Vaccine court finds no link to autism

[HuckleB]

Source: CNN

A special court ruled Friday that there is insufficient evidence to demonstrate that vaccines caused autism in three cases.

The cases, brought by the children's parents, all alleged that vaccines containing thimerosol, a mercury preservative, caused or contributed to autism spectrum disorders in the children.

Thousands of parents of children with autism have filed petitions seeking compensation from the Department of Health and Human Services' Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, a federal program intended to compensate victims of injuries caused by vaccines, since 2001.

A panel of "special masters" began hearing three other test cases in 2007 brought by parents of children with autism who also said vaccines caused the disorder in their children. In February 2009, a special court ruled that no link between autism and certain early childhood vaccines could be proven based on evidence presented in those cases.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/03/12/vaccine.court.ruling.autism/?hpt=Sbin

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And yet, with more and more evidence showing no connection between vaccines and autism over time, the article just has to conclude with a note about the Hannah Poling case. The MSM just drives me nuts.

[laconicsax]

1. The anti-vaxxers are the new creationists.

Both groups rigidly adhere to a fiction based on long-since discredited source material and every piece of evidence showing them wrong is declare part of a conspiracy by the scientific establishment.

[Ian David]

3. More like the new Holocaust Revisionists. Their willful ignorance has a body count. n/t

[HuckleB]

49. +1

[Ian David]

2. That won't convince the whackadoodles. Evidence and facts are no match for their magic. n/t

[Zoeisright]

4. If there is a link between vaccines and autism, why are autism diagnoses still

increasing even though vaccines no longer contain thimerosal?

[HuckleB]

5. This Just In: It's The Botox, Not The Vaccines

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=247x28618

But Jenny just can't give up her "secret."

;)

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

48. edit,

replied to wrong message

[Ian David]

51. Because it still contains the vibrational memory of Thimerosal?

:sarcasm:

[Odin2005]

52. DUZY!!!

:rofl:

[HuckleB]

53. BING Bang Boom...

:rofl:

[Bearware]

54. Because it's not the thimerosol, it's another unmeasured variable

The hidden variable that does not seem to be considered is vitamin D deficiency. In the US something like 80% of the population is low, particularly in the winter part of the year. A person who has a genetic predisposition to autoimmune disease and is low on vitamin D is more likely to develop an autoimmune disease. Some fraction of people with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) do respond with neurological improvement to immunosuppression.

A person with the genetic predisposition and a very low level of vitamin D is likely to develop an autoimmune disease after any immune system challenge. This challenge could be a virus infection or it could be a vaccine. As far as I know virtually all vaccines contain an adjuvant to stimulate the immune system. Guillain-Barré syndrome is one example and some cases of ASD is another.

In other words, the primary cause of the problem is vitamin D deficiency. Vaccines can be the trigger as can viruses but they are not the primary cause. In this sense, both parties are right - partly and wrong - partly. Vitamin D researchers recommend for adults a minimum 4000-5000 IU of vitamin D3 per day either from sunlight or by supplement. Until recently the US recommended minimum was only 10%
of this amount, 400 IU of D3.

Here is a study of the autoimmune disease Juvenile Diabetes on Finnish Children with annotation of the official government minimum recommended levels of vitamin D. In the 60's the government recommended 4000 IU of vitamin D. Near the end of the study the recommendation was reduced to 400 IU vitamin D. The curve speaks for itself.

http://www.ucsd.tv/search-details.aspx?showID=15771

People are also noticing a trend of children developing Juvenile Diabetes soon after vaccination.

Here is a site with more data on vitamin D:
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/

More information on a potential autism link:
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/health/autism/

[HuckleB]

60. Science has noted no such trends.

Try again.

[msanthrope]

65. Vitamin D--the latest shill. n/t

[MicaelS]

6. Excellent! But the anti-vaxxers will soon...

Be spreading all sorts of conspiracy memes about Big Pharma, the Special Masters being bought off, secret genetic experimentation on "Amurrican" children and other "evuull" events.

[cornermouse]

7. Yawn. Pharmaceutical companies rescued from the

possibility of lawsuits from parents of (what is it now 1 out of 150?) children born with autism. I could have predicted this years ago and, oh look its been followed up with ridicule with people lucky enough not to have an autistic child.

[Odin2005]

9. Nice insult of autistics, there.

"people lucky enough not to have an autistic child."

