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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 01:44 PM
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Gov. Charlie Crist vetoes abortion bill
Source: St. Pete Times

Gov. Charlie Crist vetoes abortion bill

By Lee Logan and John Frank, Times/Herald Tallahassee Bureau
Posted: Jun 11, 2010 02:23 PM


TALLAHASSEE As he positions himself to the center in the U.S. Senate race, Gov. Charlie Crist on Friday vetoed a measure requiring most women to pay for an ultrasound and hear a description of the fetus before they can have an abortion.

"This bill places an inappropriate burden on woman seeking to terminate a pregnancy," Crist said in his veto message.

Anti-abortion advocates and Crist's Republican critics in the Legislature immediately pounced on the decision. John Stemberger, head of the Florida Family Policy Council, called the veto "profoundly disappointing" and said it's now "crystal clear that he's pro-abortion."

Crist's move marks the third veto of a high-priority bill passed by the GOP-controlled Legislature. While lawmakers were still in session and he was still a Republican, Crist vetoed a campaign finance bill that he said would reinstate legislative "slush funds." He also vetoed a controversial teacher tenure bill that earned him wide acclaim among educators.

Now, the newly independent governor is tacking to the center in his U.S. Senate bid and polls show him attracting votes from Democrats and independents.

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Read more: http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/gov-charlie-crist-v...



Kiss it good-bye Meek. Bye bye Rubio, you little tea-bagging fascist.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 01:47 PM
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1. since you're being so brave moving left now, charlie
why don't you come out already?
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 02:27 PM
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15. Agreed...
come into the democratic fold and come OUT already!
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 01:47 PM
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2. I actually think he feels free to vote his conscience now...
Not that I wouldn't prefer to see a true Dem in that Senate seat, but these kind of steps do make me feel a bit better about him.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:04 AM
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80. That he said he was putting his personal views aside
and that this was "government intrusion" (which it is) says a lot in these times.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 01:47 PM
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3. Wow, all of a sudden I like old Charlie
Oh, I always knew he was an enormous improvement over Jebbie, as did most Floridians, even the ones who'd only admit it in low tones after a six pack. This veto makes me like him and if I lived there, I might even vote for him.

Wow. Just wow.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 01:51 PM
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 02:23 PM
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11. There are worse Democrats in the senate now
than Charlie Crist.
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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:15 AM
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52. Absolutely....Maybe we can orchestrate a trade - give the Repubs
Ben Nelson (NE) and we'll take Charlie, and another politican to be named later, lol.....
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:27 AM
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83. I totally agree - Landrieu, Bayh, Nelson. They're pigs!
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 02:26 PM
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14. When he vetoed SB 6 that really caught my attention.
The speech he gave was a huge support for teachers and education here in FL. Many, many of my teaching friends appreciate that kind of loyalty.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 01:53 PM
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5. Good move Charlie..and after watching Anderson Cooper last night..he said Charlie has better ratings
among all in Fla than all the candidates!
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 02:55 PM
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20. I like CC. Live in Tampa. CC cares about Fl! nt
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 04:08 PM
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31. I am not far from you!! and you are right ..CC cares about Florida! eom
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:04 AM
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50. Ahem. Let's not forget about the DEMOCRAT in the race - Kendrick Meek!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:34 AM
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54. How could i forget him..you care to elighten people of Fla who he is??
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 07:39 AM by flyarm
because on the West Coast of Fla he is an unknown..as well he is unknown to the Dixiecrats..and he has run an almost silent campaign!..

He doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected in this state with his silent campaign!

We have to face realities..and most of us dems are and have..we have a choice..and Meeks isn't even in the equation..because he has stayed almost silent. His choice and the dem party choice ..not mine.

( don't get me wrong..I love Meeks...I sat next to him as an elected delegate at the 2004 dem convention and got to know him very well and I adore him..but he is not known at all on my side of the state or the northern part of the state..at all..and he has run a "stealth" silent campaign)

My choice comes down to ..Rubio ..Jeb's boy..or the only guy to ever stand up to the Jeb machine..

I damn well wish i didn't have this bad choice..but this is what cards we dems were handed in Fla.

