humbled_opinion
(1000+ posts)
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Tue Apr-14-09 09:53 AM
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| Federal agency warns of radicals on right |
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Source: Washington TimesThe Department of Homeland Security is warning law enforcement officials about a rise in "rightwing extremist activity," saying the economic recession, the election of America's first black president and the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias. A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority. "It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," the warning says. The White House has distanced itself from the analysis. When asked for comment on its contents, White House spokesman Nick Shapiro said, "The President is focused not on politics but rather taking the steps necessary to protect all Americans from the threat of violence and terrorism regardless of its origins. He also believes those who serve represent the best of this country, and he will continue to ensure that our veterans receive the respect and benefits they have earned." Read more: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-age... /
About Time....Can't wait to see the Right side talking heads explode on this one... Giggle 
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hey, they should go right ahead and do something |
sui generis |
Apr-14-09 09:57 AM |
#1 |
 
Who's more dangerous?????????? |
AnneD |
Apr-14-09 03:37 PM |
#41 |
  
David Koresh? |
sui generis |
Apr-14-09 04:07 PM |
#44 |
 
Well.... |
AnneD |
Apr-14-09 04:33 PM |
#45 |
  
Agree! |
The abyss |
Apr-14-09 07:48 PM |
#63 |
  
in my mind, child rape doesn't count as "no harm" |
harmonicon |
Apr-15-09 07:52 AM |
#95 |
   
Child rape is just freedom of religion isn't it? |
get the red out |
Apr-15-09 08:53 AM |
#124 |
  
unfortunately, we'll never really know, because justice was not carried out |
harmonicon |
Apr-15-09 09:13 AM |
#131 |
  
Yes, because the cultists would rather die than face justice |
get the red out |
Apr-15-09 09:33 AM |
#132 |
   
the world is a fucked up place |
harmonicon |
Apr-15-09 09:35 AM |
#133 |
   
I remember |
AnneD |
Apr-15-09 11:10 AM |
#164 |
  
Uhm |
kenfrequed |
Apr-15-09 11:58 AM |
#173 |
  
messianic type-but he was not the devil as portrayed either. |
AlbertCat |
Apr-15-09 12:07 PM |
#175 |
  
Yes, child rape is a sacrament, we must respect the religion |
get the red out |
Apr-15-09 02:19 PM |
#195 |
  
I assume the sheriff told him to surrender to the authoriities. |
tabasco |
Apr-15-09 07:04 PM |
#211 |
  
The whole conflict started when the feds TRIED to serve a warrant |
9119495 |
Apr-15-09 09:55 AM |
#144 |
   
This is why we should ban guns |
RalphieD |
Apr-15-09 10:57 AM |
#158 |
    
those kind of people would still get them some how |
harmonicon |
Apr-15-09 11:45 AM |
#171 |
     
Probably right |
RalphieD |
Apr-15-09 12:14 PM |
#177 |
    
because? |
harmonicon |
Apr-15-09 02:35 PM |
#200 |
    
Isn't it obvious? |
RalphieD |
Apr-15-09 03:45 PM |
#204 |
    
I don't really see how that would solve anything |
harmonicon |
Apr-15-09 11:54 PM |
#218 |
    
nope. |
9119495 |
Apr-15-09 02:09 PM |
#194 |
   
Per Wickopedia..... |
AnneD |
Apr-15-09 03:31 PM |
#203 |
  
just murder |
AlbertCat |
Apr-15-09 12:04 PM |
#174 |
  
not good for the children!! |
harmonicon |
Apr-15-09 02:29 PM |
#197 |
  
They had an illegal stash of weapons |
get the red out |
Apr-15-09 08:51 AM |
#123 |
  
He married a 7 year old girl |
9119495 |
Apr-15-09 08:57 AM |
#125 |
   
Thank you |
get the red out |
Apr-15-09 09:35 AM |
#134 |
  
so ... don't mind the fact that federal agents were shot and killed by |
zbdent |
Apr-15-09 09:51 AM |
#142 |
   
Once again BAN GUNS! |
RalphieD |
Apr-15-09 10:58 AM |
#159 |
  
Banning guns is ridiculous |
AlbertCat |
Apr-15-09 12:13 PM |
#176 |
  
BAN BAN BAN |
RalphieD |
Apr-15-09 12:15 PM |
#178 |
  
I'm in the "right" mind to agree with you....pa-pum-pum |
poboyross |
Apr-15-09 09:55 AM |
#143 |
   
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Apr-15-09 10:03 AM |
#147 |
    
Thx for the welcome.... |
poboyross |
Apr-15-09 10:23 AM |
#152 |
   
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Apr-15-09 11:03 AM |
#162 |
   
at last... |
AnneD |
Apr-15-09 07:23 PM |
#212 |
   
did that justify running a tank through the side of his building, thus starting a blaze |
AlbertCat |
Apr-15-09 12:16 PM |
#179 |
  
You suppose too much. |
poboyross |
Apr-15-09 12:44 PM |
#191 |
  
Oh Christ.....morre Koresh defenders. |
zanne |
Apr-15-09 11:00 AM |
#161 |
 
I don't know if they're Koresh defenders. |
poboyross |
Apr-15-09 11:56 AM |
#172 |
 
Big mess |
get the red out |
Apr-15-09 02:24 PM |
#196 |
 
Well said..... |
poboyross |
Apr-15-09 04:43 PM |
#207 |
 
No need to insult Bobcats. Now, a "shit house rat" works great :-) |
RBInMaine |
Apr-15-09 06:47 AM |
#85 |
 
Be careful with this report |
TellTheTruth82 |
Apr-15-09 08:17 AM |
#100 |

I find the classification of state's rights as being radical as offensive |
Roadcyclist |
Apr-15-09 09:01 AM |
#126 |

Think *secessionist.* |
Bette Noir |
Apr-15-09 09:46 AM |
#140 |

Since when is "state's rights" not "government?" |
AlbertCat |
Apr-15-09 12:21 PM |
#182 |

They're not going to like that. |
Renew Deal |
Apr-14-09 09:59 AM |
#2 |

Dear WaTimes; how has the WH "distanced itself from the analysis"? |
LynnTheDem |
Apr-14-09 10:00 AM |
#3 |
 
It is the Washington TIMES not the POST after all... Pass the fruitcake, please |
FailureToCommunicate |
Apr-14-09 10:27 AM |
#8 |

We should call them by their rightful names, The American Taliban. nt |
nc4bo |
Apr-14-09 10:00 AM |
#4 |
 
And the American Talebornagains. |
LynnTheDem |
Apr-14-09 10:01 AM |
#6 |
  
Yeah Talebornagain is more polite than |
hootinholler |
Apr-14-09 02:00 PM |
#30 |
   
LOL! |
LynnTheDem |
Apr-14-09 06:44 PM |
#58 |
   
I like Talibangelicals, myself n/t |
TechBear_Seattle |
Apr-15-09 09:03 AM |
#127 |
  
I think all the mass shootings lately are a sign of what's to come.... |
zanne |
Apr-15-09 11:04 AM |
#163 |
 
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Apr-14-09 10:42 AM |
#13 |
 
Yes. It's time to start out these radicals before they take the country down. |
Xenotime |
Apr-14-09 02:34 PM |
#34 |

recommend |
xchrom |
Apr-14-09 10:01 AM |
#5 |

How Refreshing! How Biblical! Somebody Got the Log Out! |
Demeter |
Apr-14-09 10:23 AM |
#7 |
 
Never got that... how can you have a log in your eye? |
gmoney |
Apr-14-09 05:28 PM |
#50 |
  