Ah yes, we are such a burden, that's why the eugenicist curebies want to eliminate us. :puke:

[HuckleB]

12. +1

[Book Lover]

14. +2

[cornermouse]

15. A little too glib there, don't you think?

Sorry. I simply don't believe you.

[SkyDaddy7]

21. Watch This Video...

Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW1IEqKuf6s


Part Two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tl3tUQng9Q

...And let me know what you think.

[HuckleB]

39. What don't you believe?

Apparently you DO believe in a whole lot of fictional BS.

[provis99]

22. why is that an insult? Autism is a horrible condition.

Are you actually glad more and more children are autistic, rather than normal?

[Book Lover]

28. It doesn't have to be, and are you aware there are autistic people in this very thread? (nm)

[Midlodemocrat]

29. Oh, FFS. Educate yourself.

It's far from a 'horrible condition'. Some cases are more severe than others, but conventional wisdom now is that every single one of us lands somewhere on the Spectrum.

[Common Sense Party]

56. "Some cases are more severe than others"

Understatement of the year.

Far from a horrible condition? Depends which end of the spectrum you're dealing with.

[HuckleB]

61. And that's an excuse for the crap pushed by the poster above?

[Common Sense Party]

62. Talk with the poster above about his or her crap, not me.

[HuckleB]

66. You made an excuse for what the poster wrote.

Try again.

[Common Sense Party]

67. Like hell I did. Try again.

[HuckleB]

70. Well, it's still posted.

:rofl:

[Common Sense Party]

71. Point out which poster said what, and then demonstrate how I was

making excuses for him.

You can't, because you're wrong or delusional.

[Odin2005]

42. Uh, I hope you know that you are talking to an autistic person here.

And I am happy that more are being correctly diagnosed. There is no "epidemic".

[HuckleB]

43. +1

[HuckleB]

11. That's right. Ignore the evidence.

:tinfoilhat:

[cornermouse]

16. Look at all the money they saved the pharmacy companies.

[kimmerspixelated]

23. Agreed, like most problems with Big Corps,

It certainly has to do with the money trail, period. Big Pharma knows no limits for self-protection.

[HuckleB]

38. So you're claiming that the court is bought and paid for by BIG PHARMA!?

:rofl:

[Midlodemocrat]

45. Wow. Just wow.

:rofl:

Folks, you CANNOT make this up!!!!

[HuckleB]

37. Hello, the evidence is the question.

Or do you not care about evidence?

[Posteritatis]

47. That seems to be the plan here; this is a religious issue, not one about facts, at this point

Climate change denial, evolution denial, evils-of-socialized-health-care types, vaccine autism claimants, they all value truth to the exact same level.

(I'm sure they'll have plenty of blog links or claims of shilldom to spam in response to this, of course.)

[Book Lover]

13. I beg your pardon. I do not consider myself unlucky *AT ALL*

My child has taught me more about compassion, simple joys, finding beauty everywhere.... christ, I could go on for hours. My child is a blessing. I await your apology.

[cornermouse]

17. How old is your child?

Apology? I don't think so.

Also. You might want to consider apologizing to parents with no family history of autism but who now have children with autism. This thread was meant to hurt and insult people. If it was about other, more political topics it would probably be called flamebait.

[Book Lover]

19. My child is

seven. And if I were to follow your advice, I'd be apologizing to myself.

If you also are the parent of a child diagnosed with autism, then I really, really suggest you find the good in your situation. Otherwise, you're going to be put in the corner where the able-bodied want us to go. And if you are not, well, you can go scratch.

[cornermouse]

20. With all due respect,

your child is only 7. You're still doing the easy stuff. You have no idea of what is ahead of you.

[WriteDown]

25. You must really hate your kids. Or is it self-hatred for getting them vaccinated?

:shrug:

[Book Lover]

27. The easy stuff...

OK, if you are a parent with an older autistic child, then I respect what you are saying. But do not tell me my child is a burden, because I just don't see him that way. If yours is, then I'm sorry.

[Common Sense Party]

55. My child is not a burden.

My child's autism sure as hell is. The frustration he feels at the complete and utter inability to communicate is a burden to him, to his teachers, to his sisters, and to us. Having a 16-year old weighing well north of 200 pounds who can't communicate above a 12-month cognitive level...who can't tell us what hurts or where it hurts...who can't express what he wants or why he doesn't want...who has violent outbursts on those rare occasions when the hurt, the frustration, the sensory overload, the memories all build up and flood his mind at once and he can't verbalize it, and he simply lashes out at whoever is closest and his 10-year-old sister is afraid of him. And knowing that he will always live with my wife and me, we'll always get to care for him, feed him, help him after bowel movements, help bathe him, and we'll never get to see him learn arithmetic or fall in love or get married or be independent.

