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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 09:53 AM
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Federal agency warns of radicals on right
Source: Washington Times

The Department of Homeland Security is warning law enforcement officials about a rise in "rightwing extremist activity," saying the economic recession, the election of America's first black president and the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias.

A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," the warning says.

The White House has distanced itself from the analysis. When asked for comment on its contents, White House spokesman Nick Shapiro said, "The President is focused not on politics but rather taking the steps necessary to protect all Americans from the threat of violence and terrorism regardless of its origins. He also believes those who serve represent the best of this country, and he will continue to ensure that our veterans receive the respect and benefits they have earned."



Read more: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-age... /



About Time....Can't wait to see the Right side talking heads explode on this one... Giggle :)
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 09:57 AM
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1. hey, they should go right ahead and do something
the DHS would absolutely love to find a real terrorist after all these years of beating up children at guantanamo.

It would be "terrorism" under the official definition, no?
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:37 PM
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41. Who's more dangerous??????????
Code Pink protest Karl Rove, Condi Rice etc by unfurling pink banners
Timothy McVeigh by blowing up Murray Federal Building
David Koresh compound and followers burned by Federal agents

:think:
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #41
44. David Koresh?
Didn't get that one. Of right or left 'twas not the pole, just crazy as a bobcat with no asshole.

:P


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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. Well....
since Koresh and his followers were minding their own business and had no problems with the local folks... I'd say the feds were the terrorists. I don't care what kooky thing folks want to follow-as long as they are doing no harm-this is America.

Maybe I just am jaded but I consider Homeland Security just as much a terrorist group as any of these they classify as terrorists.
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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #45
63. Agree!
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #45
95. in my mind, child rape doesn't count as "no harm"
Sure, it was a massive government fuck up, but those fuckers weren't what I'd like to think should be allowed in the US.

Still, I agree that DHS is a total sham - it should be done away with.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #95
124. Child rape is just freedom of religion isn't it?
That's what a lot of people would like for us to call child rape, and even false imprisonment when it occurs in cults "Freedom of Religion". But they had weapons charges for those miserable bastards too. The Feds totally screwed it up, but that doesn't mean that cult wasn't engaged in criminal activity.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #124
131. unfortunately, we'll never really know, because justice was not carried out
From what I remember, there weren't any arrests, just murder .... ugh. What a shame.


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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #131
132. Yes, because the cultists would rather die than face justice
and allow their children to die as well.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #132
133. the world is a fucked up place
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #132
164. I remember
Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 11:11 AM by AnneD
David Koresh making a phone call to the local sheriff asking what was going on (when feds surrounded the compound) and asking for some help. Don't think that was the actions of your typical criminal. I am not necessarily defending him per say-but the feds screwed the pooch and tried to cover it up and did a bad job. The trial was here in Houston so while the nations attention was else where, we got an ear full. Koresh was perhaps a deluded messianic type-but he was not the devil as portrayed either.

edited to add-many folks ended up sympathetic toward him here in Houston.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #164
173. Uhm
The history of this religious organization he was in was steeped in violence. They had a schism that was actually solved with a shoot out.

As far as how persecuted they were I think crimes are still crimes even if cloaked in religion.

As far as the tragic fires it is more likely snafu and bad circumstance than actual malevolence. There are tear and smoke gas grenades that are designed for external use only and have a fire hazard if exposed to dusty environs.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #164
175. messianic type-but he was not the devil as portrayed either.
Messianic weapons stockpiling and messianic child rapist...but not the devil, no.


They coulda come out with their hands up, y'know.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #164
195. Yes, child rape is a sacrament, we must respect the religion
no matter what it entails.

I guess if the next known child molester chooses death by cop we need to disregard the crime and make sure the cop gets all the blame.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #164
211. I assume the sheriff told him to surrender to the authoriities.
Too bad he decided to murder a lot of people instead.

Must be a lot of dumb fucks around Houston.