We have a FDP chair who is in the pockets of the Jeb Machine with the full recognition of the national DNC ..who is run by Rahmn..and he damn well knows Our chair's ties to the Jebbie machine..and we get a candidate who isn't known anywhere but SE Fla..

I didn't make this choice..but our Dem party damn well did.

So if my choice is vote for someone with no chance in hell of winning..Crist who can win and is liked by many many dems in the state..or Rubio..a fascist pig owned by Jeb..my choice has to be Crist.

You can thank the dem party for this ..not me!
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:00 AM
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58. Meek is starting to garner some attention. But not good attention.
There have been some stories involving him, his mother, some lobbyists, cash, and Cadillacs.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:15 AM
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61. and that too! Add to that many dems still pissed off about the stripping of our dem delegates
in 2008 by the dem party.over 2 million votes were negated and people are still damn pissed off at the dems for that!!
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liberalmike27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:58 AM
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84. Dems in Florida should Watch the Polls Closely
If it looks like Crist is close, and the Democrat is third, they should very well consider voting for him, that letting Rubio get into office. I don't usually vote for republicans, but if it was just a few percent, I'd take Crist.

He's what is almost an oxymoron these days--a reasonable republican.
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nankerphelge Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 12:06 PM
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86. You best believe...
I will vote for Crist if it means keeping Rubio out.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 01:56 PM
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6. K and R
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 02:38 PM
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16. Meek is a "New Democrat".
So, I don't think he's a real Democrat.
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pgodbold Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 02:02 PM
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9. I swear, I am the only gay guy in Florida who hasnt slept with Charlie Crist.
Its amazing how the closets support women when they shake off the rethugs.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 02:25 PM
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13. Maybe, maybe!
And welcome to DU!!

:hi:
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 02:43 PM
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18. Welcome to DU!
:hi: and LOL at your post :-)
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 03:03 PM
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22. When the Rethugs drop them. He shook off squat.
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pettypace Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 10:51 PM
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46. You used "the closets" as a pejorative
OMFG

That is the amusinginist thing I've read in awhile.
:toast:
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:22 AM
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82. lol, that's funny
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 02:23 PM
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12. Dammit, Charlie!
Quit defending those progressive values!

:rofl: :rofl:
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 02:44 PM
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19. Good on him. He did the right thing.
I think he wins the Senate seat. He is likable, competent and appeals to independents and Dems. And instead of playing to the tv like some Gulf Governors (Jindal?) and acting like an idiot with Big Oil (Barbour?) he is behind letting Fl voters decide if they want off shore drilling. A bit timid on that, but he is improving.
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 03:23 PM
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26. Me too. Kendrick Meek is a good guy who votes as he should, but is relatively unknown.
Let's keep Kendrick Meek in the House and keep the Teabagger out of Congress.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 03:12 PM
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23. Crist was a Rethug until THEY dropped him. Now, he's tacking left for the same reason he used to
Edited on Fri Jun-11-10 03:20 PM by No Elephants
tack right--his own selfish interests. And no one knows what he'll do if his percepion of what best serves his own interests changes after election day.


He's Florida's answer to Spectre. I just don't get the condemnation for Spectre by people now cheering Crist.

He's trying to take support from the Democrat, not from the Republican. Sadly, they'll probably just end up splitting the Democratic vote and helping Rubio.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 04:06 PM
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30. You obviously are not from Florida and you are all wrong! eom
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:48 AM
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47. Agree neighbor! CC cares about Florida. nt
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:21 AM
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62. Maybe, maybe not. But this is not Indie Underground or Crist Underground.
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 08:29 AM by No Elephants
An election campaign is actively underway and Meek is the Democratic candidate. And Crist, whether he cares about Florida or not, was never a Democrat. Apparently, he's not a Republican, either, but an a opportunist who goes in any direction he thinks will get him elected. Much like Spectre (who has very deep ties to PA and probably cares very deeply about his state, too).

In any event, DUers are not supposed to be advocating for Crist to win his election, given that would mean defeat of a Democratic candidate.

