Former KKK leader detained in Prague

[sabra]

Source: AP

PRAGUE (AP) -- Former Klan leader David Duke has been detained by police in the Czech Republic on suspicion of denying the Holocaust.

Duke went there at the invitation of neo-Nazis to promote the Czech translation of a book he wrote.

A police spokesman says the book includes a denial of the Holocaust.

The denial is a crime that is punishable by up to three years in Czech prisons.

Read more: http://www.weartv.com/template/inews_wire/wires.international/30b6f1a8-www.weartv.com.shtml

[LostinVA]

1. Good!

(cue posters saying having holocaust denial be a crime is 1.) a thought crime, and 2.) against freedom o speech)

[Dr Fate]

3. Perhaps Global Warming denial will be a crime some day.

(cue posters saying having Global Warming denial be a crime is 1.) a thought crime, and 2.) against freedom o speech)

[LostinVA]

8. David Dukes isn't in the United States

Countries affected so horribly by the Holocaust have a right to ban Holocaust denial. Equating the Holocaust with Global Warming is such a strawman. But, continue your strawly mocking, it's very cute.

[Dr Fate]

15. Wasn't really trying to mock or be cute. Sorry if that was how I came across.

I actually thought you were the one who was mocking, in advance, anyone who might dare to find disagreement with you or Europeans on the issue of free speech.

Sorry for the confusion in either event.

I was not equating the Holocaust with Global Warming- I was equating false, stupid, uninformed speech with false, stupid, uninformed speech. Nothing more, nothing less.

"Torture Denial" could have just as easily been my topical example.

Sure, Govts in Europe have the right to ban whatever they want- I still assumed that good people could disagree with banning certain ideas or certain speech-even when it is speech they don't like or that is flat out false.

[barbtries]

20. i hope not

my own darling son is not convinced of the phenomenon.

[Dr Fate]

29. Then again, if "torture denial" was banned- we could get rid of the entire GOP and most of the media

Then again, if WMD denial had been banned a few years back, I guess I would be in jail. At least in my case, I had the facts on my side.

I'm never comfortable with making speech or even wrong ideas a crime.

[curiousdemo]

48. This is good!

Someone say Waterboard!

[destes]

28. Lostin is wrong

It's not cute at all

[Dr Fate]

31. If you have the ability, feel free to elaborate on or refute any point I make on this thread.

Whether anyone thinks I'm trying to be cute or not, I could care less- and it is certainly is not the topic or issue.

Still, I'm glad to apologize for what could have been percieved as frivolity.

[Bassic]

81. I agree,

good.

[Dr Fate]

2. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy, then again, why is there a law against being ignorant?

I can't stand the Klan, but I do think that idiots have the right to be idiots.

[Zodiak]

14. In the United States, yes

In many countries in Europe, no.

Here they are just idiots, but there, they are the seed by which the same horrors can be sown again. I cannot say I blame them, even though I disagree.

[Dr Fate]

16. Point taken. Obviously I see this from an American, Free-Speech absolutist POV. n/t

n/t

[Zodiak]

23. As you should

As do I, for that matter.

We are Americans, after all.

But I do understand their reasons. The Holocaust left deep scars. Probably as deep as our civil war.

[Dr Fate]

27. Interesting point- what if there was a "slavery denial" movement here in the US.

Would we ban such speech?

Would we need to?

Or would we be glad to expose such idiotic strawmen with our own counter-speech?

Very interesting thread here...

[tabasco]

75. There is a slavery denial movement.

Many Americans claim that slave owners were very kind to the slaves and that cruelty to slaves was frowned upon by gentile southern gentlemen.

[Jamastiene]

78. I hear a lot of that down here.

They also say the slaves fought alongside their masters in the Civil War voluntarily too.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

4. I thoroughly recommend that every white supremacist visits Europe

and voices their opinion on the Holocaust as loudly as possible. Preferably next to a police station.

[Ian David]

5. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! n/t

[Ian David]

6. David Duke Duke Duke is going to jail jail jail! n/t

[Ian David]

7. I don't see any evidence David Duke was arrested.

Do you see any evidence?

I think it's a hoax.

Let's not ask them to send him back.

Since I think the whole thing is a hoax.

[Jamastiene]

79. Let's hope he keeps opening his big ignorant mouth and they

slap more charges on him. Let them keep him indefinitely. We certainly don't need him. :evilgrin:

[sofa king]

9. I've been wondering what happened to Sideshow Bob.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideshow_Bob_Roberts

"Your guilty consciences may make you vote Democratic, but secretly you all yearn for a Republican president to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king!"

