Pope Says Sundays for God, Not Sports

[Dover]

Pope Says Sundays for God, Not Sports

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope John Paul on Friday said Sunday should be a day for God, not for secular diversions like entertainment and sports.
"When Sunday loses its fundamental meaning and becomes subordinate to a secular concept of 'weekend' dominated by such things as entertainment and sport, people stay locked within a horizon so narrow that they can no longer see the heavens," the pontiff said in a speech to Australian bishops.

John Paul criticized the "culture of the 'here and now,'" urging Church leaders to "lead men and women from the shadows of moral confusion and ambiguous thinking."

The 83-year-old pope also encouraged Christians, especially young people, to remain faithful to Sunday Mass, saying the secular culture was undermining family life.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?
type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=4671097

Well this ought to alienate as many men from the church as the abortion issue did women.

[MrSlayer]

1. Sunday is for FOOTBALL!!

I've always equated the pope with Mr. Rogers. They both control the Neighborhood of Make Believe.

[nolabels]

48. And the the other one BASKETBALL

http://www.nba.com/lakers/


Shaquille O'Neal and the Lakers have the second best record in the Western Conference.

Bryant, Lakers Crush Wolves
Kobe Bryant pumped in 35 points and the Lakers outscored the Timberwolves by 26 in the paint en route to a 90-73 home win on Friday. Shaquille O'Neal was dominant inside, scoring 22 and pulling down 18 boards for Los Angeles, which has won seven straight
(snip)

Tonight they will have some music, LAKERS playing the JAZZ

[nolabels]

84. Lakers Win Close Contest

They played Rock & Roll tonight and a former Jazz player helps to seal the victory

Karl Malone recorded a double-double on Sunday.

Lakers Win Close Contest
Utah and Los Angeles traded leads down the stretch, but the Lakers emerged victorious, 91-84 on Sunday. Kobe Bryant poured in a game-high 34 points, Karl Malone added 19 and 13 boards and Gary Payton notched 17 points. The Lakers, who remain two games back of the first-place Kings, host the Hornets on Tuesday

http://www.nba.com/lakers/

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

93. And auto racing

[clonebot]

2. i was raised catholic and...

..i never listened to a single thing the pope said.

[Chicago Democrat]

7. Pope is for theologians, Sunday is for Football and Sex.

Am I wrong?

[jeanmarc]

15. No. You are correct [nt]

[Occulus]

21. Our lives are our OWN, and

our actions are for God to judge.

How's that?

edit: I'm not saying I think there's some terribly judgemental Man In the Sky who keeps a ledger. That's not it. Every situation has its circumstances; every person has a story. I simply trust in God to correctly interpret those things.

[0007]

37. You omitted `Rock & Roll and the things that go with wild dancing

[veganwitch]

64. green dot for sunday morning sex!!!

[lebkuchen]

3. For the "god-fearing" Bushies, Sundays are for sliming people's reputation

and there's a storm brewing for March 28...

[Trajan]

4. LMFAO ....

Most male Catholics wont leave the church over sexual impropriety, .. but they SURE as 'hell' will leave Papa in the dust for a Brat, a Beer and a Pigskin ....

People are funny that way ....

[SoCalDem]

5. The pope is right.. He should stop playing football on Sundays.

He's too old , and he fumbles too much, anyway :going to hell:

[burrowowl]

10. LOL

Yep, the atheletic Pope can no longer be atheletic, is this bile?
Or should Sunday be reserved for analyzing and praying for guidance on how to beat the bastards you lost to?
Although, it would be nice, if you have a week-end, for Sunday to be devoted to reflection, meditation, getting in touch with people around you, etc. instead of Superbowl. In America, he could change sports to BUY in the U$. In many European countries, Sunday is a time and a half and stores aren't open, even the bistros close early, but here in Americ, holidays like Memorial Days are thought of as 3-day spending sprees.

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[Almost_there]

24. Hating Catholics & Christians, here?? NO!!

I was getting used to the Catholic and Christian bashing on this site.. I do think its a bit weird since we are supposed to believe in equality for everyone, except... I hate to harp on this, but, there are 60,000,000 Catholics in the US and over one billion of them world wide. The Pope isn't saying anything outrageous, it is actually in the Bible that Sunday is a day of "rest".

