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SecularMotion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:23 PM
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Ron Paul Wins Conference Straw Poll, to No One’s Surprise
Source: NY Times

Wildly enthusiastic Ron Paul supporters, including busloads of college students, have been a visible presence at the Values Voters Summit in Washington, so no one was surprised when Mr. Paul won the conference’s annual straw poll of presidential preferences on Saturday.

All of the major Republican contenders spoke on Friday or Saturday at the conference, a pep rally for religious conservatives sponsored by the Family Research Council, the American Family Association and other conservative Christian groups and attended by 3,400 people. Of the 1,983 who voted, 37 percent chose Mr. Paul.

But what turned heads here was the low support registered for the two presumed front-runners for the Republican nomination, Mitt Romney and Gov. Rick Perry. Mr. Romney, who has struggled to win the allegiance of religious conservatives because his stances on abortion and same-sex marriage, received 4 percent of the votes. Mr. Perry, whose conservative credentials are considered nearly impeccable, tied with Michele Bachmann at 8 percent, well behind Herman Cain (23 percent) and Rick Santorum (16 percent).

“The field is still somewhat fluid,” said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, as he discussed the results. The lesson for Mr. Romney and Mr. Perry, he said, is that “the hearts and minds and passions of the values voters are still to be won.”

Read more: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/08/ron-paul-...
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:31 PM
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1. Pretty hilarious. They bused in the PaulBots just for this vote.
Shows you the "value" of the Value Voters Summit. GOP in disarray yet again.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:32 PM
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2. LOL LOL!!! once again Big Ed was wrong he predicted Perry would win
Friday on radio
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:38 PM
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4. If I were listening to Ed and Breitbart...
I would take Ed, 1000% of the time, even if he made an incorrect "prediction"

vs.

the lying, vomiting, spewing LIES of Breitfart.

I'm not even sure what your point is.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:19 PM
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10. Ed seems to think Perry is getting the nomination
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 04:36 PM
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3. Another Straw-Man poll? *yawn*
...if it relates to the GOPBaggers / T.HATERbaggers...just ain't interested.

Where are the jobs Baggers?

Where is our credit rating Haters?

Why isn't the street with the big pothole in front of my house fixed Crazies?

*crickets*

Thought so.
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 05:32 PM
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5. Jeez, they even skew their own polls. If bussing in people is legal than congratulations, you all
Just wasted your time on a meaningless poll. Idiots.
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red dog 1 Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:21 PM
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6. Potus take note!
Ron Paul had good things to say about OWS protestors

Herman Cain's 2nd place, might mean he's not to be taken lightly by Potus

Agreed, "straw polls" don't mean much!
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freshstart Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 11:14 AM
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18. Ron Paul and the Campaign for Liberty backed Scott Walker
http://www.daggerpress.com/2011/02/21/campaign-for-libe... /

Scott Walker...Bush's cousin... Bush speech from 2002 "I want to thank Scott Walker. I call him cousin; after all, I'm George Walker Bush. (Laughter.) At least I call him cousin so long as he's doing a good job. (Laughter.) And they tell me he's doing a fine job. Scott, thank you for taking on a very important assignment, as the Milwaukee County Executive. And we wish you all the best. (Applause.)"

http://www.wisgov.us/bush2/bush2.htm

My guess is Ron Paul's intention is to try to grab voters when he has very little in common with the protesters.
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David Sky Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:36 PM
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7. I reckon if DU members were present at that silly event, the man who
got 0 percent would win first place, Huntsman! and all the rest would be at under 3%...

Of course there are a FEW posters at DU who think Ron Paul speaks to liberal ideals, except when he speaks only to people who like to screw their dog on Sundays and smoke pot doing it.

Another Republican fund-raiser with no purpose.

Take note, though, Romney not doing very well there about 4%...



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red dog 1 Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:57 PM
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9. Ron Paul is as dangerous as any of the other Repukes!
Speaking as someone who does NOT "think Ron Paul speaks to liberal ideals", you have to give him some credit for being the only Repuke who had anything positive to say about OWS ,,"protests were a legitimate effort.."
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 06:52 PM
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8. I wonder what the results would have been without the Paulbots
Tony Perkins needs to take a long walk off a short pier on this one: HIS people picked Herman Cain, who is currently polling ahead of two governors and two Members of Congress (one current and one former in each category) because he's never been elected to office and, as we all know, the number-one qualification for service as the president of the United States is never having even run for city council.

Now, here's the huge problem the Republicans have: Right now, they've got two candidates. One of them is Mitt Romney, whose major advantage is he's capable of beating President Obama in 2012. The other one is in four containers named Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Rick Santorum and Michele Bachmann. There is no substantive difference between any of the four. There's minor differences like Cain's economic plan, which includes the "fair tax" thing that turns every "job creator" into an unpaid Federal revenue agent, but other than that they're all the same.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:49 PM
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22. You forgot to include Newt Gingrich. But then again... so did the "values voters".