(Edit: That episode was from 1994. It was funnier before it became truth.)

[haele]

10. Conflict, Conflict -

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy - being criminally stupid in a foriegn country.
However, I do get squeege about possible free speech violation, even in foreign countries. Not a big one for fatwas on thought crimes.
But then again, incitement speech is not free speech, and if he's doing the "heil hitler, what a great leader" number, that's no different than what Rush-bomb and his ilk are doing right now.
And that sort of speech carries a strong measure of criminal intent to incite along with it - and should be prosecuted, just as waving an unloaded gun and screaming "Don't you dare make me pay those outrageous fees!" outside a bank isn't free speech.

Haele

[Ian David]

12. It's their country, their laws. He should have respected them.

We wouldn't let people from Prague come here and drive on the wrong side of the road, would we?

[Sequoia]

39. Don't people in Prague drive the same side of the road as us?

It's only those English who drive on the wrong side of the road. Heck, they took their driving rules to Jamacia too. Maybe even India for all I know.

[Ian David]

41. Well, we don't want them coming here and falling out our windows then. n/t

[jkirch]

50. Yes. India as well. Indonesia, too.

[24601]

58. Japan drives on the wrong side, too. Also Australia and

New Zealand. Im sure there are others.

[nichomachus]

21. Our "free speech" isn't everyone's

Different countries see it different ways.

In the US, for example, the truth is a prime defense against libel. If I call someone a child molester and they are in fact a child molester, they can win a libel judgment against me.

In the UK, truth is not a defense against libel and you can lose a case, even if what you say is true.

I some countries, you can't make advertising claims that belittle your competitors -- which you're allowed to do in the US. In fact, in some countries, you can't even say that your product is "the best," because that implies criticism of competitors.

We are not the standard against which other people are to be measured.

A lot of countries looked at the way we do things and said "no thanks."

[pitohui]

46. there is no conflict, he was told not to go to prague, this is a publicity stunt IMHO

duke makes a lot of $$$ going to foreign countries, posing as a senator from louisiana (which he never was), and getting funds from anti-semites (such as in syria) and from prominent neo-nazis (he had many neo-nazi supporters who kept him living in the style to which he was accustomed in russia during his time on the lam from the usa federal law)

duke is a thief who didn't pay state or federal income tax for 20 years on money he stole from supporters by spouting neo-nazi hate and then taking the money and gambling it like crazy in the casinos -- yet he ended up serving only a token sentence even though he spent three years on the run

you try not paying taxes for 20 years, you try getting garbage bags full of cash from your supporters at rallies, and then gambling that cash in public casinos where everyone sees you spending many thousands of dollars at a time -- you do that for 20 years, then when you're caught for tax evasion, you run out of the country and live in russia for 3 years and only come back when you've cut a very token short sentence deal in a min. security prison!!!!

you would never get that deal, only this guy with his knowledge of where the bodies are buried (there are lots of hidden racists in this country) could get that deal

duke has just spent A LOT Of time in syria getting money from interests fundamentally opposed to american ideals of equality and fairness, esp. promoting the anti-jewish screed he has written, he is being paid to spread hate against our allies in israel and also spreading propaganda aga. our soldiers fighting in iraq -- you may not like the war in iraq but it crosses a line when you start making out the soldier on the ground there to be a war criminal at a time when they're under a hella lot of stress to begin with

he has gotten away with much too much, and he was even warned (according to what i just read, i've not seen the guy around these parts since his jail sentence) NOT to go to prague to promote his anti-semitic book -- he had EVERY chance to back away -- instead he prefers to grab the attention of his neo-nazi buddies and keep his worthless ass in the news -- he knew the law, he just didn't fucking care

sorry for the rant, but this "person" hardly qualifies as a human being and it just gets my goat that he was allowed to walk away with SO MUCH $$$ for spreading hate

propagandists and those who spread hate, yah, put them in prison, there is no reason to be promoting the views of hitler during a time of war

[baldguy]

11. I gues you can outlaw stupidity...

[KamaAina]

13. My favorite Czech expat in NOLA is gonna LOVE this!

:bounce:

[bluestateguy]

17. It's called abusing freedom of speech

Freedom of speech does not protect denial of incontovertible objective facts.

Waterboard him.