Poetic License, I Expect |
Demeter |
Apr-14-09 05:31 PM |
#51 |
  
Imagine cutting a birth day cake with a chain saw. Same type of analogy being made here. |
IsItJustMe |
Apr-15-09 08:23 AM |
#101 |
  
It was mistranslated |
SOS |
Apr-15-09 12:17 PM |
#180 |
 
I don't respect that |
get the red out |
Apr-15-09 09:38 AM |
#135 |

Besides...there were no guns when it was written. |
AlbertCat |
Apr-15-09 12:24 PM |
#185 |

I wonder how the right feels |
countingbluecars |
Apr-14-09 10:29 AM |
#9 |

Sounds like the current republican party to me.. |
skooooo |
Apr-14-09 10:32 AM |
#10 |
 
Yep, I agree. |
kjackson227 |
Apr-14-09 04:53 PM |
#49 |

Do we have this from a source other than The Moonie Times? n/t |
Ian David |
Apr-14-09 10:34 AM |
#11 |

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Apr-14-09 10:39 AM |
#12 |

DHS report warns of rightwing extremism |
kpete |
Apr-14-09 11:07 AM |
#14 |
 
I wonder what Faux News will have to say about this |
primavera |
Apr-14-09 11:07 AM |
#15 |
  
They probably think it will help their bottom line. |
alfredo |
Apr-14-09 12:00 PM |
#22 |
  
"Obama's DHS designates all Conservative organizations as 'terrorists'" n/t |
ieoeja |
Apr-14-09 02:32 PM |
#33 |
  
Fox is a terrorist media. |
L0oniX |
Apr-15-09 09:03 AM |
#128 |
  
They are trying to say that it is about vets |
Summermoondancer |
Apr-15-09 10:59 AM |
#160 |
  
or Mr. War Room Glen Beck... |
thebabbster |
Apr-15-09 10:33 PM |
#216 |
 
Yeah except this time you've got a major cable network openly fanning the flames. |
Mayberry Machiavelli |
Apr-14-09 11:07 AM |
#16 |
  
Yes indeed |
get the red out |
Apr-14-09 12:02 PM |
#23 |
  
With gun sales at all-time highs |
Auggie |
Apr-14-09 12:11 PM |
#24 |
 
All the more reason to put gun restrictions into place. |
Xenotime |
Apr-14-09 02:35 PM |
#35 |
 
Concerns that new restrictions on lawful ownership might be proposed are driving the sales. |
benEzra |
Apr-14-09 06:05 PM |
#54 |
 
After the thing in Texas... |
jberryhill |
Apr-15-09 09:13 AM |
#130 |
 
The government would never do that |
get the red out |
Apr-15-09 09:42 AM |
#136 |
 
So, you consider owning small-caliber rifles comparable to child rape? |
benEzra |
Apr-15-09 10:02 AM |
#146 |
 
I have a First Amendment right to free exercise of my religion /nt |
jberryhill |
Apr-15-09 11:35 AM |
#169 |
 
Subject to strict-scrutiny limitation, yes. Just like any other right in the Bill of Rights |
benEzra |
Apr-15-09 11:43 AM |
#170 |
 
They're as tightly controlled as |
AlbertCat |
Apr-15-09 12:31 PM |
#186 |
  
Possession of an actual AK-47 outside of police/military duty is a 10-year Federal felony. |
benEzra |
Apr-15-09 06:03 PM |
#209 |
 
You'll take my girls from my cold, dead fingers.... /nt |
jberryhill |
Apr-15-09 02:31 PM |
#199 |
 
duh! Ya think? n/t |
Norquist Nemesis |
Apr-14-09 11:07 AM |
#17 |
 
This report does not surprise me one bit. |
dogfacedboy |
Apr-14-09 11:07 AM |
#18 |

Am I Missing Something? |
swilton |
Apr-14-09 11:39 AM |
#19 |
 
This information was not put out for you .....lol.... |
humbled_opinion |
Apr-14-09 01:33 PM |
#25 |

Those three policemen in Pittsburgh might still be alive if they had this extra warning to |
FailureToCommunicate |
Apr-15-09 09:42 AM |
#137 |

the problem is |
thebabbster |
Apr-15-09 10:38 PM |
#217 |

Coincidence ? |
jaksavage |
Apr-14-09 11:57 AM |
#20 |

I'm seeing violent right wing talking points repeated by some on my |
alfredo |
Apr-14-09 12:00 PM |
#21 |

A little slow on the uptake, ain't they? |
HillWilliam |
Apr-14-09 01:44 PM |
#26 |
 
The PNAC'ers don't care because they are all rich and hide in |
Love Bug |
Apr-15-09 09:43 AM |
#138 |

It would have to get reported on Fox Snooze for heads to explode, no? n/t |
hootinholler |
Apr-14-09 01:50 PM |
#27 |

first they came for... |
crankmob |
Apr-14-09 01:50 PM |
#28 |
 
Who? The crazy right wing wackos advocating violence? |
SammyWinstonJack |
Apr-15-09 08:06 AM |
#97 |

Yes, i have a huge problem with it. |
crankmob |
Apr-15-09 02:37 PM |
#201 |

I don't think you've read the actual report, though |
stanwyck |
Apr-16-09 09:13 AM |
#222 |

The Washington Times?!?!?!?!? |
slackmaster |
Apr-14-09 01:58 PM |
#29 |
 
How about ThinkProgress? |
RamboLiberal |
Apr-14-09 04:36 PM |
#46 |
 
How about CNN? |
NeoConsSuck |
Apr-15-09 05:13 AM |
#81 |
 
Articles like this in the Washington Times is like an English comedian saying 'knickers' |
Optical.Catalyst |
Apr-15-09 06:30 AM |
#83 |

Logically, RW wackos will start poisoning "liberals" in such a way that it will be difficult |
Zorra |
Apr-14-09 02:19 PM |
#31 |
 
If you've ever talked to one of screwballs |
AlbertCat |
Apr-15-09 12:37 PM |
#187 |

FBI has been watching the Far-Right militia/Identity/Klan wingnuts for decades |
leveymg |
Apr-14-09 02:22 PM |
#32 |
 
FBI oughta keep an eye on the nutjobs at freeperville |
wordpix |
Apr-14-09 07:40 PM |
#60 |
 
I think that for the last 8 years the FBI and DOJ were not |
MadMaddie |
Apr-14-09 08:00 PM |
#64 |

The FBI has never done anything but actively oppose progressive movements . . .. |
defendandprotect |
Apr-14-09 11:21 PM |
#67 |

I think you are correct. I have read stories about how they infiltrated old lady Quaker peace |
IsItJustMe |
Apr-15-09 08:34 AM |
#120 |

Yeah...we saw the results of not watching the Saudis like Clinton did. |
AlbertCat |
Apr-15-09 12:39 PM |
#188 |

A couple of things... |
Abq_Sarah |
Apr-14-09 02:39 PM |
#36 |
 
Oh come now... |
humbled_opinion |
Apr-14-09 05:43 PM |
#52 |
 
You mean Anti-Jewish or Anti-Israel? |
AlbertCat |
Apr-15-09 12:41 PM |
#189 |

Six days until Hitler's 60th birthday. |
ieoeja |
Apr-14-09 02:40 PM |
#37 |
 
And five days until the anniversary of the Waco finale. n/t |
ieoeja |
Apr-14-09 02:47 PM |
#38 |
  
I was worried in 1990 |
AnneD |
Apr-14-09 04:52 PM |
#48 |
 
20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945. He would have been 120 on the 20th. |
truthisfreedom |
Apr-14-09 03:19 PM |
#39 |