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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #131
144. The whole conflict started when the feds TRIED to serve a warrant
Then, Koresh and his followers opened fire on the agents. When the compound was eventually stormed it was the cult that set the fire that killed so many, not the government.
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RalphieD Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #144
158. This is why we should ban guns
The Branch Dividians would have had nothing to fire at the
agents with if we could just ban guns once and for all in
America.  This is madness!
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #158
171. those kind of people would still get them some how
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RalphieD Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #171
177. Probably right
But we should still ban them.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #177
200. because?
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RalphieD Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #200
204. Isn't it obvious?
We have out of control crime in this country and unless the
government steps in and does something, it will get worse.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #204
218. I don't really see how that would solve anything
Criminal organizations would keep their guns and find other ways of getting them than they have now (it's not that most guns used in crimes were obtained legally, anyway).

some things that I think would help to greatly curb crime:
universal, single-payer, health care for all
a minimum wage which is actually a living wage, pegged to the rate of inflation
quality education for all citizens, through to higher education
fair trade policies which would bring more good jobs back to the US
sensible drug laws
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #158
194. nope.
Guns don't kill people. Dumbasses with guns kill people. Outlaw dumbasses.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #144
203. Per Wickopedia.....
The cause of the fire was later alleged by the "Danforth Report," a report commissioned by The Special Counsel, to be the deliberate actions of some of the Branch Davidians inside the building.<12> However this hypothesis is disputed in the documentary "Waco: The Rules of Engagement," which argues that the fire was deliberately set when the FBI fired an incendiary device into the building after loading the building with CS gas.<13> At the subsequent trial of the surviving Branch Davidians, the jury listened to edited parts of a tape-recording from hidden microphones inside Mt. Carmel during the final attack and fire of 19 April. These consisted of sounds of static during which one could faintly hear a voice saying ". . . fire . . . ". A government expert testified that through electronic enhancement, he had reconstructed some clearly incriminating comments, even if the jury couldn't hear them.<14> It later transpired that the FBI, when meeting Koresh's demands that milk be sent in for the children's wellbeing, also sent in tiny listening devices concealed inside the milk cartons and their styrofoam containers.<15>

Barricaded in their building, seventy-six Branch Davidians, including Koresh, did not survive the fire. Seventeen of these victims were children under the age of 17. The Danforth Report claims that those who died were unable, or unwilling, to flee and that Steve Schneider, Koresh's right-hand man, probably shot Koresh and killed himself with the same gun. "Waco: The Rules of Engagement" claims that FBI sharpshooters fired on, and killed, many Branch Davidians who attempted to flee the flames. Testimony by the few Branch Davidians who did successfully flee the fire supports this claim. Autopsy records indicate that at least 20 Branch Davidians were shot, including 5 children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh




This came out in the trial. I think Koresh was a wacko but I don't totally buy the government's paint job either. This could have been handled on a state level and a lot of folks would still be alive today. The whole thing reeks of too much testosterone.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #131
174. just murder
How about suicide. They started the fires themselves....because it was prophesied they would all die in a fiery martyrdom....so they made it come true....and got the Feds to play their role perfectly.

Those poor poor religious people....NOT!


I can't believe anyone would believe they were "minding their own business"...which was kidnapping, child rape and stockpiling weapons.

They got just what they wanted...good for them!
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #174
197. not good for the children!!
I've never said they were just "minding their own business", but I would rather see justice carried out through the courts than gun fights and fire.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #45
123. They had an illegal stash of weapons
That's a problem of the criminal variety. I am opposed to allowing people to break the law just because they form a cult.
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #45
125. He married a 7 year old girl
and there was probable cause to investigate him for improper relations with other girls at the compound. Of course when the feds came knocking to ask about the compound...

