Drifting Away – Quark Moving to India

[kskiska]

My basic software program – QuarkXPress!

Denver-based Quark Inc., one of the nation's best-known software companies, has just built a brand-new facility that will employ 1,000 software and technology workers.

The growth might appear encouraging to the state's ailing tech economy, but there's a key caveat: the center, and the jobs, are in Chandigarh, India.

Quark is among a long line of tech companies now moving jobs or creating new ones in India, China, Vietnam and Singapore in search of cheaper and faster software development, manufacturing or tech support.

The trend appears to be an unstoppable force that infuriates many of Colorado's jobless and worries some economists who say it ultimately may hinder the state's economic recovery.

"This is part of why the economy is still sluggish," said Mac Clouse, director of the Reiman School of Finance at the University of Denver.

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[pruner]

1. QuarkXPress is one of my basic programs too...

but I would hardly call Quark one of the nation's best-known software companies, as this article does.

QuarkXPress isn't even a (DTP) industry standard program.

I know this is all besides the point of the article, however.

[caribmon]

13. Xpress is industry standard

Mac
Quark
Photoshop
Illustrator

This combo is print design industry standard.

Macromedia line for online work

[kskiska]

35. Absolutely industry standard

Those are the big three in every major design studio I've ever worked in from NYC to L.A. However, In this little pocket of the South, it's almost unheard of. People here like Pagemaker, which I don't consider professional. InDesign has made inroads, but now that Quark is releasing 6.0 for System X, Adobe could be stopped from attaining a monopoly. Quark is notoriously arrogant in their customer relations, but their product can't be beat, in my opinion, though I've also used InDesign.

[stanwyck]

38. Don't EVER use Pagemaker

or Ragemaker as we call it. Get familiar with InDesign. Quark is passe. Best program for years. Not any more.

[Frances]

2. I have a great idea

I just signed an online petition that Kerry set up to protest the fact that Bush wants to eliminate overtime.

Does anyone at DU know a presidential candidate well enough to suggest that he set up an online petition to be sent to Congress to do something to stop so much outsourcing?

I read somewhere on DU that the Bush administration has promised India that it will overrule the efforts that some states are making to prevent so much outsourcing.

Even if the online petition does not cause Bush to change his mind, it would be a great way to let people know where Bush stands on the issue.

[agincourt]

3. It always seems,

that we get this mass influx of jobs to foreign countries, when we have a conservative republican in the whitehouse. We always lose some, but it really avalanches when a republican is in the executive branch.

"what we couldn't get with monica we got with osama" ditto anon

[Ilsa]

4. Here's a site to check out for organization...

http://www.toraw.org/

I don't much about this organization, but I found it surfing.

I think Quark is a traitor. I think the owners should have their US citizenship revoked for this act of treason.

We need to start letter writing campaigns to stop this or college grads even will have nothing to look forward to professionally. With nothing to look forward to, there is no point in attending college. It's another plank in the Dumbing Down of America platform.

How do we know our technology, security, and patents will not be compromised? I would think the administration would consider this a national security risk.

[pruner]

5. Quark makes page layout software

nothing to do with national security.

[DemBones DemBones]

12. It's the principle that's at stake, not the products made by an

individual company.

[NYC]

8. You're right. This is serious, and must be stopped

before the entire economy is ruined permanently. When all the jobs go to other countries, what will Americans do for a living?

The only jobs I can think of that MUST be done locally are service jobs: maid, housecleaner, waiter, waitress, laundry worker, sales clerk, etc.

Is the plan to have all Americans living on minimum wage? (which, of course, will drop)

Edit: This WILL affect national security. When we rely on foreign countries for almost everything we need, we will be at their mercy. Suppose we wind up going to war with India, where we are now sending so many jobs? Some of our defense manufacturing is already done in foreign countries.

(I don't see any reason for war with India, but I didn't see a reason for war with Iraq, either. Furthermore, we could go to war with a country with which India sympathizes, and that could cause repercussions. Outsourcing our entire economy is just not a good idea.)

[sandnsea]

17. Investors and their servers

That's America 2020.

Young people, I urge you to learn about investing, international monetary policies, etc. I just can't see much else leading to economic independence for the average American.

My own daughter is in nursing school, which seems secure with good pay. Unless they simply import nurses from foreign countries. Then those wages will drop eventually too.