In Utah, nothing is open Sunday, save for a very few food stores and restaurants, and yes, Latter Day Saints are often more devoted than Catholics, perhaps because they are a newer religion or they are more grass roots, I don't know, but, is what the Pope saying such a bad, evil thing? It is pretty bizarre that Christians on this board are made to feel like such outcasts. I agree with what you are saying, DemBones.. Democrats can be as prejudiced as anyone, turning even on their own when the case warrants.

<sigh>

~Almost

[Sandpiper]

25. Didn't Jesus say

The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath?

And actually, the bible doesn't say anything about Sunday being a day of rest. The biblical sabbath was Saturday.

[Almost_there]

28. Actually, it does say what to do on the Sabbath...

The day when the Sabbath is is open for debate actually. It depends on interpretation, Torah to New Testament. And the Bible does not say "it is a day of rest". It does dictate what is acceptable on a Sunday, I'll look it up and either edit or repost, just not at 3.40am. Anyway, the Bible states that on the Sabbath, there shall be no work, nor work in the master's house, nor work by the servants. (The passage is something along those lines). It then states that anything that is done on the Sabbath shall be done with an eye to the Lord, keeping in mind who it was that created the Earth. And it also says that you can work on the Sabbath "if the plow is in the mire" (I think that's the phrase).

I'll have to do research, but, its in there. So, we have taken "don't work on the Sabbath" and translated that to "the Sabbath is a day of rest". Not a far fetched translation. I think.

~Almost

[Art_from_Ark]

35. Just don't pick up sticks-- that's a capital offense!

From the Book of Numbers:

15:32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
15:33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
15:34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
15:35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
15:36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

[QC]

44. It's part of a larger contempt for "regular folks" that has

made the Left all but irrelevant.

Just look around DU a bit. Religious people are deluded fools. Working class people are "trailer trash." Poor people (who are white) are tacky and screw their sisters. Southerners invented every social problem in the country. NASCAR enthusiasts are hopeless bumpkins whose favorite entertainment rapes the planet (yet nothing is ever said about the environmental impact of the nation's 16,000 golf courses). Small towns and rural places are full of strange and vaguely menacing people who probably still burn witches. People whose two minimum-wage jobs and family obligations don't permit them to spend as much time online studying politics as we do are sheeple. Etc.

It's hard to believe that just forty years ago, the American Left saw itself as a mass movement. And it's probably no coincidence that we won elections back then.

Unfortunately, the rise of Boutique Liberalism opened a political vacuum into which the Right eagerly jumped with its faux populism, thus giving us the political wasteland we see today. Meanwhile, many people who consider themselves leftists are more interested in congratulating themselves on their superiority to the masses than they are in coming up with ways to reach them.

[Sandpiper]

73. Thanks for the Zell Miller speech

It's hard to believe that just forty years ago, the American Left saw itself as a mass movement. And it's probably no coincidence that we won elections back then.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the virtuous white southern males fled the Democratic party en masse following the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

Among the ones who weren't turned off by extending equal rights to people of color were the condescending leftist elitists.
:eyes:

[QC]

77. Thanks for the smartass ad hominem non-reply.

I would expect nothing more from you.

I'm sure it comforts you to believe that the entire reason the Democrats lost most of the working class was race, but there's a bit more to it than that. And, of course, your eagerness to preen yourself on your moral superiority to the great unwashed provides a much better example of what I'm talking about than I could ever have asked for.

[Sandpiper]

80. Ad hominem?

I attacked your argument, not you.

And if you go around spouting right wing talking points about the "evils of liberal elitism." Expect more of the same.

And before you say anything about "you called me Zell Miller." No I didn't. Your post simply sounded like it was lifted clean from Sen. Miller's "A National Party No More."

I would expect nothing more from you.

Speaking of ad hominem

I'm sure it comforts you to believe that the entire reason the Democrats lost most of the working class was race, but there's a bit more to it than that.