Thanks! I was just about to check that. I thought that couldn't possibly |
The Hope Mobile |
Apr-15-09 12:20 AM |
#72 |

This is not the America I was raised in. |
threadkillaz |
Apr-14-09 03:28 PM |
#40 |

About damn time is right - time to expose domestic terrorists to the light of day |
Politicub |
Apr-14-09 03:39 PM |
#42 |
 
Exactly. Pretty soon people will start burning their books. |
Xenotime |
Apr-14-09 06:11 PM |
#55 |

Which would be counter to exposing them to the light of day |
Politicub |
Apr-14-09 06:58 PM |
#59 |

this comes from the Moonie Times |
WhiteTara |
Apr-14-09 03:41 PM |
#43 |
 
Yeah but the report comes from DHS run by Obama Admin now |
RamboLiberal |
Apr-14-09 04:38 PM |
#47 |

Exactly they are being whipped into a frenzy |
humbled_opinion |
Apr-14-09 06:30 PM |
#56 |

yes, the "Obama is born out of country & not an American" rhetoric is rising |
wordpix |
Apr-14-09 07:43 PM |
#61 |

And let's eliminate the 10th Amendment and states rights while we are at it |
ShareTheWoods |
Apr-14-09 05:50 PM |
#53 |
 
There is a ton of wisdom in your statement. n/t |
humbled_opinion |
Apr-14-09 06:33 PM |
#57 |
 
if only the RWnuts could do it, they''d be happy |
wordpix |
Apr-14-09 07:44 PM |
#62 |

The States Righters are howling at the moon again... |
hayu_lol |
Apr-14-09 08:09 PM |
#65 |

OK is in the South? |
AlbertCat |
Apr-15-09 12:45 PM |
#192 |

Folks,we are better than this |
DemOkie |
Apr-14-09 09:44 PM |
#66 |
 
DemOkie |
shrula |
Apr-14-09 11:55 PM |
#69 |
  
Hi shrula. |
Quantess |
Apr-16-09 12:06 AM |
#219 |
 
I know, and thanks. |
shrula |
Apr-16-09 08:41 PM |
#226 |
 
Extremism is the problem |
Beaverhausen |
Apr-15-09 12:01 AM |
#70 |
 
Dissenting opinion is different .... |
Trajan |
Apr-15-09 04:32 AM |
#79 |
  
Pox News and right wing treasonous radio |
The Wizard |
Apr-15-09 10:57 AM |
#157 |
 
This is nothing but hate |
shrula |
Apr-15-09 08:45 PM |
#213 |
 
You |
The Wizard |
Apr-16-09 08:50 AM |
#221 |
 
They aren't talking about opposition. |
tekisui |
Apr-15-09 11:32 AM |
#166 |

Are these Obama people now heading up "Homeland" security??? . . . FEMA...??? |
defendandprotect |
Apr-14-09 11:26 PM |
#68 |
 
Janet Napolitano at Homreland Security |
elleng |
Apr-15-09 01:28 AM |
#75 |

Thank you -- yes, now I recall . . . an Obama appointment - |
defendandprotect |
Apr-15-09 01:29 PM |
#193 |

Right. Poor woman! |
elleng |
Apr-15-09 03:07 PM |
#202 |

Good...glad to hear this.....nt |
and-justice-for-all |
Apr-15-09 12:06 AM |
#71 |

They put out a warning on environmental terrorists a few years ago. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-15-09 12:30 AM |
#73 |

Fomented by limberger: |
elleng |
Apr-15-09 12:51 AM |
#74 |
 
And a lot of other RW media. Fox, etc. |
harun |
Apr-15-09 11:34 AM |
#167 |

Actually radicals are a left wing group when they're on the right they're called reactionaries. |
craigmatic |
Apr-15-09 01:52 AM |
#76 |
 
Minor distinctions ... |
Trajan |
Apr-15-09 04:34 AM |
#80 |

Fanning the flames here |
Reform |
Apr-15-09 01:59 AM |
#77 |
 
THEY ALREADY HAVE set Precedent the Last Eight Years! |
fascisthunter |
Apr-15-09 10:48 AM |
#156 |

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Apr-15-09 02:15 AM |
#78 |

Well, lets face it... |
j420norcal |
Apr-15-09 06:23 AM |
#82 |

In other words, WATCH OUT FOR THE REPUBLICAN BASE. |
RBInMaine |
Apr-15-09 06:46 AM |
#84 |

KNR! |
indimuse |
Apr-15-09 06:48 AM |
#86 |

And just like mainstream Christians, who refuse to curb their extremists... |
polichick |
Apr-15-09 06:50 AM |
#87 |

from Reuters- same report |
elias7 |
Apr-15-09 06:56 AM |
#88 |

no mention of the flames fanned by limbaugh, hannity, beck, etc. |
elias7 |
Apr-15-09 06:59 AM |
#89 |

What's their problem? |
RalphieD |
Apr-15-09 07:09 AM |
#90 |
 
Your statement makes no sense.... |
poboyross |
Apr-15-09 10:18 AM |
#150 |

I make perfect sense |
RalphieD |
Apr-15-09 10:33 AM |
#154 |
 
I never once said that Bush was *my* President. |
poboyross |
Apr-15-09 12:43 PM |
#190 |

Thank you for this. |
shrula |
Apr-15-09 10:18 PM |
#214 |

So I turn on Joey Scar and, sure enough, he's covering this story. |
Vinca |
Apr-15-09 07:21 AM |
#91 |

Phil Valentine |
Blandocyte |
Apr-15-09 07:31 AM |
#92 |

Is this what Scarborough |
polmaven |
Apr-15-09 07:31 AM |
#93 |

I dont like this... |
twitomy |
Apr-15-09 07:40 AM |
#94 |
 
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Apr-15-09 08:17 AM |
#99 |
  
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Apr-15-09 08:33 AM |
#119 |
 
Maybe you would like the discussion on Free Republic better? |
Quantess |
Apr-16-09 02:53 AM |
#220 |

Shades of McCarthyism. nt |
Romulox |
Apr-15-09 07:53 AM |
#96 |

Here is another source, AOL story and AOL poll. |
sarcasmo |
Apr-15-09 08:14 AM |
#98 |

Right-wing extremism may be on rise, report says |
AlphaCentauri |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#102 |
 
Government bureaucrats seem to be the last to know anything. |
provis99 |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#103 |
 
Yup and Faux is on it like flies on shit |
Politicalboi |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#104 |
 
I think racism is the main push of the freak out by the Right |
madeline_con |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#105 |
 
I hate to say it |
DonCoquixote |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#106 |
  
Tea party brown shirts? n/t |
AlphaCentauri |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#107 |
 
Hell yes! |
get the red out |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#112 |
 
The right wing pirates a more in a brown pants mode,,, |
Thor_MN |
Apr-16-09 09:56 PM |
#227 |
 
And listen to the Right Wingers bray and whine |
greengestalt |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#108 |
  
As I recall the feds even had a plant in some knitting group after 9/11. But that.. |
cabluedem |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#115 |
 
im just glad someone correctly indentified the nazi's |
iamthebandfanman |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#109 |
 
There's no way Glenn Beck hasn't had an effect on them. |
FVZA_Colonel |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#110 |
  
So far its only guns these Pukes have been using. Hopefully someone is watching out for Becks' |
cabluedem |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#114 |
 
Ban guns |
RalphieD |
Apr-15-09 12:19 PM |
#181 |
 
Astro-turf day |
get the red out |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#111 |
  
