Dan Senor on CNN, arrest warrant issued for Al Sadr

[mike1963]

yikes...

[SilasSoule]

1. Fuel for the fire?

[mike1963]

7. Watching further, it appears the warrant is several months old!

Supposedly for murder, alleges Sadr stabbed a 'rival cleric' - I don't remember hearing about this before.
:eyes:

[Teaser]

15. The as-Sadr boyz murdered al-Khoei

A much more moderate ayatollah. He was (somewhat) in our pocket. His death is what destined Iraq for a death spiral.

[Dhalgren]

17. Oh, yeah, all this blood-letting

is the fault of Al-Sadr. He's just a "killer" an "evil-doer" who has caused all this unrest. He must be a "terrast".

[Teaser]

22. Excuse me...

who said any of that?

This blood letting is the result of a complex constellation of events, precipitated by our invasion.

If there ever was a shot to make the "new Iraq" work, it died with al-Khoei.

And, a brief note. If you're going to type Sadr's full "family" name in English, type it "as-Sadr", which is how "al" is pronounced before certain arabic letters (S -S(a)d being one of them).

And to be sure, as-Sadr is an evil thug. But one who we should have courted (at arms length). We didn't and we're paying.

[Dhalgren]

26. I was responding to this line

"His death is what destined Iraq for a death spiral." It sounded...well...objectionable. The rest was simply my sarcasm.

About the l/s change with usage, is the change an actual change in the writen script or is it a change in the verbal usage? Or both? It's quite interesting.

[Teaser]

29. Didn't mean to get uppity...

I just spent a lot of time studying arabic and arabic politics, so I don't like getting stepped on. :)

Re the linguistic question, it is a change in pronounciation, accompanied (sometimes) by changes in diacritical marks.

technically as-Sadr is spelled alSdr, but the definite article is better regarded as a single morphological unit (like a case ending in english). It is part of the word, and its pronounciation depends on what follows it. Think of it along the lines of the English definite article a/an. We use an before vowels, and a before constants. It's like that in arabic, except they keep the spelling the same regardless (although sometimes certain diacritical marks are placed over the l to let you know there is a doubling of the following letter).

[Teaser]

2. There are no good moves anymore.

This is a terrible move.

Letting him loose is a terrible move.

The sad fact is, we're screwed.

[Vladimir]

35. There never were any

the problem started with sitting down to play the game.

V

[htuttle]

3. Anyone got a match?

:nuke:

[ewagner]

4. Oh-oh

The big question is how will Sistini react to this. Sistini has a far greater following.

[Cooley Hurd]

19. That's the $64,000 question...

Does al Sistani side with the coalition and turn against fellow Muslims, or does he take up arms with Sadr? :shrug:

This is going downhill faster than I ever imagined. :scared:

[Garion_55]

5. Oh yeah, thats gonna go over real well.

Whats going to be worse, finding him and arresting him or killing him on the spot?

[Jacobin]

6. FUBAR. No other way to describe it.

Only SmirkCo and PNAC could have written this script for such a huge disaster and quagmire.

[maddezmom]

34. and I believe that's exactly the way bushco wanst it ~FUBAR~

[daleo]

8. Bremer is insane

Whatever Rummy has must be contagious.

[King_Crimson]

13. Bremer is insane...Rumsfeld is insane...

Biggy Rat's little brother Wolfowitz is insane. Inmates running the asylum! Whaddya wanna bet the three of them get together occassionally and play spin the bottle to see who the pivot man in the circle jerk will be!

[alcuno]

9. It's a Holy War and we're issuing arrest warrants.

Oh wait that Iraqi judge we're paying is doing it. This is so bizarre to listen to.

[RedEarth]

10. Watch out........10,000 in Sadr's militia, many more smypathic.....

blood in the streets.......way to go george, keep up the good work...fool...

[htuttle]

11. Wonder if anyone at the WH has had the term 'al Mahdi' translated?

They might want to have that done, just so they know what they are dealing with.

Hell -- nevermind. Wouldn't stop them anyway.

[alonso_quijano]

12. what does 'al Mahdi' mean in English? n/t

[Teaser]

16. the Mahdi is the arabic equivalent of "Messiah"

The Mahdi is the savior to come at the end of days to defeat the enemies of Islam and save the whole world.

