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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:17 PM
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Christian Coalition of America mired in a divorce
From The Hill:

Family-values group mired in a divorce
By Sam Dealey

The Christian Coalition of America (CCA), once a formidable political voice whose advocacy for traditional family values helped propel the Republican Party to power, finds itself at the center of a nasty divorce between top employees.

The proceeding involves Tracy Ammons, CCA’s former Senate lobbyist and outreach coordinator, and Michele Combs, CCA vice president for communications and the daughter of CCA President Roberta Combs.

Combs and Ammons were wed in December 1999, but their marriage soon disintegrated and was replaced with lawsuits, countersuits and even jail time over relatively small amounts of money that hinge on custody of their 3 1/2-year-old child.

“While the nation debates traditional marriage versus gay marriage, the president of the Christian Coalition, Roberta Combs, is encouraging and bankrolling a nasty, hardball divorce by her own daughter,” said Jonathon Moseley, an attorney for Ammons.

http://thehill.com/news/031704/divorce.aspx

(Liberally apply irony here)
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:19 PM
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1. Liberally apply irony here ...
don't need to. It's all there already.
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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:21 PM
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2. More evidence...
...that the religious right is made up of un-evolved bufoons.These people want control of our country. Prevent this by any means necessary.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:36 PM
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6. un-evolved bufoons or unevolved Baboons
Maybe supported by a CHIMPANZEE or 2
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:23 PM
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3. All together now:
Na Na Na Na, Na Na Na Na, Hey Hey HEY, GOODBYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:27 PM
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4. Yes indeed, LIBERALLY-applied irony here.
And a side of snickers (and I'm NOT talking the candy bar, either).
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:33 PM
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5. WELL
I'll be Goddammed

PS: Thank God I'm an atheist..
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:37 PM
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7. Welcome to DU Catfight
Join in the Fun :-) :-)
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:39 PM
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9. Thanks
I've been throughly enjoying all the enlightening comments on this website! Glad to be apart of it.
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Ratty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:39 PM
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8. I love this article
Let's hope we see more of this stuff on the mainstream media.
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:41 PM
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10. Darn it, can't find the link
that shows that the red states and the bible belt in general have much higher divorce rates than the supposedly immoral, sanctity-of-marriage-hating, liberal blue states.

Does anybody have it?
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Melsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 12:43 PM
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11. Heh
Schadenfreude anyone?

Does anyone know where you can get divorce statistics for various religions?
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devinsgram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 01:20 PM
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12. Ain't that a hoot !!!!
Their jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 01:28 PM
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13. Judge not, lest you be judged yourself.
This is exactly the situation Jesus was (allegedly) referring to. Humility isn't just a virtue, it saves face!
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chicagojoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 03:33 PM
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16. I'm judged daily, and I'm gonna judge back twice as hard.
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Ratty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 04:23 PM
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19. This all just goes to show
Christian Conservatives aren't against gay marriage because they fear for the sanctity of traditional marriage, they simply hate gays. Pure and simple. I've never seen a single rational argument from them about how exactly gay marriage "threatens" traditional marriage. Usually there's one or two right wingers around who take the time to formulate some kind of marginally logical argument when these kinds of hot-button issues arise, but in the case of gay marriage I have never seen it. They just trot out the notion of the "sanctity" of marriage (never bothering to explain how it's constitutional to consider religious concepts when determining the rule of law, or even bothering to define just what sanctity is), and how traditional marriage would be threatened (again, with never a word of reasoning behind it).

In today's increasingly tolerant and accepting society, even they shy away from simply admitting they hate gays, but really there's no other reason for their position (and I usually try and maintain a balanced attitude toward these things).

As a gay columnist put it, straights have already screwed up marriage, it's hard to see how gays could make it any worse.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 01:47 PM
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14. The Reverend Billy James Hargis!


(snip) (From his book Communist America…Must It Be?, New Leaf Press, 1986)

Dr. Billy James Hargis is Founder and Director of the Christian Crusade Ministries (Church of the Christian Crusade, Inc., Billy James Hargis Evangelistic Association, Inc.), an international Christian ministry dedicated to the fight "for Christ" and against godless Communism. His activities include daily and weekly radio broadcasts heard throughout America and in foreign lands over many radio stations, an international monthly newspaper, Christian Crusade Newspaper, with a circulation of nearly 50,000 and a one-hour weekly syndicated television program, "Billy James Hargis Down on the Farm." Dr. Hargis also makes many personal appearances annually in scores of American cities as well as conducting annual overseas crusades.

Known to millions as "America's Crusading Evangelist," Billy James Hargis is either loyally supported or bitterly attacked by all who are exposed to his far-reaching ministry. Communists all over the world oppose him…the powerful, liberal church-related World and National Councils of Churches have sought to smear and discredit him, but Dr. Hargis carries on his crusade "for Christ and against Communism" to the Free World unflinchingly and courageously.