[Dr Fate]

22. Are you talking American law or European law?

In America, the only examples I know of are "obscene" speech, "fighting words" and speech that might cause the audience to act out in "imminent" violence- also, there are truth in advertising standards as well.

I have no idea what the standards are in Eastern Europe.

Hey, it's their country, I guess.

On Edit: I forgot defamation (slander & libel)and probably something else too

[Politicalboi]

18. Does Duke think he's Bush?

If he didn't know the law then I guess he should have stayed home.

[barbtries]

19. haha

three years in prison? i hope they throw the "book" at him.

[valerief]

24. Ain't it swell? Hope he gets his 3 years in prison there. He won't be missed here. nt

[mrbarber]

25. Good lord.....

Didn't he think to check on what the laws of the land were before visiting?

[SemperEadem]

32. nope... that's hubris for you. Ignorance is paramount.

if you want to hide anything from an American, put it in a book.

[Dr Fate]

35. LOL! In that respect, I guess there is a law against being stupid. n/t

n/t

[salguine]

26. As much as I feel deep happiness at the thought of

David Duke sitting in a Czech prison ending up married to whoever has the most cigarettes, I can't feel good about any situation in which someone can be arrested and sent to prison for something they think or say or write, no matter how repugnant it may be.

[pitohui]

55. it's more than just something he says or writes, he takes MONEY from neo nazis

he meets with them, he takes their cash to continue promoting their crap, he gambles their cash, and at no time does he pay any taxes on it

i guarantee it, the prague authorities are not just dreaming that neo-nazis were going to attend his lecture, they were going to attend his lecture and GIVE THIS FUCKTARD MONEY and he was going to probably blow it in the nearest casino the minute he got off the plane

i'm sick of this shit, i've watched him too many times blowing a fucking fortune, he needs to learn what it's like to work for a living -- why do the rest of us who are honest have to pay taxes and he can fuck all do as he pleases?

he should not be allowed to profit and live high on the hog selling hate, when the rest of us are struggling

our federal authorities didn't have the gonads to charge and convict him for what he did, they got him on a token charge and a token sentence, so if he gets more of what is coming to him over there, fine it's only about 25 or 30 years too late if you ask me!

let me ask you this-- if YOU had been on the run from the feds for 3 years in russia taking money from neo-nazis, what deal would the FBI cut YOU to allow you to return to america and then to later continue to travel all over the world on an american passport? because i hate to tell you, you would NEVER, EVER get that deal

it's BECAUSE he is the face of hate that he has gotten away with so much over the years, there is a lot of hidden hate and racism in this country -- well, my guess is, there is NO ONE in the czech republic where he can say, "hey, if you arrest me, i'll tell that you were at my klan meeting" or "i'll say your daddy was a so-and-so in the klan with me"

ha!

[salguine]

60. That's not the law he's accused of breaking.

[SemperEadem]

30. fantastic!!!

where does he think he is? Amerikkka?

[Wizard777]

33. Hehehehehehe. It's not wise to impersonate the Magi or bastardize our religion.

[iandhr]

34. Holocaust Deniers are horrible

but arresting makes them martyrs to their sick cause.

[Dappleganger]

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[santamargarita]

37. Keep this asshole, we don't want him back...

three years in Czech prison, make it 30

[Sequoia]

38. Best news all day! Karma baby!

[zbdent]

40. maybe he can see if he likes being "waterboarded" ...

or "necklaced" ...

[jdadd]

42. Hmmmmmm......

Maybe he will supply his own sheets....:rofl:

[GoddessOfGuinness]

43. Too bad denying global warming exists isn't a crime

We might not be in the fix we're in today.

[Ken Burch]

44. You'd think he'd know enough to stay away from countries where they REMEMBER Nazism.

And especially from "the former Czechoslovakia".

They get a mite tetchy about swastikas in those parts.

[pitohui]

49. he knew, he didn't care

two different ministers -- interior minister, and human rights and minorities minister spoke out prior to his arrival (per the news reports)

i know for a fact that he has received lots of cash from neo-nazis in eastern europe, for instance, years ago i was in a casino when he returned from a meeting with neo-nazis in russia and i guess all that russian neo-nazi $$$ was burning a hole in his pocket, because you never saw a guy fly in the door of the casino so fast

my guess is that the prague police are correct and he wasn't just there to give a speech, he was there to solicit donations from neo-nazis, keep in mind, this dude is over 50 and has never, ever held a job, he gets it all as "gifts" from other nazis (and in america of course he used to also get "campaign donations" which he stole and gambled away, from the usual dumb ass rednecks and racists) -- i have seen him gambling thousands, pretty good for a dude who has never bothered to hold a job

[Ken Burch]

51. Given how violent those types are, why isn't Duke nervous

about it getting back to the would-be reichmarshals that he's gambling their donations away?