I know, there I go again, being a henny penny.

[bleedingheart]

24. Sorry to tell you this but Nursing Jobs are also going to

be in-sourced with cheap labor... I wouldn't even be suprised if we shipped all our elderly people over to India for cheap care...

[graphixtech]

6. sad to see

the job losses to Colorado.

At my (service bureau) workplaces, common knowledge is that Quark's customer service has long been terrible. Adobe's InDesign is a better layout program. It even allows import and edit of Quark docs, pdfs, with the much smoother Adobe interface.

[NJCher]

7. yep

Quark is hurting because they are rude, mean, nasty people. I used to have to deal with them when I taught courses with their software and they were always a headache.

Still, the point is that yet another country is out of here. I really wonder what * is thinking when he guarantees India he will not stop the outsourcing. Of course it is a cheap labor conservative payoff to the large corporations who think they'll cut costs this way.


Cher

[theodoliticus]

22. Qwest is another

Very sad for Denver. I would love to move back home to Denver, but probably I wouldn't find a decent job now. The quality of life in the USA is eroded when these companies do this. It is a sort of income redistribution: take from the middle class and give to the rich. Qwest began sending its IT jobs from Denver to India a few years back.

[OneBlueSky]

9. there has to be some penalty . . .

for corporations that have all the advantages of being AMERICAN corporations and then turn around and send all of their jobs offshore . . . first it was manufacturing jobs . . . "Don't worry, technology jobs will replace them!" . . . now it's IT jobs . . . "Don't worry, service jobs will replace them!" . . . yeah, at minimum wage . . . and with all kinds of drug screening and polygraphs and no overtime and lord knows what else . . . can we all see where this is leading? . . . this is just one more example of the corporatocracy of cheap-labor conservatives hell bent on controlling every aspect of American life . . . there have to be penalties for corporations that are unpatriotic, i.e. that emphasize profits at the expense of the communal good . . .

[inthecorneroverhere]

14. yep -

Dem's have gotta start demanding penalties for taking jobs outside the country. Whether they be outright fines, tax penalties, or just revocation of the corporate welfare tax perks, these b*****ds have gotta pay for stealing our jobs!

Dem politicians, quit wimping out on the issue!

[geomon]

19. The democrats are not wimping out...

they are profiting from globalized capitalism just like the rebublicans. THE DEMS ARE IN ON IT TO (NAFTA, corporate donations,PACS, lobbyists) It is the system that is corrupt.

oh...when will people see that the dems and republicans are the same beast.....

[dArKeR]

10. Get used to it. It's not going to stop. 100,000,000 low paid high tech

programmers, analyst, managers and support personel waiting in India, China... In the future Pakistan, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines. Make your plan now because nothing's going to stop it.

Bush should be spending our money on us and our children's training and NOT on MURDERING Muslims for his Military Industrial Holy War.

I am totally flabbergasted that Dems. speak such bullshit in their speeches. 'Forget the Middle class... bla bla bla...' When will one stand up and speak concrete words.

'First we lost our a big chunk or our auto industry, then we lost our ship building industry, then we lost our textile factories, then we lost our electronics components industry, and they said, 'lucky we still have our computer software industry.' Have you lost your brains? We're at the end of the line. The software industry will be gone before the end of the next Presidency if it's the Chimp. As I look you in the eye tonight, I swear to you we will never lose another industry. We will never be defeated by the evil from within! No more bullshit Mr. Chimp. The CEOs have stolen everything else we didn't lose. It's time to open your Harken files Mr. Chimp and let the American people see what you've stolen!'

Where's my hero?
http://darkerxdarker.tripod.com/

[Zech Marquis]

16. I can confirm this

one of my gf's friends is from the Philippines, and she told us yesterday that she is part of the Dell Customer Service section for the US cosutomers..all the way from a phone center in Manila! :argh: Not so long ago, Dell was bragging about their customer srvice reps on a tv ad with the interns, and they certainly didn't look or sound Filipino then!

I'm not knocking the Filipinos or anyone else who are working these jobs--they probably expected to be giving LOCAL suport..but to the US, to such an extent? Meanwhile, so many highly capable US tech workers have to settle for Burger King worse...the companies engaging in this shit should NOT get away with this :argh:

[JCMach1]

27. Not just Dell, I don't know of any large Tech company that doesn't

have at least part of its workforce in either India, the Phillipines, or SE Asia.