Praise Crist for something specific, fine. Criticize Meek for something specific, fine. Root for Crist to defeat Meek, no. More likely, they just divide the vote. IMO, if Crist really cared about Florida, he would not take that risk.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 05:47 PM
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38. I really like Kendrick Meek and if I were a Florida voter I would vote for him.
And it would be great for diversity to have an African American elected to the Senate. On the other hand, I would not trust Crist. I think he has his finger up to the wind trying to decide what policy positions are most likely to get him elected without regard to his own true feelings on the issues. And if he were elected I'm not sure at all that he would be a reliable progressive vote.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 07:17 PM
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41. Kendrick is not known at all on the west coast of Fla..and not at all among the dixiecrats
Edited on Fri Jun-11-10 07:18 PM by flyarm
Hee won't win..so we that do live in Fla have a choice..Crist or Rubio..I will not sit back and suffer through the faccist Rubio..Jebs boy!
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:54 PM
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93. It's a long way to November. Let's not give up on a good Democrat yet. n/t
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:57 AM
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49. You are wrong about him.. He cares about FL. Has ties to the area.
He was never comfortable with Bush running the state into the ground. This last year's run to the right seemed to be painful for him. I was betting that he'd go indie anyway since Rubio was getting the TeaParty Pukes (which is odd seeing that his name is Rubio... but he's Bush's boy). Crist always seems more comfortable on stage with Obama than he ever did sharing the stage with the Bush's. I wished he had made the move long ago. It would have helped the state to not have Crist having to rangle for these teaparty, neo-con, Christo-fascist pukes. AND with Charlie having the advantage of the I-4 corridor and the support of teachers... I think he'll win. I think he'll caucus with the Dems.
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John Kerry VonErich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 03:05 PM
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96. Agreed, this veto is part of a smoke screen.
Crist is an OP who is trying to split the Democratic party. IE, just another Nader.
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 03:13 PM
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24. That's it Charlie. Slap those rethugs with their own idiotic legislation.
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 03:15 PM
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25. I drive by Stemberger's office every day to and from work
And almost puke. He's the next right wing nutcase that I am waiting to hear about tied up in the middle of an affair (gay or otherwise.)
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 03:38 PM
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28. That's good news...
and one more reason to vote for him. There are certainly a lot worse Dems in the Senate than an Ind Crist (we have one right here with Nelson).
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Towlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 03:53 PM
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29. If you read about that bill he vetoed, you'll realize it's really not saying much that he vetoed it.
It would have been a really horrible law and it would only require a tiny scrap of human decency to want to stop it.

Crist has a very long way to go before I'd classify him as being in the center, let alone on the left. Still, I don't think Kendrick Meek is well-known enough to make it and anything is better than a teabagger.

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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 06:56 PM
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40. "and it would only require a tiny scrap of human decency"
thats a big assumption about certain (most) politicians of a certain political party.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 04:20 PM
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33. "I am confident he will serve us well in the Senate."
sorta. I wouldn't expect him to vote with the Dems 100% of the time. However, given that he's running for a Senate seat that's currently Rep, and that votes with the Dems 0% of the time, I'd say it's a vast improvement. Meek not only has run a low profile campaign, but appears to have some legal and ethical issues to overcome... his chances are all but nil. Crist not only would be a big improvement for that seat to date, but also has an excellent chance of winning... plus it keeps a tea-bagger out of the seat.
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judesedit Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 04:33 PM
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34. Thank you, Charlie. Keep these republicans OUT of my personal life
Thank you very much. Talk about big government. They want to control our breathing. Literally.
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lobodons Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 05:07 PM
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35. If this anti-abortion law is so important for Repugs
Why not subsidize the ultrasound? Of course, only if they really wanted this anti-abortion law to be enacted. Good for you CC. IF I were in Florida, you'd have my vote in November.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 05:22 PM
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36. It'll be interesting to see where the polls move
If there were any fundies planning on voting for Crist, they'll abandon him now.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 05:40 PM
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37. Charlie Crist...will vote for whatever gets him elected...
he goes where the wind goes.
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 05:48 PM
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39. Is it possible
Edited on Fri Jun-11-10 05:49 PM by Seedersandleechers
that if Crist gets elected, he would choose to vote with the Dems and not the Repukes? Like Sanders? Not a Floridian so I'm not too familiar with Crist.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 07:25 PM
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42. It is very possible...
that Crist would probably caucus with the Dems more so than the Reps on more issues than Lieberman, etc. Based on his past voting record he may even swing to the left of Sen. Nelson (FL). A lot of really depends on who energizes him. It's highly doubtful that he will vote far left on any issue as he tends to be a centrist, and only swung to the right when trying to get more RW republican votes. That's just my take on him. Now there's a lot of things he has said which may be contrary to what he does, but I tend to base my belief on what politicians actually DO.
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 09:15 PM
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43. Thank you,
for your excellent take on Crist, and right, I too base my belief on what politicians actually do. That is why Obama for me has been disappointing.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 09:18 PM
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44. Yeah, I know the feeling.
:(
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:42 AM
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55. Charlie will vote for what is good for Florida...and her people. eom
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-11-10 09:35 PM
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45. Damn. Crist is angling straight down the middle.
He's gonna be Florida's next Senator, yo.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:52 AM
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48. Good for Crist
Like it or not (and I don't) he's 90% assured of being the next Senator
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:06 AM
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51. It's hard to believe that a bill as bad as the Ultra Sound law ...
.. made it as far as it did. Pure Repuke Fundie nonsense and a waste of time.