Good time to stay out of public buildings when the Pukes get riled up. Beck makes |
cabluedem |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#113 |
 
We Reap What We Sow.... |
Such a Bird |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#116 |
  
Negative isn't bombings |
get the red out |
Apr-15-09 08:24 AM |
#117 |
 
This is dangerous |
RalphieD |
Apr-16-09 09:17 AM |
#223 |

Angry Lefties make signs, hold marches, call their Reps. Angry Righties shoot people in the head, |
paparush |
Apr-15-09 08:27 AM |
#118 |
 
!! |
BumRushDaShow |
Apr-15-09 08:47 AM |
#122 |
 
You forgot to mention strongly worded letters to the editor, or, dare I say, to DU |
FailureToCommunicate |
Apr-16-09 09:44 AM |
#224 |

asdf |
bongbong |
Apr-15-09 08:35 AM |
#121 |

talk about a complete 360... |
Zech Marquis The 2nd |
Apr-15-09 09:05 AM |
#129 |
 
No offense, but there's a line from the film "The Last Action Hero" that's appropriate here: |
ForrestGump |
Apr-15-09 09:49 AM |
#141 |
 
This is how you know the fascists are at work and that Bush/Cheney were their henchmen. |
groovedaddy |
Apr-15-09 10:06 AM |
#148 |

John and the boys tried to warn us about it long ago... |
ForrestGump |
Apr-15-09 09:45 AM |
#139 |

No surprise in that finding. |
VaYallaDawg |
Apr-15-09 09:56 AM |
#145 |

Wow! By that definition, my whole town is a right-wing extremist group! |
The Backlash Cometh |
Apr-15-09 10:07 AM |
#149 |

I was talking to a right-winger this past weekend who was saying some crazy stuff.... |
Cass |
Apr-15-09 10:22 AM |
#151 |

"radicals on right" =in other words, the republicans in congress. |
BREMPRO |
Apr-15-09 10:32 AM |
#153 |

Contains No News didn't say anything about disgruntled vets |
AllyCat |
Apr-15-09 10:34 AM |
#155 |

The Washington Times is the BEST! |
xocet |
Apr-15-09 11:17 AM |
#165 |

Ok like the AP I want to read this somewhere else |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-15-09 11:34 AM |
#168 |

Who or what are the deleted messages in this thread? nt |
conspirator |
Apr-15-09 12:22 PM |
#183 |

Shouldn't "disgruntled war veterans" be mad at Bush? |
SOS |
Apr-15-09 12:23 PM |
#184 |

Is this the one Glenn Beck was getting all pissy about? |
47of74 |
Apr-15-09 02:30 PM |
#198 |

They were just as nutz when the economy was good. The Oklahoma City bombing happen in 1995 when |
pam4water |
Apr-15-09 04:01 PM |
#205 |

A prediction: |
Oak2004 |
Apr-15-09 04:35 PM |
#206 |

A step in the wrong direction - dangerous precident |
ardvark |
Apr-15-09 05:23 PM |
#208 |
 
The Bush administration added quite a few war protesters and environmental activists |
benEzra |
Apr-15-09 06:06 PM |
#210 |

Gov. Perry is a terrorist being "anti-federalist" Arrest is in order. |
goforit |
Apr-15-09 10:30 PM |
#215 |