And there's also a bit more to it than liberal elitism. Your whole post was a Reaganesque rant a la "I didn't leave the Democrat party, it left me" and completely glossed over the GOP "Southern Strategy" of courting the white reactionary vote who felt alienated by Civil Rights, and the subsequent migration of the Dixiecrats to the Republican Party.

And, of course, your eagerness to preen yourself on your moral superiority to the great unwashed provides a much better example of what I'm talking about than I could ever have asked for.

As opposed to your soliloquy about liberal elitists?

[QC]

81. Miller and now Reagan?

Would you like to drag Hitler and Pol Pot into your next post?

I'll have to take your word for what's in Miller's book, though, as I have not read it. Too many good books around for me to waste my time on that.

No one denies that opposition to civil rights played a major role in the GOP takeover. But it is not the only factor, contrary to the self-congratulatory little morality play that you and others like to relate about how the entire reason we lost the working class is that they are just such knuckledragging reactionaries that we are too advanced for them.

The New Left's abandonment of class politics, along with their unfortunate tendency to view the working class through the blinders of middle-class privilege, had a lot to do with the blue-collar shift to the GOP. Add to this the fact that the Democratic Party is now every bit as enthusiastic about "free trade" as the Republicans, and it's not hard to see how so many working people don't believe that the Democrats have much interest in looking out for them. They don't have to lie awake at nights fretting over race to feel this way--all they have to do is consider how their jobs are vanishing and their paychecks don't go as far as they used to.

And there truly is an unfortunate tendency on the part of many of us on the Left to dismiss the masses. You can see plenty of it around here. I know it's fun to sit around and gripe about the rubes, but honestly, do you think Bobby Kennedy went to Appalachia to tell the people there what a bunch of tacky hicks they were? Can you picture Mother Jones dismissing the workers as sheeple?

[Sandpiper]

82. Look, we both got a little hot under the collar

Would you like to drag Hitler and Pol Pot into your next post?

But let's not be absurd

Had your initial post been as thorough as this one, I probably would not have taken umbrage to it.

Nonetheless, I could have been more civil and less confrontational in my reply.

And since we're both on the same side of the political battle, I apologize for my part in the lack of civility during our exchange.

Can we bury the hatchet?

[QC]

83. Agreed--let's try it again.

Sorry to get agitated.

I do get offended by the rube-bashing that one encounters here sometimes because it is quite personal for me--I come from a Southern blue-collar family, evangelical background, and all that, and those things are what made me a lefty. I didn't have to learn it from a Marxist professor--I saw how people like my father, a factory worker, and my grandfathers, a miner and a sanitation worker, were treated. They lived through hardships that few of us can imagine today, including me. I saw up close how race was used to apart people who had the same interests. I took very seriously the parts of my religious upbringing that told me "as ye have done unto the least of these, my brethren, so have ye done also unto me" and "by their fruits ye shall know them." And the hick-bashing I hear among fellow liberals sounds uncomfortably like the shit I used to catch from the country club kids when I was coming to school in clothes my mother made.

So I tend to get hot sometimes because when I see comfortable people dismissing the "rednecks," I see my grandfather who had to leave school in fourth grade and work his whole life as a miner. He was an ardent Democrat, by the way, and secretary of his United Mine Workers local. Though he was not at all enlightened on race, he voted Democratic until he died, which was well after 1964. Same for the other grandfather, who would sooner have cut off his right arm than vote Republican. Both of them believed that only the Democrats cared about people like them.

I still believe that we can get back people like them, and I think it's the only way we can undo what 30 years of Republicanism has done to this country.

Again, I'm sorry to get so pissy, and I appreciate the apology.

[ButterflyBlood]

85. It's a shame I didn't get to read the deleted reply to my deleted post

OK, I made a stupid inflammatory remark. I won't deny that. However, it had absolutely no relation to the South, working class people, NASCAR, or any of things you are touching on. I'm quite interested in what it said.

Nor was I hardly bashing all religious people. I am a liberal Protestant, therefore I'm a Christian. And I have been on the receiving end of religious bigotry here as well.