[JawJaw]

11. Just Wondering....

When is Mr Bush going to be "outsourced"?

[TreasonousBastard]

15. But it's OUR fault!

The President told us so.

He said it was because we didn't study hard enough and keep up with the latest technology. Like the Indians do.

(I wonder who told him to say that?)

[DagmarK]

18. We really need to start thinking about what the plans are for us.......

For all of us degreed professionals - the white collar workers of America.

Because.....well, they aren't going to house and feed us or give us healthcare.

We aren't going to have jobs to earn money (to live in a shack).

How many service jobs *are* there to do in this country?

*****are they just planning to KILL US??

We aren't just going to go away. And the way they seem to want us to have all those babies.....they expect us to reproduce (that's what marriage is for and all).........

There is no place for us in the society. I think we need to figure out what the grand plan is........

[ikojo]

20. The grand plan...

is to have a class of very well paid professionals (doctors, lawyers, etc) and a class of not so well paid service sector employees. Look at Argentina and you see the future of America.

I don't know who said it but sometime in the 1980s or early 1990s someone said that Americans were going to have to get used to a lower standard of living.

Also, even though I loath the repukes as much or maybe moreso than many on this board, let us not forget that it was Clinton and Gore who were hardcore free traders. They pushed NAFTA through Congress and were working hard on GATT. They also wanted a free trade zone of the Americas but just couldn't get around to that, what with impeachments and all.

Both political parties are complicit in the outsourcing of good paying jobs to cheap labor companies. Big corporations give money to both parties in the hopes that whoever wins election will remember those that brung them there.

[nuxvomica]

21. The ultimate answer to this is the international minimum wage

This is a Gephardt proposal and we should make sure that whoever is the nominee, a plank for an international minimum wage finds its way into the Democratic platform. This should become the major bread-and-butter issue of the 2004 campaign. Forcing the WTO to go along with this would improve 3rd world economies and stop the domestic job hemorrhage.

[sandnsea]

23. And we're tossing Gephardt overboard

A strong labor candidate with a centrist message that will appeal to the masses... and we're tossing him overboard while claiming that this should be the issue of 2004.

:shrug:

[nuxvomica]

25. I'm not tossing him overboard

Gephardt is the candidate singularly qualified to lead the great political battle of this century against the international financial interests that oppose trade unionism and a living wage. And Gep can do it without looking like a socialist.

[MaineDem]

26. Administration assured India

Get a load of this discussion from a few days ago. The Administration told India they will work to stop the banning of outsourcing from the US.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=47040&mesg_id=47040

[LightTheMatch]

28. F*ck 'em. InDesign is much, much better anyway.

N/T

[Atlant]

29. Where does Adobe "create" InDesign?

Quark has really been lagging behind in these last few years,
especially with their appallingly-slow migration to MacOS/X.

Meanwhile, InDesign has been going like gang-busters to catch
up to and then pass Xpress.

If InDesign is still designed in California, that's just another
good reasign to migrate to it now.

Atlant

[sujan]

30. isn't adobe a canadian company

[Atlant]

32. You're (probably) thinking of Corel.

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/main.html

"...Headquartered in San Jose, CA, Adobe is traded on the Nasdaq
National Market under the symbol ADBE."

[sujan]

33. ah...yes, corel...a fading star

[stanwyck]

40. California, Not Canada.

[stanwyck]

Absolutely.

The better graphics people have switched.

[slappypan]

31. fed up with Quark and their arrogance

I am trying to convince my workplace to switch to InDesign. I am making progress.

[FlashHarry]

34. We're seriously looking at it, too.

Everyone here was pissed that it took so long for Quark to build an OSX version. Plus, we use many other Adobe products, so it would seem to make sense to use InDesign as well.

[stanwyck]

36. Use InDesign, instead

from Adobe. Better program. Better people. And it's a California company.

[stanwyck]

37. Use InDesign, instead

from Adobe. Better program. Better people. And it's a California company.

[sam sarrha]

39. NEOCON plan is to put us all in welfare type jobs with no access to change

jobs or advancing, to keep us in a culture of shortage, desperation and few opportunities, other than those provided by the gov. if you don't toe the line you are OUT.. with no possabilities...