the return of a few disgruntled war veterans |
saigon68 |
Apr-16-09 02:14 PM |
#225 |
sui generis
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Tue Apr-14-09 09:57 AM
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| 1. hey, they should go right ahead and do something |
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the DHS would absolutely love to find a real terrorist after all these years of beating up children at guantanamo.
It would be "terrorism" under the official definition, no?
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AnneD
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Tue Apr-14-09 03:37 PM
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| 41. Who's more dangerous?????????? |
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Code Pink protest Karl Rove, Condi Rice etc by unfurling pink banners Timothy McVeigh by blowing up Murray Federal Building David Koresh compound and followers burned by Federal agents 
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sui generis
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Tue Apr-14-09 04:07 PM
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Didn't get that one. Of right or left 'twas not the pole, just crazy as a bobcat with no asshole. 
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AnneD
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Tue Apr-14-09 04:33 PM
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since Koresh and his followers were minding their own business and had no problems with the local folks... I'd say the feds were the terrorists. I don't care what kooky thing folks want to follow-as long as they are doing no harm-this is America.
Maybe I just am jaded but I consider Homeland Security just as much a terrorist group as any of these they classify as terrorists.
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The abyss
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Tue Apr-14-09 07:48 PM
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harmonicon
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Wed Apr-15-09 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #45 |
| 95. in my mind, child rape doesn't count as "no harm" |
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Sure, it was a massive government fuck up, but those fuckers weren't what I'd like to think should be allowed in the US.
Still, I agree that DHS is a total sham - it should be done away with.
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get the red out
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Wed Apr-15-09 08:53 AM
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| 124. Child rape is just freedom of religion isn't it? |
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That's what a lot of people would like for us to call child rape, and even false imprisonment when it occurs in cults "Freedom of Religion". But they had weapons charges for those miserable bastards too. The Feds totally screwed it up, but that doesn't mean that cult wasn't engaged in criminal activity.
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harmonicon
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:13 AM
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| 131. unfortunately, we'll never really know, because justice was not carried out |
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From what I remember, there weren't any arrests, just murder .... ugh. What a shame.
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get the red out
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:33 AM
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| 132. Yes, because the cultists would rather die than face justice |
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and allow their children to die as well.
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harmonicon
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:35 AM
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| 133. the world is a fucked up place |
AnneD
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Wed Apr-15-09 11:10 AM
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Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 11:11 AM by AnneD
David Koresh making a phone call to the local sheriff asking what was going on (when feds surrounded the compound) and asking for some help. Don't think that was the actions of your typical criminal. I am not necessarily defending him per say-but the feds screwed the pooch and tried to cover it up and did a bad job. The trial was here in Houston so while the nations attention was else where, we got an ear full. Koresh was perhaps a deluded messianic type-but he was not the devil as portrayed either.
edited to add-many folks ended up sympathetic toward him here in Houston.
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kenfrequed
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Wed Apr-15-09 11:58 AM
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The history of this religious organization he was in was steeped in violence. They had a schism that was actually solved with a shoot out.
As far as how persecuted they were I think crimes are still crimes even if cloaked in religion.
As far as the tragic fires it is more likely snafu and bad circumstance than actual malevolence. There are tear and smoke gas grenades that are designed for external use only and have a fire hazard if exposed to dusty environs.
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AlbertCat
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Wed Apr-15-09 12:07 PM
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| 175. messianic type-but he was not the devil as portrayed either. |
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Messianic weapons stockpiling and messianic child rapist...but not the devil, no.
They coulda come out with their hands up, y'know.
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get the red out
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Wed Apr-15-09 02:19 PM
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| 195. Yes, child rape is a sacrament, we must respect the religion |
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no matter what it entails.
I guess if the next known child molester chooses death by cop we need to disregard the crime and make sure the cop gets all the blame.
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tabasco
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Wed Apr-15-09 07:04 PM
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| 211. I assume the sheriff told him to surrender to the authoriities. |
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Too bad he decided to murder a lot of people instead.
Must be a lot of dumb fucks around Houston.
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9119495
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:55 AM
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| 144. The whole conflict started when the feds TRIED to serve a warrant |
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Then, Koresh and his followers opened fire on the agents. When the compound was eventually stormed it was the cult that set the fire that killed so many, not the government.
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RalphieD
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Wed Apr-15-09 10:57 AM
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| 158. This is why we should ban guns |
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The Branch Dividians would have had nothing to fire at the
agents with if we could just ban guns once and for all in
America. This is madness!
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harmonicon
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Wed Apr-15-09 11:45 AM
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| 171. those kind of people would still get them some how |
RalphieD
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Wed Apr-15-09 12:14 PM
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But we should still ban them.
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harmonicon
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Wed Apr-15-09 02:35 PM
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RalphieD
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Wed Apr-15-09 03:45 PM
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We have out of control crime in this country and unless the
government steps in and does something, it will get worse.
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harmonicon
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Wed Apr-15-09 11:54 PM
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| 218. I don't really see how that would solve anything |
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Criminal organizations would keep their guns and find other ways of getting them than they have now (it's not that most guns used in crimes were obtained legally, anyway).
some things that I think would help to greatly curb crime: universal, single-payer, health care for all a minimum wage which is actually a living wage, pegged to the rate of inflation quality education for all citizens, through to higher education fair trade policies which would bring more good jobs back to the US sensible drug laws
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9119495
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Wed Apr-15-09 02:09 PM
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Guns don't kill people. Dumbasses with guns kill people. Outlaw dumbasses.
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AnneD
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Wed Apr-15-09 03:31 PM
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The cause of the fire was later alleged by the "Danforth Report," a report commissioned by The Special Counsel, to be the deliberate actions of some of the Branch Davidians inside the building.<12> However this hypothesis is disputed in the documentary "Waco: The Rules of Engagement," which argues that the fire was deliberately set when the FBI fired an incendiary device into the building after loading the building with CS gas.<13> At the subsequent trial of the surviving Branch Davidians, the jury listened to edited parts of a tape-recording from hidden microphones inside Mt. Carmel during the final attack and fire of 19 April. These consisted of sounds of static during which one could faintly hear a voice saying ". . . fire . . . ". A government expert testified that through electronic enhancement, he had reconstructed some clearly incriminating comments, even if the jury couldn't hear them.<14> It later transpired that the FBI, when meeting Koresh's demands that milk be sent in for the children's wellbeing, also sent in tiny listening devices concealed inside the milk cartons and their styrofoam containers.<15> Barricaded in their building, seventy-six Branch Davidians, including Koresh, did not survive the fire. Seventeen of these victims were children under the age of 17. The Danforth Report claims that those who died were unable, or unwilling, to flee and that Steve Schneider, Koresh's right-hand man, probably shot Koresh and killed himself with the same gun. "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" claims that FBI sharpshooters fired on, and killed, many Branch Davidians who attempted to flee the flames. Testimony by the few Branch Davidians who did successfully flee the fire supports this claim. Autopsy records indicate that at least 20 Branch Davidians were shot, including 5 children. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh This came out in the trial. I think Koresh was a wacko but I don't totally buy the government's paint job either. This could have been handled on a state level and a lot of folks would still be alive today. The whole thing reeks of too much testosterone.
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AlbertCat
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Wed Apr-15-09 12:04 PM
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How about suicide. They started the fires themselves....because it was prophesied they would all die in a fiery martyrdom....so they made it come true....and got the Feds to play their role perfectly.
Those poor poor religious people....NOT!
I can't believe anyone would believe they were "minding their own business"...which was kidnapping, child rape and stockpiling weapons.
They got just what they wanted...good for them!
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harmonicon
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Wed Apr-15-09 02:29 PM
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| 197. not good for the children!! |
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I've never said they were just "minding their own business", but I would rather see justice carried out through the courts than gun fights and fire.
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get the red out
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Wed Apr-15-09 08:51 AM
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| 123. They had an illegal stash of weapons |
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That's a problem of the criminal variety. I am opposed to allowing people to break the law just because they form a cult.
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9119495
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Wed Apr-15-09 08:57 AM
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| 125. He married a 7 year old girl |
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and there was probable cause to investigate him for improper relations with other girls at the compound. Of course when the feds came knocking to ask about the compound...
Just because you're minding your own business does not mean you can break the law, especially with regard to children.
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get the red out
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:35 AM
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Too many people want to allow all kinds of abuse under the blanket of "freedom" when the freedom only applies to the white male sons of bitches in charge. That freedom is to create a living hell for others, usually defenseless children and captive women.
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zbdent