However, I don't see how putting no value on the Pope's opinion suddenly becomes elitist Leftism.

[QC]

92. I wasn't replying to you.

I never saw your post either. I was replying to post 24.

[EdGy]

51. you're right...

it's sad but true, there are a small group here who have some visceral thing about Catholics and the pope, and start foaming at the mouth.

A couple of years ago I started a thread "on Catholic bashing" which really brought all of these issues out.

[Sandpiper]

74. Bashing seems to be in the eye of the beholder

If I said the pope was a patriarchal, homophobic bigot, to me, that's the unvarnished truth.

To many Catholics though, my saying that amounts to intolerable Catholic bashing.

[ikojo]

91. Actually SATURDAY is the sabbath

The early church moved the Christian sabbath from Saturday to Sunday in order to distance itself from its Jewish roots.


http://www2.andrews.edu/~samuele/books/sabbath_to_sunday/7.html

ANTI-JUDAISM AND THE ORIGIN OF SUNDAY

Samuele Bacchiocchi, Ph. D., Andrews University
Ignatius, Barnabas and Justin, whose writings constitute our major source of information for the first half of the second century, witnessed and participated in the process of separation from Judaism which led the majority of the Christians to abandon the Sabbath and adopt Sunday as the new day of worship. Their testimonies therefore, coming from such an early period, assume a vital importance for our inquiry into the causes of the origin of Sunday observance

[w4rma]

8. Imho, he's got a point. But I've never been a sports fan, personally. (nt)

[elperromagico]

9. Guess his team got knocked out of the playoffs.

If the Holy Father can't enjoy sports - no one can!!!

[DemBones DemBones]

11. John Paul II is opposed to people working on Sunday

and he is certainly right that Western societies no longer have a day for rest and spending time with family, much less a day for church. Even if you don't agree with the pope about going to church, how can you not agree that people are too busy, too rushed, too stressed, and need a day of rest?

Those of us who remember the Fifties and Sixties remember that Saturday was the day for shopping and running errands and Sunday was a day for relaxing and lazing around the house, or maybe visiting friends or family in the afternoon, whether you went to church or not. Stores (department stores, dime stores, grocery stores) were just not open on Sundays. People planned accordingly. Stores didn't have the evening hours they have today, either. This was one of the things that made life more relaxed back then.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. Next can he handle what they did with Christmas?

(sorry couldn't resist.)

You're right. As a Jew I can vouch for the fact that everything used to be closed on Sunday but the deli :D

[DemBones DemBones]

20. And the deli was closed on Saturday, right?

We Dems speak of respect for Joe Lieberman keeping his Sabbath, but when the pope reminds Catholics of their Sabbath, DUers sound like a bunch of fucking freepers.

[Almost_there]

26. Well...

I am surely going to get slammed for this, but, Joe Lieberman as a faithful Jew is welcomed here, because his religion has been oppressed, as opposed to Catholics and Christians who have forever been the oppressors, right? </sarcasm off>

It's cool to slam the Pope! I think when I go to Church this morning, I'll ask the priest if he's fondled any boys recently, because they are ALL EVIL! Right? They spew hatred of all, molest children, etc.

And actually, in New York, it is pretty funny going to the Diamond Exchange on Saturday, the street is totally vacant, nothing open, even the good delis are closed. I recall a few places that I've been to on Saturday that were run by Hasidic Jews where the clerk wouldn't take money from your hand on a Saturday. If the bill was $14.50, you would put a $20 on the counter, and he would put $5.50 back on the counter. It's a bit disengenuous, but, the feeling was they weren't conducting business. I don't know if it is still done, just reminiscing a bit.

~Almost

[Sandpiper]

29. Not slamming, just clarifying

I am surely going to get slammed for this, but, Joe Lieberman as a faithful Jew is welcomed here

Joe Lieberman is certainly not popular here.

because his religion has been oppressed, as opposed to Catholics and Christians who have forever been the oppressors, right?

Well, not exactly.

Judaism, is not a proselyting religion. They are not seeking converts nor trying to convince the rest of the world of the correctness of their world view. Consequently, Jews do not typically seek to have their religious dogma codified into law for non Jews.