Just because you're minding your own business does not mean you can break the law, especially with regard to children.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #125
134. Thank you
Too many people want to allow all kinds of abuse under the blanket of "freedom" when the freedom only applies to the white male sons of bitches in charge. That freedom is to create a living hell for others, usually defenseless children and captive women.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #45
142. so ... don't mind the fact that federal agents were shot and killed by
members of his group before the compound was surrounded?

hmm ...
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RalphieD Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #142
159. Once again BAN GUNS!
We don't need guns anymore!
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #159
176. Banning guns is ridiculous
But some sensible gun laws are OK. No one should be able to walk into a tent in Alabama and buy an assault rifle. But if you like to go hunting, there's no reason you cannot buy a gun, get it registered during a waiting period and also prove you know how to care and use it...on a regular basis....like you do when you get a license to drive a car.

A ban is just too draconian.
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RalphieD Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #176
178. BAN BAN BAN
Just make them all illegal, then whenever someone is caught
with one toss them in Gitmo.
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poboyross Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #45
143. I'm in the "right" mind to agree with you....pa-pum-pum
Koresh was a big kook, and perhaps he was keeping people against their will; however, did that justify running a tank through the side of his building, thus starting a blaze that killed all of them? Let us not forget Elian Gonzalez at gunpoint, too. Whatever party is in office will decree that the protests of the other side are "terrorism". America isn't about coexistence anymore, only about domination of the other half of the populous.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:03 AM
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poboyross Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #147
152. Thx for the welcome....
But I'm no freeper....try again. Your assumption that I support child marriage is just as ignorant as the idea that Elian would be better of in Cuba used as an object of propaganda. Ramming a tank into a building full of people is never a good idea. Syntax does matter, but even more so when you have no real point and decide two things 1)That you inherently believe that you're smarter than those who disagree with you and 2) You think you know from whence I came.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:03 AM
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #152
212. at last...
Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 07:29 PM by AnneD
thanks for 'getting it'. Most folks in Houston are not stupid (this is the most DEM area outside Austin), but after listening to the trail, folks were inclined to side with the defendants and not the government and their strong armed tactics. This is still America.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #143
179. did that justify running a tank through the side of his building, thus starting a blaze
Is that what you think happened?

I suppose you also think other GOP lies are true....like Obama is a non-american terrorist.

Y'know....throw religion...any stupid made up religion...into the mix and all logic flies out the window.
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poboyross Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #179
191. You suppose too much.
That's a fact, jack.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #45
161. Oh Christ.....morre Koresh defenders.
Between the gun nuts on this board and the Koresh defenders, you'd think this was Free Republic. Maybe the right-wing extremists are right here.
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poboyross Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #161
172. I don't know if they're Koresh defenders.
I'm not a Koresh defender by any means, nor a right wing extremist. There were horrible things going on in that compound. I think what my point is, along with others I hope, is that how it escalated and the end result was a big SNAFU. The man got what was coming to him, but a lot of it was just one big bloody mess. If the BATF and FBI could have executed that operation the way the SEALS did recently, Koresh would have disappeared into the background of history.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #172
196. Big mess
but dangerous cults like that should never be permitted to reach that point under the blanket of "freedom of religion". Our country allows a lot of shit right here at home, bad human rights abuses, calling it freedom of religion. If people stopped turning a blind eye to the criminality of cults there would be less of a danger of things going bad like they did in this case.

In the end it was ALL on Koresh though, he brought about everything, he is responsible for all the deaths. He was a very evil man.
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poboyross Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #196
207. Well said.....
They (law enforcement) had allowed the situation to go to far before intervening. Koresh *was* responsible for those deaths because of the environment he created and his actions only led to one end once they fired on the LEOs. I just remember watching FBI guys standing on the roof, getting shot through the windows, and thinking "This looks a little haphazard." I guess we're conditioned by Hollywood movies and the exploits of the Special Forces. Try reading Masters of Chaos, and your expectations will be raised through the roof.