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:51 AM
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| 142. so ... don't mind the fact that federal agents were shot and killed by |
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members of his group before the compound was surrounded?
hmm ...
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RalphieD
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Wed Apr-15-09 10:58 AM
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| 159. Once again BAN GUNS! |
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We don't need guns anymore!
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AlbertCat
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Wed Apr-15-09 12:13 PM
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| 176. Banning guns is ridiculous |
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But some sensible gun laws are OK. No one should be able to walk into a tent in Alabama and buy an assault rifle. But if you like to go hunting, there's no reason you cannot buy a gun, get it registered during a waiting period and also prove you know how to care and use it...on a regular basis....like you do when you get a license to drive a car.
A ban is just too draconian.
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RalphieD
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Wed Apr-15-09 12:15 PM
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Just make them all illegal, then whenever someone is caught
with one toss them in Gitmo.
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poboyross
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:55 AM
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| 143. I'm in the "right" mind to agree with you....pa-pum-pum |
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Koresh was a big kook, and perhaps he was keeping people against their will; however, did that justify running a tank through the side of his building, thus starting a blaze that killed all of them? Let us not forget Elian Gonzalez at gunpoint, too. Whatever party is in office will decree that the protests of the other side are "terrorism". America isn't about coexistence anymore, only about domination of the other half of the populous.
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poboyross
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Wed Apr-15-09 10:23 AM
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| 152. Thx for the welcome.... |
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But I'm no freeper....try again. Your assumption that I support child marriage is just as ignorant as the idea that Elian would be better of in Cuba used as an object of propaganda. Ramming a tank into a building full of people is never a good idea. Syntax does matter, but even more so when you have no real point and decide two things 1)That you inherently believe that you're smarter than those who disagree with you and 2) You think you know from whence I came.
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AnneD
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Wed Apr-15-09 07:23 PM
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Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 07:29 PM by AnneD
thanks for 'getting it'. Most folks in Houston are not stupid (this is the most DEM area outside Austin), but after listening to the trail, folks were inclined to side with the defendants and not the government and their strong armed tactics. This is still America.
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AlbertCat
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Wed Apr-15-09 12:16 PM
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| 179. did that justify running a tank through the side of his building, thus starting a blaze |
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Is that what you think happened?
I suppose you also think other GOP lies are true....like Obama is a non-american terrorist.
Y'know....throw religion...any stupid made up religion...into the mix and all logic flies out the window.
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poboyross
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Wed Apr-15-09 12:44 PM
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| 191. You suppose too much. |
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Wed Apr-15-09 11:00 AM
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| 161. Oh Christ.....morre Koresh defenders. |
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Between the gun nuts on this board and the Koresh defenders, you'd think this was Free Republic. Maybe the right-wing extremists are right here.
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poboyross
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Wed Apr-15-09 11:56 AM
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| 172. I don't know if they're Koresh defenders. |
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I'm not a Koresh defender by any means, nor a right wing extremist. There were horrible things going on in that compound. I think what my point is, along with others I hope, is that how it escalated and the end result was a big SNAFU. The man got what was coming to him, but a lot of it was just one big bloody mess. If the BATF and FBI could have executed that operation the way the SEALS did recently, Koresh would have disappeared into the background of history.
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get the red out
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Wed Apr-15-09 02:24 PM
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but dangerous cults like that should never be permitted to reach that point under the blanket of "freedom of religion". Our country allows a lot of shit right here at home, bad human rights abuses, calling it freedom of religion. If people stopped turning a blind eye to the criminality of cults there would be less of a danger of things going bad like they did in this case.
In the end it was ALL on Koresh though, he brought about everything, he is responsible for all the deaths. He was a very evil man.
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poboyross
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Wed Apr-15-09 04:43 PM
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They (law enforcement) had allowed the situation to go to far before intervening. Koresh *was* responsible for those deaths because of the environment he created and his actions only led to one end once they fired on the LEOs. I just remember watching FBI guys standing on the roof, getting shot through the windows, and thinking "This looks a little haphazard." I guess we're conditioned by Hollywood movies and the exploits of the Special Forces. Try reading Masters of Chaos, and your expectations will be raised through the roof.
One thing that freaks me out are the radical Islam cults that are setting up camp in very rural areas across the US. They look like a bunch of "Koresh-villes" if you've ever seen one. There's one here in TN, and people report seeing and hearing things all the time. However, the local PDs and law enforcement agencies just say "We're keeping an eye on it." I hope to God they are. The ironic thing is, down here the locals probably have enough firepower to level it themselves should things go wrong. I'd much prefer the LEOs to take care of it, though.
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RBInMaine
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Wed Apr-15-09 06:47 AM
Response to Reply #44 |
| 85. No need to insult Bobcats. Now, a "shit house rat" works great :-) |
TellTheTruth82
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Wed Apr-15-09 08:17 AM
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| 100. Be careful with this report |
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The definition the DHS uses also states that anyone who supports states rights versus Federal authority is a right wing extremist - but that is part of our Constitution, and by extension then, everyone who supports the Constitution is a right wing extremist. Didn't our president take such an oath? This report is basically meaningless as a result.
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Roadcyclist
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:01 AM
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| 126. I find the classification of state's rights as being radical as offensive |
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I think it is quite naive to believe government always acts in the best interests of the people. In fact, the DHS was created under the leadership of the most extreme right wing President in modern history. It mirrors calls to protect the homeland in Germany during the last 1930s. Do we need some secretive central agency in Washington spying on Americans and determining who might be a threat based on completely Constttutional rights? Thomas Jefferson was an advocate for state's rights because of potential corruption in Washington. Do we need any further evidence that corruption exists in Washington with lobbyists pumping in $3+ billion annually?
"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
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Bette Noir
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:46 AM
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| 140. Think *secessionist.* |
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I've been thinking for weeks that the Feds have no jurisdiction in the Franken/Coleman election, that it's up to the state to choose its own Senator, but I'm not advocating that Minnesota secede.
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AlbertCat
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Wed Apr-15-09 12:21 PM
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| 182. Since when is "state's rights" not "government?" |
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And it's not like we don't have some history about not only Nazis but RW anti-government activities to draw from here.
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Renew Deal
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Tue Apr-14-09 09:59 AM
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| 2. They're not going to like that. |
LynnTheDem
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Tue Apr-14-09 10:00 AM
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| 3. Dear WaTimes; how has the WH "distanced itself from the analysis"? |
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Oh I get it; the WH hasn't started screaming 24/7 about the lunatic rightwingnuts, giving rightwing lunatics such as the WaTimes fodder to attack the President with.
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FailureToCommunicate
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Tue Apr-14-09 10:27 AM
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| 8. It is the Washington TIMES not the POST after all... Pass the fruitcake, please |
nc4bo
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Tue Apr-14-09 10:00 AM
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| 4. We should call them by their rightful names, The American Taliban. nt |
LynnTheDem
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Tue Apr-14-09 10:01 AM
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| 6. And the American Talebornagains. |
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Same shit. Same assholes.
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hootinholler
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Tue Apr-14-09 02:00 PM
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| 30. Yeah Talebornagain is more polite than |
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Dominionist motherfuckers.
-Hoot
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LynnTheDem
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Tue Apr-14-09 06:44 PM
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Yours is a tad more precise, though.
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TechBear_Seattle
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:03 AM
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| 127. I like Talibangelicals, myself n/t |
zanne
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Wed Apr-15-09 11:04 AM
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| 163. I think all the mass shootings lately are a sign of what's to come.... |
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Right Wing fanatics with basements full of guns are the most dangerous ideologues this country faces right now. Timid politicians, wary of ostracizing gun-toting voters, have been catering to them, creating an armed right-wing army.
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Tue Apr-14-09 10:42 AM
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Xenotime
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Tue Apr-14-09 02:34 PM
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| 34. Yes. It's time to start out these radicals before they take the country down. |
xchrom
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Tue Apr-14-09 10:01 AM
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Demeter
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Tue Apr-14-09 10:23 AM
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| 7. How Refreshing! How Biblical! Somebody Got the Log Out! |
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New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye.
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gmoney
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Tue Apr-14-09 05:28 PM
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| 50. Never got that... how can you have a log in your eye? |
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Is that some sort of screwed up translation from the original gibberish?
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Demeter
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Tue Apr-14-09 05:31 PM
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| 51. Poetic License, I Expect |
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I'd say a splinter, not a log. But you get the idea, right?
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IsItJustMe
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Wed Apr-15-09 08:23 AM