Headquarters of the Billy James Hargis Ministries are located in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and on the Rose of Sharon Farm in Neosho, Missouri. He has written over 100 books. His current new books published by New Leaf Press include The Federal Reserve Scandal and My Great Mistake (an autobiography). He is listed in the current publications of Who's Who in the World and Who's Who in the United States. He has appeared on most of the leading TV talk shows with Phil Donahue, Tom Snyder, Mike Wallace, etc. He had led over 175 Holy Land pilgrimages during which time he lectured on 'The Lands of the Bible" themes. He is credited, along with his friend for over 30 years, Dr. Carl McIntyre, as having given birth to the "Christian Right" and bringing back "Christian Fundamentalism" to America at the close of World War II.

Billy James Hargis held right-wing views on the JFK assassination, blaming it squarely on the Communist conspiracy in America. His views on this subject and on Communism in general are expressed in his 1964 book The Far Left, which we reproduce in its entirety.
(snip/...)
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/the_critics/Hargis/Hargisbio.html

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(snip) Billy James Hargis, now in his 70's, built a career howling against the usual things that irritate the umbrageous right; sex, permissiveness, drugs, communism. A flat faced Oklahoman with the porcine eyes of a prison guard, he went from nowhere to top billing on 140 tv and 500 radio stations. He founded a Christian college and a newspaper which attained a circulation of 200,000. He got rich, of course, but as the bible tells us, money isn't everything.

In the mid-seventies, two students from his Bible College testified that the Reverend had officiated at their wedding ceremony, gone along on the honeymoon, and took his turn with the bride. And then with the groom. Then it came out that Hargis had been bringing college choir boys to his farm. Exhorting them with the biblical passage about David's friendship with Jonathan, and threatening them with blacklisting if they talked, Billy took them into his bed and did his devilish business with them. (The name of the choir was the "All American Kids.")

Confronted with these accusations, Hargis admitted it all, blaming it on "Genes and chromosomes." That confused his critics for a moment. Billy James had never been the kind of guy to trot in scientific arguments, so he stepped things up. He withdrew his confession and bounded back to the college. He claimed that the Lord had forgiven him, and, just in case He hadn't, held on to the mailing lists. He blamed his barnyard buggery on "Liberal subversion" and "The forces of Satan out to silence anti-communism." Before you laugh, bear in mind that this sort of Christian logic has elected more than a few American politicians.
(snip/...)

http://www.postfun.com/pfp/features/97/oct/hargis.html



(snip)
"The Sins of Billy James"
Time, February 16, 1967, p. 52
"...An ultra-right fundamentalist, Hargis, 50, has long denounced sexual sin and spoken out as a defender of traditional virtues in an increasingly lax society. In 1968, his organization published the bestseller (250,000 copies) Is the School House the Proper Place to Teach Raw Sex?

Today, however, Hargis standa accused by former colleagues of commiting some of the very sins he has railed against. Time Correspondent Anne Constable and Reporters Richard Walker and Tom Carter have earned that five students—four of them men—at his American Christian College in Tulsa have come forward and said that President Hargis has had sexual relations with them. Asked about the charges, Hargis declined to give any specific reply. Through a lawyer, he stated: 'I have made more than my share of mistakes. I'm not proud of them.'...

It was at the college that Hargis' sexual troubles surfaced in October 1974, when the first of five students confessed to then Vice President David Noebel. Noebel's account: Not long beforem Hargis had conducted a wedding for the student; on the honeymoon, the groom and his bride discovered that both of them had slept with Hargis. Later, Noebel says, three more male students told him of having sexual relations with Hargis over a period of three years. They said the trysts had taken place in Hargis' office, at his farm in the Ozarks, even during his tours with the college choir, the "All-American Kids". Noebel was told that Hargis had justified his homosexual trysts by citing the Old Testament friendship between David and Jonathan and threatened to blacklist the youths for life if they talked.

...Finally, on Oct. 25, 1974, Noebel and two other college officials confronted Hargis and two of his lawyers. According to two of those present, Hargis, who has a wife, three daughters and da son, admitted his guilt and blamed his behavior on "genes and chromosomes".
(snip/...)

http://members.shaw.ca/libraryan/rainbowthreads/hargis.html
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 03:36 PM
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17. Genes and chromosomes?
It wasn't...SATAN?

I wonder if he understands what genes and chromosomes are? Seems odd that he'd blame his lineage rather than Bill Clinton.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 03:08 PM
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15. You won't be able to believe this.........
Posted 3/18/2004 2:14 PM



Georgia couple arrested after debate over 'Passion of the Christ' turns violent

STATESBORO, Ga. (AP) — A couple was arrested after their argument over a theological point turned physical following a night at the movies to see The Passion of the Christ.

The two left the theater debating whether God the Father in the Holy Trinity was human or symbolic, and the argument turned violent when they got home, Melissa Davidson said.

"It was the dumbest thing we've ever done," she said.

Davidson, 34, and her husband, Sean Davidson, 33, were charged with simple battery on March 11 after the two called police on each other. Messages left with police Thursday were not immediately returned.
(snip/...)

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2004-03-18-couple-fight-passion_x.htm

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It's a little off topic, but it's too wierd to be overlooked.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-04 03:43 PM
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18. Groan. and people like this VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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