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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 10:20 AM Original message |
Chavez criticizes those "joyful" over rebel's death |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. wonder if St. Hugo is so upset about the people FARC has killed over the years |
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Cirque du So-What (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Wonder if YOU're upset over the people killed by Colombian RW paramilitaries over the years? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. You Know, The Ones Our Tax Dollars Train? |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
44. That makes using children as human bombs... |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 05:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
49. I'll be watching for his reply. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. probably so, along with almost everyone in the region |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
73. FARC and the Colombian government have achieved moral parity |
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TiredOldMan (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
2. So says the guy whose enemies tend to "disappear". |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. wow, you must rely on some fantastic sources |
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Billy Burnett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. By converting them. |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Huh? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Ok please post your verifiable sources that document this assertion |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. You've got some research ahead of you, clearly. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
81. where'd he go? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Oh, yeah! Horrible! He just might sneak up on people in his "car of death." |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #83 |
97. "people who have NEVER been accused of killing political opponents" |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. In a coup against a man who had ordered his military to fire directly into crowds of protesting |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 11:09 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I don't have to bring up Perez, because so few paint him as an innocent. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
27. You have something to back that up? |
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Francesca9 (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #27 |
86. Why are we discussing Columbia? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. So you don't have anything to back up the claim |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
76. You Have One Hell Of An Imagination, Fella.... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
8. He is joyful he is still juicing his family in psoh jobs.. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. "juicing his family in psoh jobs.." |
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Francesca9 (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Chavez is a hypocrite |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. lies! lies..lies |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Where is the hypocrisy? The efforts to deal with crime |
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Francesca9 (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Drug gangs rule Caracas |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Who else will issue press releases? The criminals? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. A Mexican study ranked Colombian cities Medellin and Cali among the top ten most violent in the worl |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
82. why are drugs illegal? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. In mexico city, colombia, or caracas I travel with KER policy and evac insurance |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. Caracas was dangerous BEFORE Chavez. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Thank you for the perspective.The picture they try to paint is as if it only got rough recently! n/t |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. It has been bad forever according to the older reps, |
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SocialistJan (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 06:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. Venezuela had 3.5 times less homicides before Chavez |
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bherrera (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Chavez makes efforts to reduce crime for 11 years |
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SocialistJan (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
53. 3.5 times more homicides since he was elected. 21,000 last year. 3,500 killed by the cops |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 06:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Well, SocialistJan, he's one busy killer, isn't he? Why wasn't Bush blamed for our murder rate? |
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SocialistJan (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 07:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Let's not corrupt the debate with wild allegations |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. By all means, god forbid we corrupt the debate. I trust the Venezuelan voters |
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SocialistJan (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. It's simple facts. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 08:37 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. You have evidence Hugo Chavez has failed to address the social causes of violence? |
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SocialistJan (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. 3.5 times more homicides since he was elected. 21,000 last year. 3,500 killed by the cops |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 09:28 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Simple facts, or deceptive? Cuba has an extremely LOW crime rate. |
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SocialistJan (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 05:49 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Simple facts. No one's linking socialism with criminality. |
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bherrera (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #63 |
78. But the crime rate is indeed a serious problem in Venezuela |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #58 |
89. If you are blaming Chavez for the high crime rate in |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. You mean like our president is a hypocrite because of the violent crime |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Very sharp point you've made. Superb. Thank you. n/t |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
84. Except our violent crime rates are falling |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Really? Tell that to the people of Chicago, eg. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Murder rate down 11 percent in 2009 |
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Sixathome (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
75. Get out of your jar |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 11:54 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. A spelling Nazi, nicht sehr gut |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. no your mispelunks are fine |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Sorry to piss on che jesus the god, his loyal followers will be stirred |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. He'll be there until the Venezuelan people don't elect him again, or someone arranges his murder. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Like I said, when he leaves office he gains my respect. til then he is juicing in |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. " lots of these guys get elected for life" |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. The elections in Venezuela are WAY more honest than ours. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
69. I deliberately set the bar low. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. FDR served four terms, died in office while the U.S. had NO term limits. The Republicans changed it. |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
80. the saintly Che! |
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irislake (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
21. The American MSM is so biased against Chavez |
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bherrera (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
22. it must be bad to see the FARC lose the war |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Actually, Chavez publicly told the FARC it was time to put down their weapons |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Absolutely right. He's been making public statements to them about it. He's very clear. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Sad to see that the millions of dollars spent on propaganda against Venezuela |
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Francesca9 (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Oil was never an issue in Iraq or Venzuela |
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bherrera (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. Venezuela is not a huge oil producing country |
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Francesca9 (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. To understand Chavez you must first know Latin American history |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. What proof do you have Chavez believes he should govern another country? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
62. LOL |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
90. I know it's hard work to do a little research but |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #45 |
70. You have your facts wrong. Number 6 in the world. |
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bherrera (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Venezuela's Reserves means very litte |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
72. It is also a fact that since Chavez became president |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
51. It is clear.... |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
24. Thank you, Chavez for your humanity! |
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Old Troop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
32. By the way, what ever happened to the war between Venezuela and Columbia? |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Any day now... just wait... any day now......... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #35 |
60. Try to keep up. Chavez was invited to meet with Santos |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
34. Hugo's concern is duly noted. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
37. Amazing. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Cheering the death of a FARC leader is not the same |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
64. It's the New Normal. n/t |
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SocialistJan (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
55. No joy for death. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. What information do you have on Jojoy's torture of victims? Could you post a link for DU'ers? |
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Francesca9 (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Wiki does not allege torture |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. I'm still interested in hearing what the evidence is on the torture charge. Thanks. n/t |
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gbscar (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #59 |
85. I'm guessing you think the UN and Human Rights Watch don't know what the word "torture" means.... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Torture Widespread in Colombia, Rights Groups Say |
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gbscar (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Does that somehow make guerrilla atrocities any better or worth ignoring? Not at all. |
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SocialistJan (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. I was thinking more of the assassinations, the bombings, the eternal hostages in the jungle |
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bherrera (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:45 AM Response to Reply #56 |
79. FARC torture incidents |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
94. You are clearly unaware, or just ignoring the Colombian |
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gbscar (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 06:06 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Brutality is brutality, whether it comes from the Colombian government, the FARC/ELN guerrillas... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. People with an agenda, such as the U.S. mainstream media |
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