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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 05:54 PM
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Arafat: "Passion of the Christ Impressive"
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1079770576238

Yasser Arafat watched Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ on Saturday, and afterward a top aide compared Jesus' pain during crucifixion to the suffering of Palestinians in the conflict with Israel.

"The Palestinians are still daily being exposed to the kind of pain Jesus was exposed to during his crucifixion," Abu Rudeneh said in a statement after he viewed the movie.

Wow, I guess that since Arafat likes it, it must be good, and I'm sure it depicts the Jewish people as innocent and all that.

My head is spinning. I wonder if the folks that say "terrorist want John Kerry to Win" will now say, "terrorist support Jesus"?!

This movie has not caused much backlash in this country, but I am worried about what will happen when it begins running in Europe, or the Middle East.

Folks that are prostrating themselves at this movie, must know nothing about Passion Plays.
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revree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 05:56 PM
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1. Most "vocal" Christians are not real Christians anyway...
they say they follow Jesus, but their behaviors say otherwise...
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 02:28 AM
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13. Um...letting yourself off a bit light, aren't you?
Everyone who chooses to be part of a belief system is at least somewhat responsible for all the good and bad actions of those of the group. There's an odd disconnect among many of belief: the good stuff is all stemming from the faith, but the bad stuff doesn't really come from the faith, it comes from pretenders or is some misrepresentation.

Belief systems let themselves off by this construct: it's good by definition, therefore it's good. Tidy, comforting, and total horseshit. We are what we do, and we should be held accountable for our actions. Those of our group--especially one we CHOOSE to be a part of--are our responsibility.

Leftists of faith owe all the rest of us a huge debt: they owe it to humanity at large to use the conscience of their group to do the right thing and fight those who use religion to impose beliefs on others. Casually dismissing those who use Christianity for greed and self-serving means as "not real Christians" is a form of self-forgiveness and denial. Belief systems are malleable, and actions that can be twisted by a justification from the faith show the flaws of the faith.

You get the praise for Desmond Tutu, but you need to take the responsibility for Pat Robertson.
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Roaming Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 08:00 PM
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22. Agree with you, that the Church needs to do a lot more self-policing
within its ranks than it sometimes does. There is no excuse for Christians allowing the likes of Benny Hinn, Falwell, even Jim Bakker, etc., to serve as leaders of the church when they are obviously in the wrong. Further, when a leader falls into sin, he must be removed. Too much liberal interpretation of scripture often has these leaders continue in their roles for the sake of "Christian forgiveness." There must be forgiveness, yes, but also consequences.

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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 05:57 PM
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2. Another blood cultist
who enjoys homoerotic sado-mashochism.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 05:57 PM
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3. Saw a headline about this saying "Arafat says Passion not Anti-Semitic"
Isn't it great how Mel's little movie is bringing people together!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 06:00 PM
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5. This is from on Anti-Jewish person, (Arafat), to another, (Gibson)
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 06:09 PM
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8. ..From one blood-thirsty sado-masochist to another as well
n/t
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 06:01 PM
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6. Yep, just another "uniter not a divider" n/t
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 05:59 PM
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4. Maybe some of his followers will give up the high-speed self-inflicted
Passionating.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 06:09 PM
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7. Where do I start
I am not really a deeply religious person, but even I find it a little offensive that Arafat would choose a movie about the Son of God for his next political maneuver. The whole thing with this movie just disgusts me. Hypocrisy disgusts me. And yes the Israeli Palestinian conflict disgusts me.

:puke:
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 06:18 PM
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9. Funniest headline, EVER!
I mean, read the thing again. It's like something out of The Onion.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 06:21 PM
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10. LOL ... I can see the ads now:

"Two big thumbs up!"
-- Yasser Arafat, Palestinian Authority

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MDN



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 06:43 PM
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-04 07:10 PM
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12. I just knew it
Somebody would eventually figure out a way to get TPOTC back into LBN.

Congrats!
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Pax Argent Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 03:42 AM
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14. Here's a news flash
Arafat enjoyed a movie where a Jewish guy gets snuffed. Film at eleven.

The jokes just write themselves with this one.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 04:28 AM
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looking glass Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 06:00 AM
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16. Another LOL
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looking glass Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 06:16 AM
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17. Too many critics cried wolf, already.
For a good chuckle, re-read the reviews and editorials about "the Passion" from two months ago. I was assured in countless thundering editorials that Jews would be rounded up into NASCAR arenas all through America, and gutted on the spot, by wild-eyed Christians with movie popcorn still wedged in their mostly-missing teeth.

It took a deep ignorance of the belief system of tens of millions of fellow citizens to swallow that. Now, the line is, "well, we just dodged a bullet in America, but wait until those foreign Christians get ahold of that movie! Then we'll see some REAL action!".

Check the police blotter for a city like Marsailles, France. It isn't the dwindling number of Christians in France that are forcing the local cops to tell Jews not to wear yarmulkes on the street. The people behind the anti-semitism in a mostly-secular Europe just aren't going to care about this movie one way or the other.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 07:25 AM
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18. Please provide links to those "countless thundering editorials."
I ask not because I doubt your veracity, but because I am certain of your mendacity.
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looking glass Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 08:15 AM
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19. Frank Rich, for one.
Abe Foxman, for two.

Poster-children for the anti-Passion hysteria.

The point of all this is that there are a lot of blue-collar Christian Democrats in battleground states that are really offended by the notion that a movie would whip them into a mob frenzy. These are people that will be needed in November.

Thanks for the personal insult, BTW. Very classy.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 09:50 AM
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21. Frank Rich and Abe Foxman wrote that:
"Jews would be rounded up into NASCAR arenas all through America, and gutted on the spot, by wild-eyed Christians with movie popcorn still wedged in their mostly-missing teeth."?

What did they really write? That the Jesus Chainsaw Massacre might stir up feelings of anti-semitism?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 08:30 AM
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20. Chimpy just can't wait to see it too. What a coincidence?
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/stories/bush20040220

Bush wants to see Gibson's Passion

WASHINGTON - U.S. President George W. Bush wants to see Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ, his spokesman said on Friday.

Although it won't be released until Feb. 25, the film - which depicts the life and death of Jesus Christ - has already been attacked on the grounds that it promotes anti-Semitism.

Asked if Bush wants to see the crucifixion drama, White House press secretary Scott McClellan said, "I think he does and I think at some point he probably will."

The White House is equipped with a private theatre in which presidents can view first-run films.

more

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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-04 08:54 PM
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23. ahhh yes, the passion of Palestine...
the patriotism of America, the politics of Mel Gibson......O8)
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