[Bridget Burke]

23. Mahdi 1, "Chinese" Gordon 0

Charlton Heston played General Gordon in the filmed version.

[Dhalgren]

14. How stupid do these neocon shits have to be!?

Do they actually think that going after Al-Sadr, personally, is going to lessen the unrest? What are they idiots!? Well, bad question, I guess. This is pouring gasoline on a fire. Stupid, stupid, stupid...

[Mari333]

18. bring the troops home now.

now.

[IndianaGreen]

20. The charges are false! The incident was posted here a year ago

That incident was widely reported in the foreign press and posted in DU.

A pro-Saddam cleric was the real target of an angry crowd in Najaf when Abdul Majid al-Khoei stepped-in to prevent harm. He was hacked to death by the angry crowd together with the pro-Saddam cleric.

There was no assassination!

[Windy]

21. And who is this Dan Senor

is he the suit on the podium? A GOP/PNAC representative? Quite smug isn't he... Seriously what's his background

[NMDemDist2]

24. WH bio for him

Dan Senor
Advisor to the U.S. Presidential Envoy in Iraq
Dan Senor is a Senior Advisor to Presidential Envoy L. Paul Bremer III, Administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority. Senor traveled to Baghdad in mid-April in one of the first civilian convoys to enter Iraq following the fall of the former regime. He has been serving in Iraq since, advising Amb. Bremer on a variety of policy and communications issues. During Operation Iraqi Freedom, Senor was based at Centcom Headquarters in Qatar, where he was Director of the Coalition Information Center. Senor has also served as a Legislative Aide, Press Secretary, and Communications Director for then-Senator Spencer Abraham (R-MI). Senor completed his undergraduate studies at the University of Western Ontario and Hebrew University of Jerusalem. He earned his MBA from Harvard Business School.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/senor-bio.html

[never cry wolf]

25. GOP hack

Dan Senor
Advisor to the U.S. Presidential Envoy in Iraq
Dan Senor is a Senior Advisor to Presidential Envoy L. Paul Bremer III, Administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority. Senor traveled to Baghdad in mid-April in one of the first civilian convoys to enter Iraq following the fall of the former regime. He has been serving in Iraq since, advising Amb. Bremer on a variety of policy and communications issues. During Operation Iraqi Freedom, Senor was based at Centcom Headquarters in Qatar, where he was Director of the Coalition Information Center. Senor has also served as a Legislative Aide, Press Secretary, and Communications Director for then-Senator Spencer Abraham (R-MI). Senor completed his undergraduate studies at the University of Western Ontario and Hebrew University of Jerusalem. He earned his MBA from Harvard Business School.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/senor-bio.html

SENOR, 32, was a year out of Harvard Business School and working for an investment company in Washington, the Carlyle Group, when he was tapped to come to Iraq. He'd had political experience as an aide to Republican senator Spence Abraham of Michigan during3 the 1990s, but not in dealing with the press. Abraham is now President Bush's energy secretary.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/897plcol.asp

on edit, a very recent article:

Iraq Propaganda Office Packed With Bush Operatives

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Inside the marble-floored palace hall that serves as the press office of the U.S.-led coalition, Republican Party operatives lead a team of Americans who promote mostly good news about Iraq.
Dan Senor, a former press secretary for Spencer Abraham, the Michigan Republican who's now Energy Secretary, heads the office that includes a large number of former Bush campaign workers, political appointees and ex-Capitol Hill staffers.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4345.shtml

[underpants]

32. Pinhead

That was the first impression of him that I got.

[bluedog]

27. yea, like that'll help

it'll just make the hronets nest more dangerous.what the hell has this administration gotten our troops into?...

[milkyway]

28. Shrub serving legal papers? I thought that was only for wimps

like Clinton.

[NNN0LHI]

30. Breaking: Speeding tickets to be issued at the Indy 500 this year n/t

[Frederic Bastiat]

31. Shit it's starting to sound like a bad Hollywood movie n/t

[Mattforclark]

33. That's not smart...

Think please, think. Use your heads.

[Moderator]

36. locking

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