One thing that freaks me out are the radical Islam cults that are setting up camp in very rural areas across the US. They look like a bunch of "Koresh-villes" if you've ever seen one. There's one here in TN, and people report seeing and hearing things all the time. However, the local PDs and law enforcement agencies just say "We're keeping an eye on it." I hope to God they are. The ironic thing is, down here the locals probably have enough firepower to level it themselves should things go wrong. I'd much prefer the LEOs to take care of it, though.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:47 AM
Response to Reply #44
85. No need to insult Bobcats. Now, a "shit house rat" works great :-)
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TellTheTruth82 Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:17 AM
Response to Reply #1
100. Be careful with this report
The definition the DHS uses also states that anyone who supports states rights versus Federal authority is a right wing extremist - but that is part of our Constitution, and by extension then, everyone who supports the Constitution is a right wing extremist. Didn't our president take such an oath? This report is basically meaningless as a result.
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Roadcyclist Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #100
126. I find the classification of state's rights as being radical as offensive
I think it is quite naive to believe government always acts in the best interests of the people. In fact, the DHS was created under the leadership of the most extreme right wing President in modern history. It mirrors calls to protect the homeland in Germany during the last 1930s. Do we need some secretive central agency in Washington spying on Americans and determining who might be a threat based on completely Constttutional rights? Thomas Jefferson was an advocate for state's rights because of potential corruption in Washington. Do we need any further evidence that corruption exists in Washington with lobbyists pumping in $3+ billion annually?

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didnt speak up because I wasnt a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didnt speak up because I wasnt a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didnt speak up because I wasnt a Jew;

And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #126
140. Think *secessionist.*
I've been thinking for weeks that the Feds have no jurisdiction in the Franken/Coleman election, that it's up to the state to choose its own Senator, but I'm not advocating that Minnesota secede.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #126
182. Since when is "state's rights" not "government?"
And it's not like we don't have some history about not only Nazis but RW anti-government activities to draw from here.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 09:59 AM
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2. They're not going to like that.
:evilgrin:
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:00 AM
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3. Dear WaTimes; how has the WH "distanced itself from the analysis"?
Oh I get it; the WH hasn't started screaming 24/7 about the lunatic rightwingnuts, giving rightwing lunatics such as the WaTimes fodder to attack the President with.
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #3
8. It is the Washington TIMES not the POST after all... Pass the fruitcake, please
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:00 AM
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4. We should call them by their rightful names, The American Taliban. nt
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. And the American Talebornagains.
Same shit. Same assholes.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #6
30. Yeah Talebornagain is more polite than
Dominionist motherfuckers.

-Hoot
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #30
58. LOL!
Yours is a tad more precise, though.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:03 AM
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127. I like Talibangelicals, myself n/t
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:04 AM
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163. I think all the mass shootings lately are a sign of what's to come....
Right Wing fanatics with basements full of guns are the most dangerous ideologues this country faces right now. Timid politicians, wary of ostracizing gun-toting voters, have been catering to them, creating an armed right-wing army.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:42 AM
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:34 PM
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34. Yes. It's time to start out these radicals before they take the country down.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:01 AM
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5. recommend
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:23 AM
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7. How Refreshing! How Biblical! Somebody Got the Log Out!
New American Standard Bible (1995)


"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye.

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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 05:28 PM
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50. Never got that... how can you have a log in your eye?
Is that some sort of screwed up translation from the original gibberish?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 05:31 PM
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51. Poetic License, I Expect
I'd say a splinter, not a log. But you get the idea, right?
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:23 AM
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101. Imagine cutting a birth day cake with a chain saw. Same type of analogy being made here.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:17 PM
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180. It was mistranslated
The original was "splinter".
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:38 AM
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135. I don't respect that
This is still a country that gives lip service to freedom of religion so I don't have to accept any Bible verse as having any meaning at all.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:24 PM
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185. Besides...there were no guns when it was written.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:29 AM
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9. I wonder how the right feels
about wiretapping now? If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to be upset about, right?
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:32 AM
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10. Sounds like the current republican party to me..