That's 2 times in a row that Crist has done the right thing... he may be OK.

We can't let Marco "Little Jeb" Rubio get in. That guy is a walking disaster.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:51 AM
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56. That bill is typical of what moves through the legislature.
We've got to have the most corrupt statehouse in the country. 100% bought and paid for. Collect the money from the developers, banks, utilities, and insurance companies. Then collect the votes from the fundies.
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thelordofhell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:08 PM
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95. I'll see your Florida
And raise you Arizona
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:20 AM
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53. On Bay Snooze 9.. They were reading off some of the comments...
One of them said he should have passed the bill.. "All these young girls getting pregnant with no punishment or consequences..." #1) Other than the Virgin Mary, there are no cases I know of of women just walking down the street and "getting pregnant".. so what consequence or punishment do they suggest for the man? #2) Its none of his/ her business unless they also want to support thru their taxes the money and resources it will take for this "young girl" to have their child at a young age (medical expenses, social support systems, and probably someone who will not be able to further their education and will not provide substantial tax revenue back to the pot, and the added bonus of raising a child thru tough times type of life who may repeat the cycle once they are of age). #3) If you don't have a UTERUS.. Shut the Fuck UP... You don't get a choice or a say.
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flpab Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:59 AM
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57. this and the teachers
Bravo!!! He vetoed that horrible teacher bill that would have killed education in this state.
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scarletlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:06 AM
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59. Good for Charlie
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:12 AM
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60. I was under the impression that on Democratic Undergroud
We are expected to support the Democratic candidates. I have read many people slandering those who, in Florida in particular, once voted for Nader, a third Party guy, over another Democrat. Yet in this case, full statements that people are voting against the Democrat make up most of the thread.
Do the 'new Crist rules' apply to all elections now? Or just this one?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:22 AM
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63. well if the democratic party would give us a candidate that would have a snowballs chance in hell of
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 08:24 AM by flyarm
winning..we Floridians would love to be cheering he/she on!

As it exists today..they have not.

You want Jebbies boy Rubio as the next Senator from Fla sitting in our senate?

Rubio is young and would be there a very very long time!

Because what you are suggesting..that will be the result!

We dems in Fla hope to not make that happen..for you and for us!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:35 AM
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64. Regardless, dissing the Dem or cheering for his opponent is against the
rules of this board. And no, following the rules of this message board does not mean a win IRL for Rubio.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:22 AM
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73. I have never dissed the dem candidate..I have told you the reality ! eom
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:29 AM
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77. Quote:
"We have to face realities..and most of us dems are and have..we have a choice..and Meeks isn't even in the equation."

That is not a diss of the Democratic candidate? He's not in the equation at all? I'd hat to see your compliments!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:27 PM
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90. and quote right back atcha..
. well if the democratic party would give us a candidate that would have a snowballs chance in hell of
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 09:24 AM by flyarm
winning..we Floridians would love to be cheering he/she on!

As it exists today..they have not.

You want Jebbies boy Rubio as the next Senator from Fla sitting in our senate?

