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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:09 AM
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Judy Shepard rejects Rep. Foxx's apology
Source: MSNBC

NEW YORK - Judy Shepard doesn't think Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., was sincere when she apologized for calling the 1998 murder of Shepard's son, Matthew, "a hoax."

"Attacks of lesser consequence have been said about Matt since the beginning... but I never expected it to be called 'a hoax,'" said Shepard Thursday on "The Rachel Maddow Show."

During a debate in the House of Representatives Wednesday, Foxx said that the death of Matthew Shepard shouldn't be used to justify a hate crimes bill because it wasn't a hate crime. Foxx said Shepard was killed during a robbery.

In a statement released the following day, Foxx said her comments didn't convey what she meant to say. "The term 'hoax' was a poor choice of words used in the discussion of the hate crimes bill," Foxx said.

...

Judy Shepard, who was present when Foxx made the remarks, was unconvinced by the clarification. "It's apologizing for semantics but not her sentiment, her insensitivity or her ignorance," she said on MSNBC.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30505428 /
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:15 AM
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1. Judy Needs to Call Out The 12 Dems
who voted against this bill.

They are just as ignorant as this backwards woman from NC.
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NOW tense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:36 AM
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10. Isn't it 17 Dems?
Edited on Fri May-01-09 11:37 AM by NOW tense
or am I looking at the wrong roll call

http://www.opencongress.org/roll_call/sublist/5506?part...
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:54 AM
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15. My Bad
bad on them, bad, bad, bad.
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NOW tense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 01:36 PM
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40. Agreed! they are bad. n/t
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #40
54. Video of Interview HERE:
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destes Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:46 AM
Response to Reply #10
65. DINO's are bad.........ummmokay?
You're my hero. You introduced me to opencongress.org.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #1
11. Yes, And Let's Remind Everyone Again EXACTLY Who They Were
Mostly from the south if my memory serves me correctly. Sit, they're not even DINOs.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #1
14. But... but... they're DEMOCRATS!
As long as they have that (D) behind their name, they remain our only hope against greed and ignorance.


(Do I really need to use the :sarcasm: tag?)
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #14
34. It's probably best you use the tag
I'm afraid there are some people who might say what you did and mean it. We would probably be told that these 17 Dinos were "voting their districts" - like that makes it okay.

If a Democrat doesn't stand against bigotry, what does s/he stand for?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #34
67. Getting re-elected time and time again by their corporate pimps
I think most Dinos couldn't even name six or seven "core Democratic values". They only have the (D) behind their names because that's the way their district swings.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #14
41. What ?
You meen ya wer nat series ?1??

Yeah,some peoples need that tag because they were born without a sarcasm meter.Sad.

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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #14
71. and, and - WE HAVE A VETO PROOF MAJORITY NOW!!! 60 VOTES!!!
THAT'S going really well, isn't it!
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:15 AM
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2. Go Judy! The House of representatives needs to censure Foxx...
...nothing less.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:18 AM
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5. Alas, I don't think stupidity and insensitivity are grounds for censure.
Perhaps a good, old-fashioned shunning is called for.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:07 PM
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19. No, but deliberate lying is...
...calling it a hoax when it certainly isn't says premediated lying to me.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #5
23. I was thinking more along the lines of a caning;
Maybe it's not a declared civil war, yet, but I can see multiple divisions happening soon.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #23
44. What about a scarlet letter ?
A big S for Shitbag.

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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. ROFLMAO!
I needed that!
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. I'm glad I made you feel better.

My main goal in life is to make everybody ROFLMAO. :)

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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #47
49. What clinched it was the you put the "S" in boldface.
It's all about details. ;)
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. Lol,yeah.

I think you're right.Yep,details. :)


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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #5
55. I think shunning should be employed more often!
:thumbsup:

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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 03:15 AM
Response to Reply #55
61. Effective, non-violent and totally organic! n-t
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:16 AM
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3. Foxx's statement is not on her website.
I am inclined to agree with Judy about the insincerity of the apology.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:17 AM
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4. Two days ago I had never heard of Rep. Foxx.
Now I have and she's in Bachmann territory for both stupid and crazy.