I'm pretty sure they'd respond to misappropriation of funds in a fairly, shall we say, DIRECT manner.

[pitohui]

56. they never have and i have a few ideas about that -- marks don't like to admit they've been fooled

you get this w. any con artist, but the folks i know who have been to the rallies and david duke barbecues and have described the bags full of cash donations to me, are not the same people who to the casinos and watch him party down with those same bags full of cash (which didn't need to be described to me, as i have many times observed it myself)

a lot of rednecks are just stupid and never figured it out that their "donations" got thrown away, the rest i guess felt like idiots as it became obvious over the years that he was living as a rich man in mandeville (a rich area) yet never held any job or won any office since moving there, he is considered to be "tacky" and the local republicans were even looking for ways for blocking him having access to republican party funds -- they knew he would steal them under the guise of running for office

as far as the russians, i think they just never got a clue that the money went straight to casino magic, i used to wonder about that myself -- at some point, the fact that most neo-nazis probably can't easily travel to america has insulated duke from these guys finding out where the money actually went

he is a con artist first and foremost and although i find him repellent, he can apparently charm the right person

the only reason he went to jail at all, for any time, is his girlfriend finally had enough of him fucking around with all the other "good christian" neo-nazi supporters -- her testimony was finally enough to kick the fbi off their ass

i mean, every gambler in two states knew who he was and how high he gambled and how badly he played -- he was not one of your quiet, suffer in silence losers

[Baby Snooks]

45. Lets all chip in for the next KKK convention....

And send them all to Prague!

[onehandle]

47. How do Republicans travel abroad these days?

The risk of being arrested much be pretty great.

They need an Argentina to hide out in.

Or is that us now?

[Jefferson23]

52. ROFL, I love it! Fuck you David Duke

[Javaman]

53. And he wanted to be our latex saleman!

Bwahahahahaaha! dukes done. couldn't happen to a much more deserving mother fucker. Hope he rots in a Czech prison. I have a feeling they aren't quite as nice as ours.

[YDogg]

54. Oh, snap!

[iamthebandfanman]

57. bwahaha n/t

[JVS]

59. A Czech translation of David Duke's book?

:rofl:

Why?

[Hulk]

61. This is GREAT news!!

You can have him. WE DON'T WANT HIM BACK!! Keep him as looooong as you like.

One less racist pig on our soil. 50 million more to go!

[underpants]

62. Good

[AlBrattOnline]

63. david duke

promotion of his book could very well be a cover for what he
was really up to in this foreign country. his presence in the
czech repulic should be thoroughly investigated, even if it
means detaining him for a while.

[Vidar]

64. Score one for the Czechs.

[tomm2thumbs]

65. saaaa-weeeeeet! Now if we can only get Cheney to visit Spain

[bitchkitty]

66. Ha! Let him spend 3 years in a Czech prison.

That would shrink his tiny little nuts even further.

People like David Duke gave the South its bad name. Until the South shuns these kind of people, I'll never go back. And I LOVE Georgia.

[onager]

67. Czech-mate, asshole!

:rofl:

I was in Prague last June. Wonderful city. As a Fundamentalist Atheist, I really appreciate the statistic that the Czech Republic is "the most atheistic country in Europe."

Some posters in here are right--the Czechs still have very bitter feelings about the Nazi occupation of their country from 1938-45. I can understand why they clamp down on neo-Nazis like Dave Dookey.

History Geeks may remember that Prague was ruled by a guy who even Adolf Hitler called "the man without a heart"--Reinhard Heydrich, leader of the 1942 Wannsee Conference which summarized Jewish populations around the world (even in the US) and discussed how to kill them.

Heydrich was arrogant enough to cruise around Prague in an open Mercedes convertible. His daily commute was interrupted one morning when a hand grenade joined him for the ride, courtesy of the Czech Underground.

Several Czechs told me about the famous statue of Jan Huss in Old Town Square. During the Nazi occupation it was covered with swastika banners. During the 1968 occupa..., er, the occasion when Moscow extended fraternal socialist greetings to Prague by riding into the city on tanks...the Communists draped the Huss statue in black cloth.

