US Will Respond To Chinese Military Build-up

[DeSwiss]

Source: The Telegraph

US will respond to Chinese military build-up
The US said at the weekend it would respond to the rapidly-increasing military
capabilities of China by building up its own strength in the region.


The Telegraph | By David Eimer in Beijing | 3:29PM GMT 09 Jan 2011


Photographs on the internet appear to show China's stealth fighter

Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, was speaking as he arrived in Beijing on Sunday for four days of talks aimed at renewing ties between the US and Chinese armed forces. However his visit has been overshadowed by a series of announcements by the Chinese about the growing strength of their missile technology, naval capabilities and other defence initiatives.

The visit is the first by a US defence secretary since 2000, and comes at a time of heightened tension in the region. It is also almost one year after China suspended military contacts with Washington following arms sales to Taiwan.

With relations between North and South Korea at their lowest point in decades, Beijing has been angered by joint US-South Korean military exercises close to its shores, while Washington is concerned by China's increasing willingness to flex its muscles. Ten days ago, Japan revealed that it had scrambled its fighter jets 44 times in the last nine months in response to incursions into Japanese air space by the Chinese air force.

"I've been concerned about the development of the anti-ship cruise and ballistic missiles ever since I took this job," said Mr Gates. "They clearly have the potential to put some of our capabilities at risk and we have to pay attention to them. We have to respond appropriately with our own programmes."

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8248996/US-will-respond-to-Chinese-military-build-up.html

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- Hmmm.... well if we're gonna "respond" to the Chinese appropriately so as to make sure they know who the boss is, then it looks like we'll need another loan.

Oh. Wait......


DeSwiss






"The first human who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilization." ~Sigmund Freud

[tularetom]

1. With money we borrow from the Chinese?

Yeah, that'll work.

Are we that fucking stoopid?

[glinda]

2. Yes we are.

[emilyg]

4. Yoiu need to ask???

[DeSwiss]

8. An alternate theory.....

...would be that it's a way not to have to pay them back what we already owe.

[Rex]

3. And just when we need to cut the military budget the most.

What a bunch of bullshit...here we go again bankrupting the nation! :eyes:

[DeSwiss]

9. Again?

I'd say that we've been bankrupt for several years decades now. Morally as well as fiscally. And in the process we've proven to the world that bankruptcy is like The Theory of Relativity. Which hardly anyone understands.

- And the MIC would like to keep it that way.....

[Betty Karlson]

19. The Sovjet Union went bust

over over-the-top spending on military build-up that it couldn't afford anymore. Seems like the USA is getting a taste of its own medicin.

[boppers]

5. What, are we going to cut our military budget 20-fold, to match China's?

This is insane.

[Overseas]

6. Yeah! //nt

[DeSwiss]

10. Ssssssssh!

- Someone might hear!!

[David__77]

15. Thank you!

...

[OnlinePoker]

21. Only if you cut the salarys of the nation 20-fold to match the Chinese.

[TatonkaJames]

7. We're playing out the same exact play we perpatrated on the Soviets

They were in a war for a decade in Afghanistan and with our help and aid to those we're now fighting against,
helped to bleed the Soviet Union to bankruptcy, hence the end of the Cold War. (Long story shortened)

We can't learn from that ? What's next ? Start building more bombs and planes that will be outdated when they are finished ?
When will these people get it ? We will fall just like every other empire that didn't accept defeat and the need to work
with other nations for the betterment of mankind so we all survive. And forget about who's the #1 Super Power. We can't hold
that spot any longer. We need to realize our place in the world and that would be a better one of diplomat for the world and not the aggressor.

The people who are involved in the "Project for the New American Century" are all of Bush I and Bush II confidants and their agenda reminds me
of a book I read about JFK when he would have meetings with the Joint Chiefs and they wanted to carry out a preemptive nuclear strike against
the former Soviet Union. Kennedy asked one time how may Soviets would be killed and they responded about 140 Million. When he asked how many
Americans would be killed from missiles they'd get off they replied about 30 million Americans. With that JFK got up and while walking out of the
room said "These people are nuts." It's all in the federal archives for non believers to read.

So as we had the chance for a new beginning on 9/11 when we had the world on our side, we could have gone in a new direction, taken care of those
who perpetrated that act, and then become a willing partner for peace and "helping" other nations, not stealing from them. We could have built a
new road to the future for the world based on peace and all who were against it would have the world against them, not just America.

If......

[DeSwiss]

11. Yep.

- And it's working like a charm.....