Rubio is young and would be there a very very long time!

Because what you are suggesting..that will be the result!

We dems in Fla hope to not make that happen..for you and for us!
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:14 AM
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69. Did you read what I typed?
I wrote about DU rules that many are subjected to, but apparently not all. Your Florida elections are up to you. Do what you want, oppose the Democratic candidate. What does that have to do with DU rules? Nothing. On what basis do you come at me about your damn election, when I am talking about DU rules. What am I suggesting, other than DU be consistent with the rules? So this 'you want Rubio' routine is just more rudeness. Not what I am talking about, but you beat me with it anyway.
I asked an actual question. Got an answer to my question?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:17 AM
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71. I do not in anyway oppose Meeks..I adore him..but he is not known on the west coast of Fla nor the
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 09:20 AM by flyarm
I-4 corridor of Fla nor is he known by the Dixiecrats.

You tell me how he wins it then????????????

He came to my west coast large county for a fund raiser..3 people showed up..3...

He has come several times..with 5 people max coming to his fund raisers..it was embarrassing for him as well as dems!

He had a large fund raiser not long ago..the local media did not show the gallery because less than 20 people were there!

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:24 AM
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74. I am talking about DU and the rules of the board, not your
election. Why would I tell you how he wins? What gives you the idea that this is my point? Can you read, and reply to what I wrote, or are you only able to recite these same snarky questions, which do not relate to what I am talking about?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:28 PM
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91. I didn't start this or many other threads about this. I am not in charge of this board.
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 01:29 PM by flyarm
merely responding to the #3 thread on the greatest page. As have many many other people on this thread and threads just like it.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:35 AM
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65. The rule down here is to stop Rubio at all costs.
You don't know how bad and corrupt that little fascist is. He's a Jeb Bush protegee all the way down the line.

I didn't vote for Crist for Governor. As a DEC member I was obligated to vote for and support Jim Davis, the Dem. And I know Davis personally, and he's a complete asshole. He's one of 27 "New Democrats" who signed a letter to Dennis Hastert asking him to hurry up and bring that horrible bankruptcy reform bill to the floor so that they could vote for it. I have no such obligations any more.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:13 AM
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68. and I the same..and most smart Dem's know what is at stake..I would not promote
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 09:14 AM by flyarm
Crist..but I know what my obligation to this nation is..and it supersedes party!

Rubio would be a disaster for this nation!

My obligation first and foremost is to my nation!

No message board will supersede that nor any party.

Rubio is a fascist...He is owned lock stock and barrel by the Bush machine..I will not allow that to happen to my state or to the senate of this nation!

And all the manipulations, propaganda or harassment in the world will not allow me to do that.

I believe the Dem's in my state know better than anyone else, what the consequences of Rubio in the senate would be.

People should be thanking us for having the guts to stand up and tell the damn truth and vote for what is right for this country and our state..but I won't wait for others to tell me what i should or should not do for the betterment of my nation and state.

I only could have wished for my party to put up a viable candidate..that did not happen!

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:49 AM
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79. I want you to hear me
I'm probably in agreement with you. My questions here have been about DU, because I have seen others get thrown off for doing what this tread does, and I did not agree with that. And I want to remain here. Comprende? This is not the only third Party scenario, past or future.
See, I want to understand the parameters on DU. And I want them to be fairly enforced. Or not enforced. Simply not selective, but consistent.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 12:35 PM
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88. I am not a moderator..I am simply replying to a #3 thread on the greatest page..
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 01:14 PM by flyarm
you should be asking the moderators not a fellow poster about the rules..not me.

I agree with you on consistancy..but this is about the third or 4th thread relating to this subject.

And as for consitancy..

Perhaps you should ask your question on all of the threads ...and all of the posters that have posted the reality of the situation in Fla.

here is one such..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


I guess when Charlie embraced Obama's stimulus bill is the only time we can say anything good about our governor now?

I guess when our governor is trying to save our state from a catastrophe in the gulf we have to stay silent?

I guess when our governor stood up for the teachers of our state and vetoed a horrible bill we have to be silenced?

I guess when our Governor veto's a horrible bill against womens rights we should stfu?

