for the soldiers who are eventually going to go out and fight this global war on terrorism."

With so much information being taught in a short span, the focus is to get the soldiers ready to go so when they hit Guantanamo, the learning curve will be dramatically decreased. Slavin pointed out two main goals needed to accomplish the mission and keep the learning curve down.

"First, they have to work as teams," Slavin said. "The analysts must support the interrogators. Normally the analysts support the commander, but now they're supporting an interrogator so he can go off and ask the right questions."

He added intel soldiers have done this type of teamwork approach before, but it's specific for Guantanamo because it needed to be reinforced.

"Secondly, for all the analytical work that has to be done, it takes an analyst with a different mindset to go after and find different data," he said. "And for the interrogator, different kinds of approaches are needed for these folks."

As far the future of the course, Slavin said the course will be more global oriented because, "the threat is not just in Afghanistan, it's also in the Philippines and the Middle East."

Also, much of the training in the course will be incorporated in the Warrant Officer Course, Officer Basic Course and other military intelligence specialty courses, officials said. The next ISCT is scheduled for July and will be five weeks long.

http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2004/05/18207.php

Slavin mentioned the three-week course is based upon some shortcomings Custer identified at the camp holding Al Qaeda detainees.

Custer is that Custer Battles? ya think

[seemslikeadream]

6. Who Let the Dogs Out?

What Hersh omits from his description of Phoenix, is that the CIA officers who managed the program relied for their information not on "South Vietnamese Army officers and village chiefs," but on their own unilateral assassination squads, and a gulag archipelago of secret interrogation centers manned by members of the South Vietnamese secret police and contract CIA officers, like the individual who supplied the blacklist for the village of My Lai. Had Hersh included this most important piece of information, the public's attention would have been directed towards the CIA's interrogation practices, and the location and operations of its existing secret interrogation centers in Iraq. But the scandal at Abu Ghoryab, although then well known to insiders, would not have been a sensational scoop.

The Phoenix Program "got out of control," Hersh reported. "According to official South Vietnamese statistics, Phoenix claimed nearly forty-one thousand victims between 1968 and 1972; the U.S. counted more than twenty thousand in the same time span. Some of those assassinated had nothing to do with the war against America but were targeted because of private grievances. William E. Colby, the C.I.A. officer who took charge of the Phoenix Program in 1968 (he eventually became C.I.A. director), later acknowledged to Congress that "a lot of things were done that should not have been done."

http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine05082004.html

[HereSince1628]

4. I think this has passed the "drip, drip, drip" stage...the dam is out

And while I consider myself a patriotic American, a Regular Army veteran of Vietnam, I feel only disgust for the people who treated Iraqi prisoners in this way.

Hey DU'ers!! I DO NOT SUPPORT US TROOPS ENGAGED IN WAR CRIMES!!!!!


Rumsfeld said if it's anybody's fault its his. GREAT! REMOVE HIM!!

And THEN, HIS boss. You know, that misunderestimated SOBarbara with the judgement that isn't worth a longhorn manure patty. It seems THEY ALL were warned LAST YEAR, maybe as early as the first weeks of the war that Iraqi prisoners were being mistreated. And they failed to get discipline under control.

This would be a good point for God, if she exists, to step in and do some intervention.

[Malva Zebrina]

8. I don't either

and I don't buy the "only following orders" thing either.

[saigon68]

7. PENTAGON CENSORSHIP IN FULL MODE MSNBC

Meyers is working overtime to keep the lid on this. According to MSNBC the "PICTURES
AREN'T EVEN IN DC YET"

What a Freaking LIE. They could send a Giga bite of data in 2 seconds for heaven sakes ---do
they believe we are that STOOPID ??

NeoCon Fucking liars posing as Generals



Next week or the week after next the NEOCON Generals plan to let a few select congressMEN
see them..

Then after the congressMEN go on TV with their usual outrage statements THE PENTAGON
will decide what to do next.

I hope the DINOS and others keep the heat on these CRIMINALS IN UNIFORM

[Solly Mack]

9. They were hoping people would forget about Bucca..remember when

those NG were charged last year? I believe it was a NG unit from Penn.

It was posted at DU at the time.

[UpInArms]

10. remember that Tom Ridge was a member of Phoenix in 'Nam

http://www.counterpunch.org/ridge2.html

excerpt:

Ridge was stationed in a coastal village in South Vietnam where his company was involved in what his office delicately refers to as the Army's "pacification" campaign. Pacification was the CIA's reader-friendly word for its extermination of civilian opposition to the US war machine in South Vietnam. Another alias for pacification was the Phoenix Program. It routinely involved sweeps through hamlets to make mass arrests, brutal interrogations, the destruction of villages, napalming of rice fields and wide- spread assassination.

[kentuck]

11. Isaw a report that this camp was worse than Abu Ghraib...

A "freedom fighter" (insurgent)(Iraqi civilian) that had been released was quoted as saying that.