How many more Republicans of this "quality" are out there?

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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:24 AM
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7. she was a bigtime Bushie

Rep. Foxx shares a laugh with Vice President Dick Cheney and former Majority Leader Tom DeLay on the House floor.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. Bushie = Stupid and Crazy.
Yep.

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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #7
56. :::barrrrf:::: Oh, so disgusting. n/t
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boilinmad Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #7
66. Can you imagine....
....what these three idiots are talking about? Delay's eye-job? Cheneys gun accident? The cute little puppy that Foxx just ate?
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #4
13. How many Republicans are there out there? n/t
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #4
35. Too freaking many.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #4
43. "Two days ago..."

Same thing for me.What an horrible disgusting bat. :(
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #4
69. She's a real piece of shit, all right.
Edited on Sat May-02-09 11:14 AM by OnyxCollie
Here's another example of her antics:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Republican also defends attacks on Obama, Clinton


Rep. Virginia Foxx says she believes God will judge people for sins of omission as well as commission, so the Banner Elk Republican had a message she couldn't keep to herself.

"You should fear for your country," Foxx told a gathering of members of the Charlotte Chamber of Commerce.

The Democratic majority in Congress has become "bolder and bolder" with tax dollars and the rules of the House, she told the business leaders at their annual Washington meeting.

"I am trying to scare you to death," she said.

...

She also defended comments she made to a local radio program, 3WC radio's "Focus on the Foothills," about Democratic Sens. Hillary Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois. Foxx said the presidential candidates "basically are socialists, he more than she."

"I believe they are socialists, and if you look at their platforms you will see their plan is to take money from part of the population and give it to other people in the population," she said later, referring to their universal health care plans.

"I don't know the dictionary definition of socialism, but most people would see that as socialism."
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #69
72. I know what I know - don't try to confuse me with the FACTS...!!!
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #4
70. many I'm afraid -- there is nothing extraordinary about Virgie Fox
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:20 AM
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6. K&R..........n/t
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:33 AM
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9. I loved that KO said Foxx's "apology" shouldn't be contingent upon
Shepard's reaction to Foxx's remarks. ("I'm sorry IF I hurt...blah...blah...blah.") Either Foxx is sorry or she's not.

I think we know she's not.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 01:06 PM
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:37 AM
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12. Judy Shepard is really an incredible advocate.
I've always been struck by how articulate and astute she is, despite the fact that her advocacy was essentially thrust upon her by a person tragedy. Which makes you realize how utterly worthless some "professional advocates" can be. Her response to that vile creature from NC really distills the point perfectly.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:00 PM
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16. Good for her!
People in this country need to finally learn to be less conciliatory towards ignorance. And less tolerant of it.

And people who preach "tolerance" really aren't tolerant at all. The use of the word tolerance has merely become a politically correct way of covering up intolerance.

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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #16
57. +5
someone upthread suggested shunning. I would tend to support that.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:02 PM
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17. Good for her!
We're far too willing to accept these faux apologies as a magic wand to wipe away whatever filth bigots spew. I hope Judy Shepard is given many opportunities to comment on Foxx's ignorance and bigotry over the coming weeks.
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:06 PM
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18. Does Rep. Fuxx consider herself a Xtian?
If so, that's sure some helluva way she's found there to promote Xtian values.
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patriotvoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. Yes, she does. But Christian in the Old Testatment sense.
Jesus is used only expediently; otherwise, it's eye-for-an-eye and God hates fags.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 03:20 AM
Response to Reply #21
63. Old Testament Christians. That CAN'T be kosher! n-t
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patriotvoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:07 PM
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20. "It's apologizing for semantics but not her sentiment". Right on, but Judy needs to realize ...
that's how many Southerner's apologize. The problem is, you never can tell when they're sincere and when they're not. I doubt Foxx was sincere. She's evil to the core: seeing as she's my next door neighbor district representative, I can speak with some intimate knowledge of her core bigotry.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #20
58. well, you've got me full of curiosity now...
yeah dirty laundry, I know...... :evilgrin:

still, stories over a campfire and beer would be a trip :D
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:17 PM
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22. What an evil person Virginia Foxx is
I loathe her, and I don't blame Judy Shepard for not accepting the non-apology.