As for consistancy..as a registered democrat for almost 39 years I have despised the man who "covered up" the murder of my democratic president...but now..under the NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY .. I was supposed to be a good soldier and go along with Arlen Specter????? being elected as a dem?? Is that how the new democrats work???????? Consistency?? Is that consistency??????? There was much to say here at DU about Arlen..both good and bad..as with Liberman.



reality has nothing to do with it now???????

There are many posters from Fla who have told you and others the same thing.

I have donated to Kendrick Meeks ..I was one of a very few who attended all his campaign fund raisers..in My county.
I have been an elected democrat in my county, and I support all democrats..I am a member of the DEC ..but I am not every voter and I am not the candidate running and I can not sway all the voters of my state. I do however know the reality on the ground in my state.

So are we supposed to stfu about this as well?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I just want to know..because I will refrain from posting anything now!
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:48 PM
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98. I would think the rules of DU are to support what's best for the party and the nation as a whole..
If it means voting for a moderate to stop a dangerous right winger from taking office then that's a very good thing for Democrats and the country.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 08:58 AM
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66. I'll never vote for a Republican.
I don't care how mild he is, or who he's up against.

The fact that someone chooses allegiance with the party that has brought this country to its knees tells me all I need to know about their character.

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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:11 AM
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67. He quit the party. Like Jeffords. Still, there is one question...
...which is, which party would he caucus with in the Senate?

Jeffords was a great Senator who was a Repub for many years.

He got lots of Democratic votes up there.

When he became an Independent, he caucused with the Dems.

What would Crist do?

I don't think we know yet....
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:18 AM
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72. I'm with you Miles
No GOPer will ever have my vote. Never.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:25 AM
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75. I'll never vote for a Republican either.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:31 AM
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78. Yeah, well for me it takes more than a change of caps
a fortnight ahead of the game to be 'not a Republican'. You and I have different standards.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 07:26 PM
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99. Crist's votes are much less "republican' than many DLCers
which is one of the reasons why labels mean little these days. You'll know where they TRULY stand by their ACTIONS.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 08:33 AM
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100. Crist is not a Republican..
He changed his registration to "Independent/Unaffiliated".
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:16 AM
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70. He isn't one of those people I expect to approve of.
But I do.
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jazzelle Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 09:28 AM
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76. Good for Charlie.
maybe hes free to know vote his heart
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 10:17 AM
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81. Here's an article I found
about the Gov of Indiana (a repugnant)

http://www.indystar.com/article/20100612/NEWS05/6120330...


What kills me is all of these boyz yakking about the most important responsibility a woman can have...a child. And they of course want to control everything about it.

And the Indiana Legislature passed a law outlawing abortion in the cases of rape and incest.

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: These boyz want to return to the Middle Ages. What cruelty they are willing to impose on other human beings...oh, I forgot, these boyz don't consider women to be humans...just slaves.

:mad: :puke: :argh: :nuke:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 11:09 AM
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85. ok... as a liberal, I am intrigued by what this politician has been doing
verrrry interesting.
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glen123098 Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 12:29 PM
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87. So which is it Crist?
Edited on Sat Jun-12-10 12:33 PM by glen123098
Were you pretending to be anti choice for your entire career, or are you pretending to be pro choice now? There is no reason to trust any politician who uses women's bodies for political reasons.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 01:52 PM
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92. I'd like to know a lot more about his record.
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FirstTimeVoterAt37 Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 12:37 PM
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89. Trust comes hard for me
And he's got a ways to go. But this move is pretty amazing, and in political times like this I have to admit it takes fortitude to do more than just bicker. I'll say "bravo, Mr. Crist" and hope that this is indicative of his future actions.
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thelordofhell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 02:04 PM
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94. Time for Obama to do to Florida what he did to Arizona
He needs to offer Christ a high profile job in his cabinet and let some republican turd become governor so Florida can go back to the stone age with Arizona.

:rant:
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-12-10 06:44 PM
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97. Crist is making a clean break with the GOP and moving hard left..
I think Charlie was always a closet moderate-liberal but the GOP strangled him.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-10 11:38 AM
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101. Hopefully people will realize him to be a phony, though...
he's better than Rubio.
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