With Christianity, it's quite the opposite. One of the aims of the religion is to convince everyone that their world view is the correct one. Not surprisingly, you'll find Christians trying to have their dogma codified into law for non Christians fairly regularly.

[Roaming]

66. I don't understand why evangelism has become such a sticking

point against Christianity. Be aware that other religions do the same, especially Islam, which is the fastest-growing religion in the U.S. Does sharing the Gospel somehow convict Christians as being less favorable? I can see the point that SOME evangelists may go overboard with an in-your-face approach, and that may be uncomfortable, but MOST Christians do not operate that way.

[Sandpiper]

72. There is a very vocal segment of Christianity

in the United States, that is trying, among other things, to accomplish the following:

Have Darwin's theories removed from public schools and replaced with biblical creationism.

Take away a woman's right to choose.

Have discrimination against homosexuals codified into the constitution.

Be aware that other religions do the same, especially Islam, which is the fastest-growing religion in the U.S.

I'm well aware of this. Religious fundamentalists are all cut from the same ideological bolt of cloth. They may pledge allegiance to different deities, but their goal is the same: to turn the U.S. from a secular society to a theocracy.

"I don't understand why evangelism has become such a sticking"
point against Christianity

There's a difference between wanting to share religious beliefs with others and having them imposed by law or force. Evangelical Christians for the most part are opting for the latter.

And if it makes you feel better, I don't want to live under Islamic Sharia either.

[QC]

78. Fundamentalists and evangelicals are not the same thing.

Jimmy Carter is an evangelical. John Ashcroft is a fundamentalist.

Here's a good article that looks at some unexpected political leanings of evangelicals: http://www.prospect.org/print/V15/4/mcgarvey-a.html

[Wabbajack]

17. Isn't it relaxing watching football?

[Sandpiper]

23. Should hospitals close on Sundays?

Or police departments, fire departments, etc?

There are some things that don't take a day off.

[DemBones DemBones]

87. Don't be disingenuous. Everyone over the age of six or seven

ought to be able to distinguish necessary work that cannot be set aside on Sundays from work that can be scheduled for the other six days of the week.

Anyone who's ever spent a weekend in hospital can tell you that hospitals do not run full steam on Saturdays or Sundays. Surgeries are scheduled for weekdays, tests are scheduled for weekdays. Physicians do not do hospital rounds every weekend, they have someone to cover for them or they rotate weekend duty with others. On the weekends, patients get nursing care, meals, and that's about it, except for emergency surgeries, emergency room care, and babies who decide to be born on the weekend (and some doctors try to limit weekend births by inducing labor with drugs.)

Unlike caring for the sick, most of the work done on weekends is about profit, and associated exploitation of the work force, and has nothing to do with necessity.

[Sandpiper]

90. Not to burst any bubbles

But caring for the sick in this country is a profit driven endeavour.

[opihimoimoi]

31. Well, SOMEBODY better be working if there is a need for the Fire

Dept, the Police, Ambulance crews, Military, Coast Guard, etc. the list is quite long of people and services needed to keep the Society going.

So where to Sunday Pizzas come from?

and the Chinese take outs?

Gimme a break.

[Crowdance]

49. Thank some woman in your life for those lazy Sundays

My Mom stayed-at-home in the fifties and sixties, which made those relaxing Sundays possible for the rest of us. I know of very few families with stay-at-home moms now, mine included. Families today have no time to laze about on any day of the week. We're busy doing the multitude of errands that can't be finished on Saturday, and have spilled over into Sunday.

Those laid-back Sundays are from the short era in which women didn't work outside the home; and those days are gone.

[Dover]

12. ...well the Pope made a few exceptions. If you are a Saints or Angels fan

you are not bound by earthly rules. You get a free pass and seats in the sky box.

Of course we all know where the Red Wings and N.J. Devils fans sit:evilgrin:

[BiggJawn]

13. Sunday is for Sleep.

And restoration, so when the alarm goes off on Monday morning, you can arise and go shorten your life some more for the financial benefit of "The MAN"...