Ba Dum Pssh
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harvey007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 07:58 PM
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11. Wow!
The Libertarians really know how to get out the vote.

Could Ron Paul actually win the Republican nomination?
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 08:19 PM
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12. NFW
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 10:05 AM
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19. Defense Contractors and the Establishment GOP will stop him cold
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-08-11 10:17 PM
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freshstart Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:02 AM
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14. Don't buy Ron Paul's lines...do some research on him.
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 09:50 AM by freshstart
I can't believe that anyone who wants to follow the constitution would have been involved in this:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=bgFaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=...

Furthermore, he was a plaintiff on the side of Citizens United:
http://www.law.stanford.edu/publications/projects/campa...

I see what the Ron Paul people are up to, trying to get Dems to switch parties to vote in the GOP primary for Paul. Personally, I think there is a lot more under the surface to Ron Paul. He and his son are on a push to end unions, they both have close ties to "Right to Work" people.

Ron Paul from the Congressional Record in 2001:
But today’s economy is unlike anything the world has ever known. The world economy is more integrated than
ever before. Indeed, the effort by international agencies to expand world trade has had results, some good.
Labor costs have been held in check, industrial producers have moved to less regulated low costs, low tax countries

while world mobility has aided these trends with all being helped with advances in computer technology.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?pos...

He's tied to the Kochs...regardless of what his people say. These are all Koch funded groups on his website:
http://www.free-nefl.com/html/nefl.html

He's been tied to the conservative caucus and Lewis Lehrman for years. Ron Paul wrote the book "A Case for Gold" with Lehrman, and Lehrman was an investor in George Bush's Arbusto Oil. "The roster of prominent partners in Bush's oil ventures could have been extracted from a business world's who's who: drugstore magnate and onetime New York Republican gubernatorial candidate Lewis Lehrman and Lehrman family trusts ($140,500 over a three-year period)"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns...

Lehrman was also involved in PNAC.
http://www.opednews.com/new%20american%20century.htm

And Ron Paul brought Lehrman before his committee this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1ZXnZlESRI

And, Ron Paul has Doug Bandow on his campaign....and he's tied to Cato and criminal Jack Abramoff.
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/dec2005/nf2...

And Ron Paul's has been involved with him for some time. If you think Rick Perry invented that SS was a ponzi scheme, think again. Bandow said it in 2002 on Ron Paul's Freeman website.
http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/uncle-sams-reti... /
So, no...I'm not voting for Ron Paul.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 09:49 AM
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freshstart Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:05 AM
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16. It isn't media hype.
Edited on Sun Oct-09-11 10:33 AM by freshstart
I found all those and more facts through my own research. And, your reasoning makes absolutely no sense. If the media wanted to bury Paul's candidacy, they'd expose the facts that I just did. The media can find all of what I found and more. And yet, I have never seen any of those things exposed in the media. Do a google search...do you see a story on any of those things? You need a reality check. In fact, even Media Matters was pushing a story about Ron Paul saying that corporations weren't people, but I have a copy of radio show where he is saying the opposite. You think Media Matters doesn't know the Paul Plaintiffs included Citizens United? If anything the media is hiding the issues with Ron Paul, not exposing them. And the Kochs were early backers of Ron Paul, I can prove that. Lew Rockwell can spew any shit and you people buy it. I don't.

Personally, I think Conservative Republicans are the problem, not the solution.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-11 10:15 AM
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 12:33 PM
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20. welcome to the site!
thanks for these links
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freshstart Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 07:20 PM
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23. Thanks for the welcome!
Edited on Mon Oct-10-11 07:43 PM by freshstart
I'm happy to share the links.

I get this gut feeling that these people are dangerous.

Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty backed Mike Lee and he wants to repeal the 17th amendment.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2032910,...

"Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, for one, and a bunch of Tea Party Republicans. They have added their voices to a curious campaign: a call to repeal the 17th Amendment, which gave the people the right to vote directly for their Senators.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2032910,...

They say they like to follow the Constitution, until they don't want to follow it.
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freshstart Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-11-11 12:44 AM
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24. Hmmmm....did I hear Rachel Maddow correctly?
Did she say that the poll "owners" didn't want Ron Paul to win and they are saying their own poll doesn't mean anything? C'mon, that doesn't make any sense. Unless of course, they want to make Ron Paul the "victim."

If you take that, along with his websites- they are having a "black out" trying to raise funds due to the "media blackout" - I'd say that is exacly what they are doing.

This reminds me a little too much of the "victim" card they played with Sarah Palin. After she did that interview or whatever with John Ziegler (I think his name is) about how the media treated her unfairly...she got more popular.

They think people will side with the "victim" and their game is getting old.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-11 01:45 PM
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21. "the hearts and minds and passions of the values voters"..... 404 not found.
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