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| 101. Imagine cutting a birth day cake with a chain saw. Same type of analogy being made here. |
SOS
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Wed Apr-15-09 12:17 PM
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| 180. It was mistranslated |
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The original was "splinter".
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get the red out
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:38 AM
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| 135. I don't respect that |
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This is still a country that gives lip service to freedom of religion so I don't have to accept any Bible verse as having any meaning at all.
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AlbertCat
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Wed Apr-15-09 12:24 PM
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| 185. Besides...there were no guns when it was written. |
countingbluecars
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Tue Apr-14-09 10:29 AM
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| 9. I wonder how the right feels |
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about wiretapping now? If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to be upset about, right?
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skooooo
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Tue Apr-14-09 10:32 AM
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| 10. Sounds like the current republican party to me.. |
kjackson227
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Tue Apr-14-09 04:53 PM
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The Republicans have turned into something very dangerous. They are hate-filled in a perversive neo-nazi type way. They should be the main group being observed by Homeland Security. I think they are as close to becoming home-grown terrorists as anyone. They are a completely different party compared to what they were before Reagan.
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Ian David
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Tue Apr-14-09 10:34 AM
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| 11. Do we have this from a source other than The Moonie Times? n/t |  |
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kpete
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Tue Apr-14-09 11:07 AM
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| 14. DHS report warns of rightwing extremism |  |
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Edited on Tue Apr-14-09 11:05 AM by kpete
Source: SalonTuesday, April 14, 2009 10:30 EDT DHS report warns of rightwing extremism In a report produced earlier this month, but just leaked, the Department of Homeland Security warns that the political and economic climate today is similar to the one that fueled the militia movement -- and, eventually, the Oklahoma City bombing -- during the 1990s. The intelligence assessment, which is being provided to federal, state and local law enforcement, notes that DHS "has no specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence." But it does say there may be a new wave of recruitment into extremist groups, as "the economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment." Among various factors identified in the document as possible catalysts for radicalization, DHS lists the economic downturn, the election of the first African-American president, fears that new restrictions on guns will be imposed, concern over illegal immigration and the usual worry about an impending "New World Order." A DHS spokeswoman wasn't immediately available to comment to Salon about the report, but these sorts of reports are produced on a regular basis about left-wing groups, like environmental extremists, as well. It's unclear when work on this particular assessment began, but some reports say that it might have been in the works before Obama took office. Read more: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room
pdf report: http://images.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/04/14/dh...
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primavera
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Tue Apr-14-09 11:07 AM
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| 15. I wonder what Faux News will have to say about this |
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Probably defend would be terrorists as patriots.
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alfredo
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Tue Apr-14-09 12:00 PM
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| 22. They probably think it will help their bottom line. |
ieoeja
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Tue Apr-14-09 02:32 PM
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| 33. "Obama's DHS designates all Conservative organizations as 'terrorists'" n/t |
L0oniX
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:03 AM
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| 128. Fox is a terrorist media. |
Summermoondancer
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Wed Apr-15-09 10:59 AM
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| 160. They are trying to say that it is about vets |
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they refuse to address those extremists such as right wing nut jobs like aryan nations.
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thebabbster
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Wed Apr-15-09 10:33 PM
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| 216. or Mr. War Room Glen Beck... |
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here's a guy who's probably saying, "seeeee? it's already started!"
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Mayberry Machiavelli
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Tue Apr-14-09 11:07 AM
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| 16. Yeah except this time you've got a major cable network openly fanning the flames. |
get the red out
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Tue Apr-14-09 12:02 PM
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This could be seen coming from a long way out. I recall hearing people warn that this would happen if a Democrat were elected before the primaries even started. Having the first woman President wouldn't have pleased these monsters any more. I wonder how Fox will feel about the anti-terrorism laws when it is their hard-core viewers being tried under them? Fox is so damn dangerous to our country. I am sure they would love nothing more than to have the next Tim McVey pull off some bombing then start up with sightings of a mysterious middle-eastern guy seen in the local. The conspiracy nuts tried that with McVey, kept talking about some mystery "Iranian" that was behind the thing. But the media in general treats Fox like they are legitimate.
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Auggie
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Tue Apr-14-09 12:11 PM
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| 24. With gun sales at all-time highs |
Xenotime
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Tue Apr-14-09 02:35 PM
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| 35. All the more reason to put gun restrictions into place. |
benEzra
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Tue Apr-14-09 06:05 PM
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| 54. Concerns that new restrictions on lawful ownership might be proposed are driving the sales. |
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Actual attempts to ban popular guns wouldn't exactly assuage those fears.
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jberryhill
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:13 AM
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| 130. After the thing in Texas... |
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I married five more twelve-year-old wives because I was afraid the government would restrict polygamy.
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get the red out
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:42 AM
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| 136. The government would never do that |
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Abuse of women and children is a gift from GAWD to male religious leaders. There is no way rape of children and imprisonment and sex slavery of women are ever a problem in this great nation due to freedom of (male) religion. All guns will be taken LONG before either the left or the right have a probem with any abuse from cults. Females might be even more cherished property than guns.
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benEzra
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Wed Apr-15-09 10:02 AM
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| 146. So, you consider owning small-caliber rifles comparable to child rape? |
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That's messed up.
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jberryhill
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Wed Apr-15-09 11:35 AM
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| 169. I have a First Amendment right to free exercise of my religion /nt |
benEzra
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Wed Apr-15-09 11:43 AM
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| 170. Subject to strict-scrutiny limitation, yes. Just like any other right in the Bill of Rights |
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You can speak, but not slander, you can practice religion but not abuse children, and you can own guns but not automatic weapons (outside of police/military duty, without special Federal authorization).
If you don't believe guns are restricted in this country, check out the hoops you'd have to jump through to buy an AK-47 (a real one). They're as tightly controlled as howitzers, bombs, tanks, and rocket launchers.
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AlbertCat
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Wed Apr-15-09 12:31 PM
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Let's hope so!
"If you don't believe guns are restricted in this country,..."
...try going to a Tent Show and buying one! It might take a whole 30 minutes or so! Jesus! You don't need a AK-47 to kill people. A shot gun will do.
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benEzra
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Wed Apr-15-09 06:03 PM
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| 209. Possession of an actual AK-47 outside of police/military duty is a 10-year Federal felony. |
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U.S. non-LEO civilians are limited to non-automatic guns only, unless you first obtain Federal authorization (BATFE Form 4). A mentally competent adult with a clean record who can pass a Federal background check can legally own a NON-automatic civilian rifle that looks like an AK-47 (I shoot competitively and recreationally with one), but unlike a real AK-47 these are completely incapable of automatic fire and are designed to be difficult to convert to full auto. Here's the process you have to go through to get a Form 4, BTW: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#m (M15) What are the required transfer procedures for an individual who is not qualified as a manufacturer, importer, or dealer of NFA firearms? ATF Form 4 (5320.4) must be completed, in duplicate. The transferor first completes the face of the form. The transferee completes the transferee's certification on the reverse of the form and must have the "Law Enforcement Certification" completed by the chief law enforcement officer. The transferee is to place, on each copy of the form, a 2-inch by 2-inch photograph of the transferee taken within the past year (proofs, group photographs or photocopies are unacceptable). The transferee's address must be a street address, not a post office box. If there is no street address, specific directions to the residence must be included. If State or local law requires a permit or license to purchase, possess, or receive NFA firearms, a copy of the transferee's permit or license must accompany the application. A check or money order for $200 ($5 for transfer of "any other weapon") shall be made payable to ATF by the transferor. All signatures on both copies must be in ink. Fingerprints also must be submitted on FBI Form FD-258, in duplicate. Fingerprints must be taken by a person qualified to do so, and must be clear and classifiable. If wear or damage to the fingertips do not allow clear prints, and if the prints are taken by a law enforcement official, a statement on his or her official letterhead giving the reason why good prints are unobtainable should accompany the fingerprints. Forward the completed application and appropriate tax payment to the Bureau of ATF, P.O. Box 73201, Chicago, IL 60673. Transfer of the NFA firearm may be made only upon approval of the ATF Form 4 by the NFA Branch. If the application is approved, the original of the form with the cancelled stamp affixed showing approval will be returned to the applicant. If the tax application is denied, the tax will be refunded. Upon approval of the ATF Form 4, the transferor should transfer the firearm as soon as possible, since the firearm is now registered to the transferee. (26 U.S.C. 5812, 27 CFR 479.84-86) I believe there are fewer than 200 pre-1986 civilian-transferable AK-47's in this country. If you do get Federal permission to own one, prices start around $17,000 and go up from there.
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jberryhill
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Wed Apr-15-09 02:31 PM
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| 199. You'll take my girls from my cold, dead fingers.... /nt |
Norquist Nemesis
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Tue Apr-14-09 11:07 AM
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dogfacedboy
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Tue Apr-14-09 11:07 AM
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| 18. This report does not surprise me one bit. |