Eh, what's the Pope know? Bet he hasn't done a hard day's labour since he donned the Red Hat.

[Muddleoftheroad]

40. Yeah, leading a world religion is easy work

And he probably on puts in a few hours before golf.

Geez.

[veganwitch]

63. my sundays mean sleeping late, sex and pancake breakfasts

in that order.

i love sundays.

[Lexingtonian]

16. a few words by Ambrose Bierce

MONDAY, n. In Christian countries, the day after the baseball game.

SABBATH, n. A weekly festival having its origin in the fact that God
made the world in six days and was arrested on the seventh. Among the
Jews observance of the day was enforced by a Commandment of which this
is the Christian version: "Remember the seventh day to make thy
neighbor keep it wholly." To the Creator it seemed fit and expedient
that the Sabbath should be the last day of the week, but the Early
Fathers of the Church held other views. So great is the sanctity of
the day that even where the Lord holds a doubtful and precarious
jurisdiction over those who go down to (and down into) the sea it is
reverently recognized, as is manifest in the following deep-water
version of the Fourth Commandment:

Six days shalt thou labor and do all thou art able,
And on the seventh holystone the deck and scrape the cable.

Decks are no longer holystoned, but the cable still supplies the
captain with opportunity to attest a pious respect for the divine
ordinance.

RELIGION, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the
nature of the Unknowable.
"What is your religion my son?" inquired the Archbishop of Rheims.
"Pardon, monseigneur," replied Rochebriant; "I am ashamed of it."
"Then why do you not become an atheist?"
"Impossible! I should be ashamed of atheism."
"In that case, monsieur, you should join the Protestants."

[HydroAddict]

19. I hope the Pope isn't a fundie...

Exodus 31:15
Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

:scared:

NFL might want to watch out for the secret Vatican Death Squads. :)

[Sandpiper]

22. I've spent many a Sunday

praying for my team to win.

Does that count? :P

[mouse7]

27. Priests tell Pope they refuse to cancel Sunday sports.

Oooops... a little translation error there... it was Padres tell Pope...

[FredScuttle]

30. The Holy Father must be a Lions fan

Probably dropped a boatload of the Vatican's petty funds on those losers.

Seriously, Il Papa can lead his flock in any way he wants, but don't fuck with my NFL Sundays

[opihimoimoi]

32. More like the Browns... He follows the Browns, gatta be,

[TahitiNut]

46. It's obviously the Saints. (That's just too easy.)

[Name removed]

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[Rex]

34. I thought everyday was for God?

They sure don't make Popes like they used to. :eyes:

[SharonAnn]

36. Isn't that Un-American?

Not for sports?

[dand]

38. Popes, Bishops, Cardinals, Ayatollahs, Mullahs,

They are all manipulators, they all belong in the trash heap of history with the Falwell's, Robertsons and Swaggerts, they are all too intelligent to believe the total bullshit that they espouse.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

39. Martin Luther says "Who cares what the Pope says?"

Do what you want, God will let you know if you decided right when the time comes.

[JusticeForAll]

41. How do they do it?

How does the Pope and his minions get away with working on the Biblical day of rest without God smiting him on the spot?

I don't get it. It seems like football as a form of entertainment is quite restful for a bunch of beer chugging lazy Americans.

oops, there's probably something about beer chugging and slothfulness in that Bible thing too. Nevermind.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

42. Did the Pope just suddenly realize that sports are played on Sunday?....

Way too late to put that genie back in the bottle, don't you think?

[TahitiNut]

45. His favorite team (the Saints?) must have lost.

:shrug:

I guess it's OK for teams to play on the Jewish Sabbath, though ... teams like Notre Dame, Holy Cross, Boston College, etc. :eyes:

I'd guess that as John-Paul II is increasingly enfeebled, the conservative cardinals surrounding him are feeling their anti-ecumenical oats.

[MikeG]

43. I'm against grown men wearing dresses.

So there.

[theHandpuppet]

59. Jesus never wore jeans...

... and I think men in kilts are sexy!

[theHandpuppet]

47. Okay, so I'll be praying for...

Xavier to beat Duke later tonight -- after all, I believe in miracles!