That's a burden that we all get to bear. Because of genetics? Environment? God's will?

I don't know.

But I find it more than a bit annoying when fully functioning, highly verbal people who are barely on the autistic scale imply that we should be happy and proud that our son has severe autism. Or others who haven't been down the road we're now walking basically tell us we should just buck up and quit feeling sorry for ourselves, and we should just accept autism as some great blessing.

[Odin2005]

64. So I am "less autistic" just because I am verbal?

[Common Sense Party]

68. I don't know you or your symptoms, but you appear to be so far at the other

end of the spectrum from where my son is that it renders the spectrum nearly meaningless.

[Midlodemocrat]

32. Oh, FFS. NONE of us know what is ahead of us.

If you're this bitter about having an autistic child and still looking for someone to blame? You're conveying your dismay to your child.

Not healthy at all.

[HuckleB]

41. Grow up.

Sheesh.

[Midlodemocrat]

31. This thread was posted to announce that the anti-vax

crowd and their screaming for years that autism is caused by thimerasol are completely and utterly full of shit.

[HuckleB]

40. Now that is some bizarro world projection.

[Odin2005]

18. +1

:hug:

[Midlodemocrat]

30. Horseshit. Utter horseshit.

Vaccinations and an autism diagnosis are not related. Most professionals have known this for years. Autism has a biological trigger and possibly an environmental one. Vaccinations? Um, no.

It's parents desperate to blame someone for their child's condition. It's a waste of time, resources and effort.

Maybe now this horseshit will be put to rest for good.

[jmowreader]

59. I don't think so, Midlo...

I give it until Tuesday that Jenny McCarthy and the rest of the antivaxers say the vaccine court was bought and paid for by Wyeth.

[semillama]

69. Tuesday? It happened in this thread on Friday!

What really must grind the anti-vaxxers' gears is that the Omnibus cases were the absolute BEST SUPPORTED cases they could come up with, and they were found to be completely bogus.

[TheMadMonk]

46. Anyone who paid rational attention to the statistics and the literature...

...could have seen this coming.

Autopsies of those with classic autism have found a missing slice of brainstem in many cases. The missing features develop in normal fetuses in the first month of gestation.

Parental age is very strongly associated with the risk of having an autistic child. Furthermore, parental age is a known contributing factor in plenty of other developmental issues.

Please riddle me this. Exactly how does thimerserol affect events which took place as much as two years before it is administered?


While you're about it, explain how a substance can be the cause of a disorder, when the incidence of that disorder is identical in large populations of persons given that substance and in equally large populations not given it?

[midnight]

8. I remember the experts told me that my child did not have anything wrong

too. I did prove them wrong. But my case only needed a simple x-ray. I took on every expert in the emergency room, and all the way to the top. Finally the head of the hospital came in to have it out with me. I explained it was in my best interest to be wrong. I wanted him to be right, and he could clear this whole matter up with a simple x-ray. Of course my simple situation took me only eight hours of negotiations with the best minds in the hospital... I consider myself lucky not to have to wade through those experts who are being paid by the pharmacy companies to conduct testing. This is not over by a long shot.

[HuckleB]

10. What does your anecdote have to do with vaccines and autism?

[420inTN]

24. Experts aren't always right and mom/dad knows best ??? eom

[HuckleB]

36. ????

[TheMadMonk]

44. In matters involving a single individual perhaps occasionally.

In matters of statistics lay people are almost invariably wrong.

[420inTN]

50. Just a guess on my part as to the point of the anecdote. n/t

[Midlodemocrat]

33. Um,nothing? Autism certainly isn't diagnosed with an x-ray.

[WriteDown]

26. What exactly did you x-ray for autism?

:shrug:

[Ian David]

58. "Ignored" probably x-rayed his or her aura and found a subluxation. n/t

[naaman fletcher]

72. So therefore thermisol caused it? huh? nt

[thelordofhell]

34. But Jenny McCarthy says it's true

So it has to be fact

[Midlodemocrat]

35. Extremely good chance, excellent, in fact that her child

never had autism, but another disorder. The disservice she did to the autism community sickens me.

[boppers]

57. *Sigh*

I'm sure the di-hydrogen monoxide banners aren't far behind.

[Odin2005]

63. LOL!