I would spit in Foxx's face if I ever meet her in person.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:22 PM
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24. It was a non-apology apology anyway.....all she did was blame the media.
Typical Repug POS.
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Jeep789 Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #24
38. And apparently the only media she uses is Faux News
That alone shows she is completely ignorant and unqualified to make rational decisions that affect the country.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:22 PM
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25. Good on her!
I never met Judy but I met Matthew. Foxx is BEYOND an a$$hole...may she crash and burn, the biatch! :mad:
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:23 PM
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26. Good for Judy
What Rep. Foxx said was repellent and inexcusable.

:mad:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:24 PM
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27. Foxx just another uncouth woman like Bachmann
I wouldn't accept an apology from Foxx she was quite wrong with her details or facts of the horrible event.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:27 PM
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28. virginia foxx is an ignorant slimeball -- a bag of foul smelling shame around the neck of her family
IF she and her family take offence at that -- i apologize.

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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. *snort*
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:28 PM
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29. She needs to explain WHY it was a "poor choice of words."
Does this mean that she believe this was NOT a hoax, and that indeed it was a crime motivated by anti-gay prejudice? If this is not the case, then she is indeed insincere. The non-apology "apologies" are the worst thing ever.
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Blandocyte Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. Indeed.
A little more detail on her part would be welcome.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:32 PM
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31. Good. I'm glad she did. It will force Foxx
to keep explaining herself.

It was absolutely horrible saying what she said on the House floor to Judy Shephard's face like that.

:grr:
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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:32 PM
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32. I'm glad she did
That was embarrassing and I'm originally from North Carolina
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 12:36 PM
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 01:33 PM
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39. These cold blooded bigots need to be called out. Good for Ms. Shepard.
K&R
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Sheets of Easter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 02:36 PM
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42. As well she should.
Foxx's "apology" was more of an admission of "oops, I should've chosen my words better" than an apology of wrongdoing.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 02:47 PM
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45. Is there a video of that ghoul apologizing ?

I just logged in so I'm pretty clueless about that "apology".

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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 03:24 PM
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48. I was just listening to Thom Hartmann on XM,
and he was referring to this topic. He made specific reference to this DU headline!

pnorman
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:23 PM
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51. Neil Boortz was pushing this hate on his show
I heard him claiming that Shephard was simply the victim of a random robbery, that hate had nothing to do with it.

In other words, these rethugs think it's okay to declare "open season" on homosexuals. It's not hate, after all. :sarcasm:
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:35 PM
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52. Good!
That's it! That's it! Foxx deserves NOTHING!!!!!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:53 PM
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53. Bravo, Judy.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 09:47 PM
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59. That's the way not to accept
a faux "apology". Fuck virginia fox and her semantics.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 11:58 PM
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60. Virginia has reviewed that suckie "apology" since - I am a constituent (sorry to say)
she probably got alot of calls today.

I called the DC office. I am unfortunately a constituent of hers.

Her new apology actually sounds real, unlike this other one.

I did tell her assistant that Ms Foxx ought to think about how'd she like that if it
were her child tortured, bludgeoned and tied to a fence, and the only place on his face
that wasn't blood covered was where his tears trailed?

She would have to do something for victims of hate crimes to win any redemption.

However, the stupid old battle ax is also pro torture.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 03:17 AM
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62. Thank you for calling her office. n-t
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mrbarber Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:43 AM
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64. Souless harpy.
A pox on her.
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:55 AM
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68. Some things are out-and-out unforgivable
Premeditated lying in order to dismiss the circumstances of a brutal hate crime is a hate crime in itself coming from an individual who is sworn to legislate and uphold laws that protect the life and liberty of ALL citizens. What a piece of work. She even outdoes Michele Bachmann on this one.
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