Go Muskies!

[leesa]

50. Maybe God likes sports.

[fortyfeetunder]

52. Well, what about shopping sprees, and mandatory OT?

Geez, why is he being selective about sports...Like the other comments (his team must have lost) but what is equally as appalling is stores having these weekly sales coinciding with Sunday and business requiring work on Sundays, and sometime mandatory OT? Heck, I'd rather see someone laying back looking at sports than slaving away at work on a Sunday...

Which reminds me, I am supposed to log on this morning to my work server computer and read a document....:(

[DemBones DemBones]

86. The pope has spoken out against working on Sundays,

as required by your employer. I couldn't read this article to see what he said this time but it's not the first time he's said people need to make Sunday into a day of rest again.

[Malva Zebrina]

53. this is really cute, I think

so that the only ones watching sports events on Sunday will be Jews and Muslims, pagans and Buddhists.

[revree]

54. What an idiot. Jesus celebrated the Sabbath on Saturday.

Even so, SPORTS RULES. Pope will lose a lot of support over this idiotic statement.

[oostevo]

55. That's a contradiction ...

A past Pope declared that it was fine if people skipped worship on Sundays for bicycle races. Seriously.

[Nailzberg]

56. The Pope has never sat in the Wrigley bleachers on a Sunday afternoon.

Let's get him tickets to Cubs vs. Cards, set him up with a Budweiser, a Hebrew National (well, maybe he'd prefer a Polish sausage), and some nachos, and he'll change his mind.

[TahitiNut]

61. For sure there's more prayer at Wrigley than St. Paul's.

:shrug:

[Nailzberg]

67. It's a lot like church, come for the game, stay for the wine.

[peacetalksforall]

57. That's a great declaration....

Then we can have a new federation of

non-Christian teams...we can have...

Teams of Jews playing against Muslims and
Teams of non-Christian Native Americans playing against atheists.

A breath of fresh air might blow in.

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

60. Sorry popey,the hockey gods come before yours

:shrug:

[noahmijo]

65. We Catholics can't win

This is the one thing about being a Democrat that's hard and it turns me off personally..Most democrats I run into don't give me any anti-Catholic bigotry but every now and then it just has to rear its ugly head.

Oh so the pope says Sundays should be for God? you don't like it? fine go do whatever you want to do, why do you care so much about a statement that you are not being forced to follow? When the pope was in his anti-war phase then i suppose he was a good guy but now he's an evil bastard this week for his recent statements?

Admittably on the right it's not much better because the fundies and other Christians for the most part call us the religion of Satan since we HONOR saints (NOT worship) and that we're going to be the first to go to hell that we're worse than Islam, Jews, even atheists.

Catholics belief in loving and honoring all religions because although others may practice differently you are still brought closer to God in some way.

For those of you who hate the God-talk fine, personally I could care less as Jefferson said whether you worship 20 gods or no gods it has no effect on my life.

[Forkboy]

68. Tough room

:shrug:

[IndianaGreen]

70. Especially when people post on the internet on Sundays

The real problem are all of the patriarchal religions that keep women living under subjugation.

[mobuto]

71. That's why Judaism is so great

Ah, matriarchy...

[bleedingheart]

62. I miss the days when Sundays were just boring times where we

just hung out with family because now as an adult I appreciate the idea of a big meal and sitting around chatting... Today my neice can't sit still and wants to go to the mall every minute and everyone else is trying to cram more stuff into the day rather than take stock of life and enjoy the day...

[mobuto]

69. At your typical Redskins Game, there is more praying

than you'll find at your typical church. Would more Hail Marys be in order?

[noahmijo]

79. LMAO

Okay I had to laugh at that, that's pretty funny. I'll admit I did lots of praying during Game 7 Yankees VS Red Sox last year and my prayers were answered. :-)

[mmonk]

75. I was raised Catholic and I say

maybe God let sports be the way to keep the Sabbath. Maybe God is a fan.

[arwalden]

76. Really?? The Pope Said That? A-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! AAAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!

-- Allen

[Sugarbleus]

88. Looks like the 'project' is almost complete...

One World Order..
One World Religion...
One World Economy...