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I have infiltrated sites like FreekRepulick, and the chatter is there. The far-right fringe whackos are calling for revolution.
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swilton
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Tue Apr-14-09 11:39 AM
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| 19. Am I Missing Something? |
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Why do we need DHS to tell us this when anyone who reads DU or listens to Faux News or Sarah Palin should be able to figure this out?
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humbled_opinion
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Tue Apr-14-09 01:33 PM
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| 25. This information was not put out for you .....lol.... |
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This information is a warning for law enforcement and yes that is exactly what DHS was supposed to do... What do you think we should just wait around until they are blowing things up and "KILLIN LIBRULS" or supporting Al-Qaida in efforts to make Obama look bad? This is exactly the measures that need to be taken. They are wacky and dangerous on the right.
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FailureToCommunicate
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:42 AM
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| 137. Those three policemen in Pittsburgh might still be alive if they had this extra warning to |
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possibly expect an AK-47 packing wacko. (Neighbors: 'He seemed like such a nice, normal young man...')
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thebabbster
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Wed Apr-15-09 10:38 PM
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that he won't be the last nut to open fire on the police.
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jaksavage
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Tue Apr-14-09 11:57 AM
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Or an active plan by Arayan types to disrupt the governing body. Had a peak in the 90's... Now rising again... Bush's are renowned Arayans... CIA has a lo0ng Arayan history...
They are still in power folks, make no mistake.
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alfredo
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Tue Apr-14-09 12:00 PM
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| 21. I'm seeing violent right wing talking points repeated by some on my |
HillWilliam
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Tue Apr-14-09 01:44 PM
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| 26. A little slow on the uptake, ain't they? |
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They created the monster and set it loose. Now WTF do they intend to do about it? For years the PNAC'ers went right for the lowest denominator they could co-opt, fanned the flames, coddled the wackogelical cult-churches, let nutwing radio spread like a cancer, stamped out all dissent -- and they thought there would be any different result?
Ray Charles could have seen this coming, fah crissake.
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Love Bug
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Wed Apr-15-09 09:43 AM
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| 138. The PNAC'ers don't care because they are all rich and hide in |
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their gated communities, safe from the rabble in the streets. Then once the "revolution" is over, they plan to sweep in and clean up, making a killing in profits. Simple, no?
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hootinholler
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Tue Apr-14-09 01:50 PM
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| 27. It would have to get reported on Fox Snooze for heads to explode, no? n/t |
crankmob
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Tue Apr-14-09 01:50 PM
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| 28. first they came for... |
SammyWinstonJack
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Wed Apr-15-09 08:06 AM
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| 97. Who? The crazy right wing wackos advocating violence? |
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 I don't have a problem with that, do you?
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crankmob
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Wed Apr-15-09 02:37 PM
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| 201. Yes, i have a huge problem with it. |
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Define advocating violence because I haven't seen/heard it.
But then again I haven't watched TeeVee in many years and am able to think clearly.
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stanwyck
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Thu Apr-16-09 09:13 AM
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| 222. I don't think you've read the actual report, though |
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or you would have a better understanding of the issues. There are extremist groups, like the one which influenced Timothy McVeigh, which openly advocate violence against other Americans. One of the purposes of our government is to protect Americans. I'd suggest you actually read the report before you post.
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slackmaster
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Tue Apr-14-09 01:58 PM
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| 29. The Washington Times?!?!?!?!? |
RamboLiberal
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Tue Apr-14-09 04:36 PM
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| 46. How about ThinkProgress? |
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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/14/dhs-report-right-wi... / Most extremists have made “rhetorical” statements and have “stopped short of calls for violent action,” but since the 2008 election, right-wing extremists are “reaching out to a wider audience of potential sympathizers.” Some highlights from the report: Anti-immgration: “Rightwing extremist groups’ frustration over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration has the potential to incite individuals or small groups toward violence. If such violence were to occur, it likely would be isolated, small-scale, and directed at specific immigration-related targets.” Recruiting returning vets: “Rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat.” Gun-related violence: “Heightened interest in legislation for tighter firearms … may be invigorating rightwing extremist activity, specifically the white supremacist and militia movements.”
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NeoConsSuck
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Wed Apr-15-09 05:13 AM
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Optical.Catalyst
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Wed Apr-15-09 06:30 AM
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| 83. Articles like this in the Washington Times is like an English comedian saying 'knickers' |
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Selling a few more copies of their fish wrapper to the hard core right wingers is what we would expect when they are losing so badly.
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Zorra
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Tue Apr-14-09 02:19 PM
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| 31. Logically, RW wackos will start poisoning "liberals" in such a way that it will be difficult |
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to prove their guilt. In the deep confusion (fueled by RW hate radio) of their twisted, ignorant minds, they will justify their insanity by claiming that it is their patriotic duty.
There's tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of these ignorant, violent extremist freaks out there, and they are going to kill a lot more innocent people before they are through.
Violent RW extremists like Adkisson, who murdered "liberals" in a Unitarian Church, Poplawski, who recently murdered police officers in Pittsburgh because he thought Obama was coming for his guns, Kaczynski, the Unabomber, and McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, are rapidly becoming the rule rather than the exception.
I hope the FBI is keeping a close watch on these wackos before they kill many more innocent people. These people are absolutely fucking crazy and conscienceless.
If you've ever talked to one of screwballs, you know exactly what I'm saying.
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AlbertCat
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Wed Apr-15-09 12:37 PM
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| 187. If you've ever talked to one of screwballs |
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I met one once...but he never talked. just cleaned his Uzi in silence. There were guns all over the trailer, with his fat poodle-haired wife and about 5 toddlers running around.
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leveymg
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Tue Apr-14-09 02:22 PM
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| 32. FBI has been watching the Far-Right militia/Identity/Klan wingnuts for decades |
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Difference is, the neo-Nazi types think the country is now in a pre-revolutionary state, so they're following the script laid out for them.
Pretty sad crew.
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wordpix
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Tue Apr-14-09 07:40 PM
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| 60. FBI oughta keep an eye on the nutjobs at freeperville |
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Tue Apr-14-09 08:00 PM
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| 64. I think that for the last 8 years the FBI and DOJ were not |
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watching these groups as they should have been...The FBI and DOJ were spying on grannies in Wisconsin, an peace protesters, they were spying on black groups, gay and lesbian groups....not hate groups. Hate groups were allowed to flourish under * and they felt empowered and now we are seeing the results.
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defendandprotect
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Tue Apr-14-09 11:21 PM
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| 67. The FBI has never done anything but actively oppose progressive movements . . .. |
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and progressive leadership -
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IsItJustMe
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Wed Apr-15-09 08:34 AM
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| 120. I think you are correct. I have read stories about how they infiltrated old lady Quaker peace |
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activist sowing circles and yet would not lift a finger to investigate militia groups that are springing up in the rural parts of this country.
It seems like the safety of this country is not their primary concern, but rather the politics of the moment.
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AlbertCat
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Wed Apr-15-09 12:39 PM
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| 188. Yeah...we saw the results of not watching the Saudis like Clinton did. |
Abq_Sarah
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Tue Apr-14-09 02:39 PM
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| 36. A couple of things... |
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First, the report mentions several times the "proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans". Didn't they get the memo that this is a nonstarter?
Second, some of the examples of anti-Jewish sentiments could have come straight from DU.
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humbled_opinion
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Tue Apr-14-09 05:43 PM
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The report specifically states Right Wing Conservative ideologues. The left are about peace and humanity I think terror acts and Murder are off the list of decent liberals....
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AlbertCat
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Wed Apr-15-09 12:41 PM
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| 189. You mean Anti-Jewish or Anti-Israel? |
ieoeja
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Tue Apr-14-09 02:40 PM
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| 37. Six days until Hitler's 60th birthday. |
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I hope law enforcement is aware of that little tidbit coming up on Monday.
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ieoeja
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Tue Apr-14-09 02:47 PM
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| 38. And five days until the anniversary of the Waco finale. n/t |
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Tue Apr-14-09 04:52 PM
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| 48. I was worried in 1990 |
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that my daughter would be born on the 15th Income tax day. I wanted the 16th (day late dollar short) or Earth day. She was born on 4/19/90. I thought it would be just another day, but wackos have gone out of their way to use that date as a manifesto every since Waco.
The week before her birthday the TV would be shut off (to avoid anniversary shows). We had to schedule parties before her birthday to keep them happy events. It has basically sucked for her during her childhood. We really don't celebrate on that day, just all around it.
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truthisfreedom
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Tue Apr-14-09 03:19 PM
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| 39. 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945. He would have been 120 on the 20th. |
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