Those were the usual futile attempts to make people forget the power of the individual human mind. Huss, you may recall, almost kicked off the Protestant Reformation a century before Martin Luther. After being invited to a meeting with the Pope, under a guarantee of safe passage, Huss was naturally burned at the stake.

And if you visit Prague, do not miss the Museum of Communism. Located beside a gambling casino, and above a McDonald's. Just in case you wondered how that whole "historical inevitability" thing turned out...

[drchoice22]

86. lol

the title is funny.

[Usrename]

68. hahaha

What a hugh moran.

[xchrom]

69. may they lose the keys. nt

[Rebellious Republican]

70. Quite the delima he is in, cause he is going to have ask that "BLACK"

President to step in and save his ignorant white racist ass. :dilemma:

This should be fun to watch, hey maybe Jesse Jackson Sr. can negotiate a deal for him. Bwahahahahahaha what a hoot!:rofl:


:popcorn:

[Hobarticus]

71. Europe has 20 million-plus reasons to prosecute Holocaust deniers....

...and by extension neo-Nazis if they see fit. Think they've earned the right to clean up their own garbage without us wagging our fingers at them.

[ardvark]

72. Speech crime arrests are nothing to cheer about

because they can set a harmfull president for when you are out of power

there are plenty of people who call concerns over what happened to palaestinians in gaza as 'anti-semetic'

some people think ALL critism of Israel is 'anti-semetic'

[Rebellious Republican]

80. I guess thats the differance that seems to be lost on freepers.....

we in America tolerate free speech, which I defended as a young man in the military. However, the dumb son of a bitch is in a foriegn country, no longer afforded the defense of the US constitution, which there does not seem to be much left after the Bush regime. Fuck the racist arrogant bastard, I hope he enjoys those big Czech cocks up his ass. You are defending an arrogant idiot rascist motherfucking jack ass who would love to shut down our freedoms here in America for his one sided beliefs. So he is getting a taste of his own medicine, if he had his way here this is the night mare we would all be living. Got a come back to that?

[pleah]

73. Hahahahahahaha!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Ohio Joe]

74. Good

Fucking nazi douche bag belongs in prison.

[Raine]

76. Dumb Ass

some people never learn. :silly:

[Jamastiene]

77. The thought of David Duke in a Czech prison...

That sounds like a good idea. Hope they keep him the full three years. As a matter of fact, they can keep him indefinitely. We wouldn't mind, would we? :evilgrin:

[drchoice22]

82. David Duke released from jail, told to leave Czech Republic.

DUKE IS FREE :(


04-25-2009 09:04 AM CET
Speaker of Prague police Jan Mikulovsky told CTK (Czech Press Agency) that Duke was released this night. Mikulovsky explained that state prosecutor did not propose custody because penalty of crime, for which police accused Mr. Duke is low.

Duke's attorney Mrs. Slamova told, that Immigration and Citizenship Police made out exit visa to Duke and until midnight local time he has to leave Czech Republic.

She criticize approach of authorities and marked the Duke remains in Czech prosecuted and he should has right to read official files, contact his advocates and attend another tasks of criminal proceedings. She wants also submit complain against procedure during police action.

Source (in czech) http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/domov/krim...i-odjet/373195.
New article in english: http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/news/zprav...epublic/373203


in another interview:

Duke had this to say "Israeli secret service infiltration knows no boundaries, It is just due to protests outside the police station and to the Czech embassy that I wasn't murdered while in their custody, this being said, I will leave with my life gladly. But remember, one day it could be you that the Zionists come after."

[livetohike]

83. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[drchoice22]

85. Thanks, I've been lurking

for quite some time now!

[Robeson]

84. Bummer.

[onager]

87. "...the ZIONISTS come after?"

:rofl:

So now it was the usual Mossad conspiracy.

But these clowns are always remarkably silent about a certain earlier conspiracy by a different foreign government:

At the outbreak of World War II, over 92,000 Jews lived in Prague, almost 20 percent of the city’s population. Prague was one of the largest Jewish communities in Europe.

At least two-thirds of the Jewish population of Prague perished in the Holocaust.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Prague.html

[JayMusgrove]

88. This man is clearly demented and dangerous....I hope the USA

refuses re-entry to him when he tries to get back in... ships him back to the nation he flew in from on a return flight.

That would be justice!

[drchoice22]

89. lol that would be funny

and I would enjoy it greatly!