The poor and non conformists? Ah, well, they can be shipped off to Mars ......

[DemBones DemBones]

89. People are overlooking the larger significance

of what Pope John Paul II is talking about, due to the unfortunate propensity here for attacking anything the pope says.

The larger significance of what John Paul II says is that the 24/7 workweek ("We Never Close!") becomes more deeply rooted in our society every year. You don't have to be the least bit religious to realize that this is really not the way human beings ought to live. We all understand that some work must be done on Sundays because of its necessity. It's obvious that the pope would never suggest that hospitals and fire stations shouldn't have anyone on duty on Sunday. But MOST work now done on Sundays is not necessary and is done purely to increase profits. In their drive to increase profits, corporations have no qualms about exploiting workers.

It's convenient for the exploiters that not many people today insist on having the Sabbath off from work. Most Christians have basically given up on the issue. When you hear about someone insisting on keeping the Sabbath, chances are it's a Muslim, Jew, or perhaps a Seventh-Day Adventist. Few Americans seem to recognize that secularizing the Sabbath is a form of exploitation. These are great times for the exploiters, not so good for everyone else, and lousy for the poor slobs who work swing shifts, double shifts, etc., in pursuit of just a little more money. It will be even lousier when, thanks to the Bushies, employers no longer have to pay extra for overtime work. If trends continue, some of you will find football on Sundays just a memory, having to work Sundays and holidays without any extra pay or compensation time.

[blindpig]

94. very good point

another stike against the wallmarting of the world. While some folks working 2nd or 3rd shift jobs do find 24/7 shopping a convience its a bad deal for retail workers. Ain't no fan of the Pope but I've learned to adapt to not being able to buy beer on Sunday. A little forethought is required.

[nolabels]

95. Many things have been co-opted by other groups I am sure

If I need to thank someone for my days off and a 40 hr work week my sympathy would go to Unions. I keep on hearing the words "He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sunday". Everyday is a day of creation as far as I can see. A time for reflection can come before or after the fact, but setting aside only one day for rest and reflection seems cruel and very presumptuous.

I like having Sundays off to see sports, I have nothing against the Pope or organized religion, but using views supported by religious groups to enforce things on other non-followers makes it a separation of church and state a contradiction, I know he not saying that, but there was a time when it was true.



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http://webexhibits.org/calendars/week.html

What Do the Names of the Days of the Week Mean?

An answer to this question is necessarily closely linked to the language in question. Whereas most languages use the same names for the months (with a few Slavonic languages as notable exceptions), there is great variety in names that various languages use for the days of the week. A few examples will be given here.

Except for the sabbath, Jews simply number their week days.

A related method is partially used in Portuguese and Russian:



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English Portuguese Russian Meaning of Russian name
Monday segunda-feira ponedelnik After "do-nothing"
Tuesday terça-feira vtornik Second
Wednesday quarta-feira sreda Middle
Thursday quinta-feira chetverg Fourth
Friday sexta-feira pyatnitsa Fifth
Saturday sabado subbota Sabbath
Sunday domingo voskresenye Resurrection

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Most Latin-based languages connect each day of the week with one of the seven "planets" of the ancient times: Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. French, for example, uses:



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English French "Planet"
Monday lundi Moon
Tuesday mardi Mars
Wednesday mercredi Mercury
Thursday jeudi Jupiter
Friday vendredi Venus
Saturday samedi Saturn
Sunday dimanche (Sun)

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The link with the sun has been broken in French, but Sunday was called dies solis (day of the sun) in Latin.

It is interesting to note that also some Asiatic languages (for example, Hindi, Japanese, and Korean) have a similar relationship between the week days and the planets.

English has retained the original planets in the names for Saturday, Sunday, and Monday. For the four other days, however, the names of Anglo-Saxon or Nordic gods have replaced the Roman gods that gave name to the planets. Thus, Tuesday is named after Tiw, Wednesday is named after Woden, Thursday is named after Thor, and Friday is named after Freya.

See additional connotations of the days of the week from a sampling of cultures and time periods.
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