"In the historical view, cultural ignorance is more than the absence of knowledge. It is also the result of long term cultural and political struggle. Since the industrial revolution, the struggle has been between capital and workers. Capital won in America and spread its successful tactics worldwide. Now we watch global capitalism wreck the world and attempt to stay ahead of that wreckage clutching its profits. A subservient world kneels before it, praying that planet destroying jobs will fall their way. Will unrestrained global capitalism, with all the power and momentum on its side and motivated purely by machinelike harvesting of profits, reduce the faceless masses in its path to slavery? Does a duck shit in a pond?

Meanwhile, here we are, American riders on the short bus, barreling into the Grand Canyon. With typical American gunpoint optimism, we've convinced ourselves we're in an airplane. A few smarter kids in the back whisper about hijacking and turning the bus around. But the security cop riding shotgun just strokes his taser and smiles. Not that yours truly has the ass to take on the security surveillance state. Hell no. I jumped out the window when the bus shot past Mexico."

http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2010/12/america-y-ur-peeps-b-so-dum.html">~Joe Bageant, "America Y UR Peeps B So Dum?"

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[DeSwiss]

16. Unfortunately you're exactly right.

And on top of that the grass (and all of us down here in it) also gets shat upon by those elephants pretty regularly too. But I think the generals are mere interchangeable cogs of a complex system at this point.

- It's become like watching a surreal reality show. One we can't turn off.

[JDPriestly]

13. Why don't we respond to the fact that China is building up its manufacturing and industrial

sectors while we have destroyed ours before we worry about their military build-up. They are able to build up their military because we buy so much junk from them.

[DeSwiss]

17. Good observation.

On the other hand it would seem that our foreign policy is made in certain Wall Street board rooms. Policies that favor their investment prerogatives. And right now that's more like owning a piece of Facebook, along with a little currency manipulation. And the normal squeezing and toppling of countries.

- Rather than steel mills or solar panel factories.....

[seabeckind]

14. Somebody must have mentioned a Pentagon cut n/t

[DeSwiss]

18. Cut?

- No one knows how much money the Defense Department actually has.

Donald Rumsfeld announced that more than $2 trillion in Pentagon funds had gone missing. He made this astonishing statement on September 10th, perfect timing to keep the story from making any news. More money for the Pentagon, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, while its own auditors admit the military cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends. "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml">link

[Bigmack]

20. I'm pissed... but I'm also planning....

on what I'm going to be able to save from this sinking raft.

There is no fucking way this country can survive staying in the Empire game with it's arms races.

[DeSwiss]

23. There was a time when.....

...I would agree with that assessment. I'm not so certain now. The fact that we're technically bankrupt already and yet nothing's essentially changed doesn't seem to get noticed. And the one thing that makes an empire, an empire is its military superiority. And we've got that in spades. In fact, I doubt if we're showing 50% of our hand.

- In DARPA We Trust.......

[Bigmack]

29. A brain-shot rhino...

will still stagger forward for a ways. Still dangerous, but collapse is imminent, and then he's just a pile of meat!

[lovuian]

22. Dear Mr. Gates a wee bit of advice

perhaps you need to talk to the Universities who have TAUGHT their scientists our technology
Perhaps you need to talk to the corporations such as Google ...and GM etc... and not have handed our technology with the good graces of Congresses permission and President Bush's OK our technology

perhaps we shouldn't have had a lopsided economics for over 10 years using their cheap labor and our US citizens manufacturing jobs
lost

perhaps the dumbing down of our population was a mistake....it makes docile slaves but not very smart soldiers

WAKE up Mr Gates....China has played you like a fiddle

Now its time to pay the piper

China has attacked our computers and knows all about HAARP and their attacks

I don't know if you have figured it out Mr Gates but China is more a concern than Afghanistan and Iraq
which has only served to weaken our America military

Build away Mr Gates and wake up
China is knocking on the gates

[DeSwiss]

24. Agreed.

Although I'd also say that China is the least of the military's worries.

- In the end.

[defendandprotect]

25. China has used the money from trade for their military ... we didn't know this???

[DeSwiss]

27. We knew.....

...but we http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_EnrVf9u8s">weren't all that worried.


- But then hubris never ends well either......

[defendandprotect]

30. Also .....

as I recall this, wasn't Kissinger, Eagleburger ... those guys --

in there selling them arms??????

Not sure -- been a long time since I thought about that era!!

[goforit]

26. US's pre-emptive strikes across the world and Gates is now

concerned that China is building up????
WTF???

WTH does he think????

THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS OVER.

[DeSwiss]

28. No one is allowed.....

...to challenge US. Militarily speaking. Period.


- Everything else in life.... ehhh, not so much......

[goforit]

31. yep yah got that right

[goforit]

32. yep yah got that right