...focus on "one issue."
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 04:53 PM
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49. Yep, I agree.
The Republicans have turned into something very dangerous. They are hate-filled in a perversive neo-nazi type way. They should be the main group being observed by Homeland Security. I think they are as close to becoming home-grown terrorists as anyone. They are a completely different party compared to what they were before Reagan.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 10:34 AM
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11. Do we have this from a source other than The Moonie Times? n/t
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 11:07 AM
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14. DHS report warns of rightwing extremism
Edited on Tue Apr-14-09 11:05 AM by kpete
Source: Salon

Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:30 EDT
DHS report warns of rightwing extremism

In a report produced earlier this month, but just leaked, the Department of Homeland Security warns that the political and economic climate today is similar to the one that fueled the militia movement -- and, eventually, the Oklahoma City bombing -- during the 1990s.

The intelligence assessment, which is being provided to federal, state and local law enforcement, notes that DHS "has no specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence." But it does say there may be a new wave of recruitment into extremist groups, as "the economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment."

Among various factors identified in the document as possible catalysts for radicalization, DHS lists the economic downturn, the election of the first African-American president, fears that new restrictions on guns will be imposed, concern over illegal immigration and the usual worry about an impending "New World Order."

A DHS spokeswoman wasn't immediately available to comment to Salon about the report, but these sorts of reports are produced on a regular basis about left-wing groups, like environmental extremists, as well. It's unclear when work on this particular assessment began, but some reports say that it might have been in the works before Obama took office.


Read more: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room



pdf report:
http://images.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/04/14/dh...
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 11:07 AM
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15. I wonder what Faux News will have to say about this
Probably defend would be terrorists as patriots.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 12:00 PM
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22. They probably think it will help their bottom line.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:32 PM
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33. "Obama's DHS designates all Conservative organizations as 'terrorists'" n/t
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:03 AM
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128. Fox is a terrorist media.
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Summermoondancer Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:59 AM
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160. They are trying to say that it is about vets
they refuse to address those extremists such as right wing nut jobs like aryan nations.
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thebabbster Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:33 PM
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216. or Mr. War Room Glen Beck...
here's a guy who's probably saying, "seeeee? it's already started!"
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 11:07 AM
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16. Yeah except this time you've got a major cable network openly fanning the flames.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 12:02 PM
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23. Yes indeed
This could be seen coming from a long way out. I recall hearing people warn that this would happen if a Democrat were elected before the primaries even started. Having the first woman President wouldn't have pleased these monsters any more. I wonder how Fox will feel about the anti-terrorism laws when it is their hard-core viewers being tried under them? Fox is so damn dangerous to our country. I am sure they would love nothing more than to have the next Tim McVey pull off some bombing then start up with sightings of a mysterious middle-eastern guy seen in the local. The conspiracy nuts tried that with McVey, kept talking about some mystery "Iranian" that was behind the thing. But the media in general treats Fox like they are legitimate.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 12:11 PM
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24. With gun sales at all-time highs
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:35 PM
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35. All the more reason to put gun restrictions into place.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 06:05 PM
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54. Concerns that new restrictions on lawful ownership might be proposed are driving the sales.
Actual attempts to ban popular guns wouldn't exactly assuage those fears.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:13 AM
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130. After the thing in Texas...

I married five more twelve-year-old wives because I was afraid the government would restrict polygamy.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:42 AM
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136. The government would never do that
Abuse of women and children is a gift from GAWD to male religious leaders. There is no way rape of children and imprisonment and sex slavery of women are ever a problem in this great nation due to freedom of (male) religion. All guns will be taken LONG before either the left or the right have a probem with any abuse from cults. Females might be even more cherished property than guns.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:02 AM
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146. So, you consider owning small-caliber rifles comparable to child rape?
Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 10:03 AM by benEzra
That's messed up.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:35 AM
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169. I have a First Amendment right to free exercise of my religion /nt
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:43 AM
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170. Subject to strict-scrutiny limitation, yes. Just like any other right in the Bill of Rights
You can speak, but not slander, you can practice religion but not abuse children, and you can own guns but not automatic weapons (outside of police/military duty, without special Federal authorization).

If you don't believe guns are restricted in this country, check out the hoops you'd have to jump through to buy an AK-47 (a real one). They're as tightly controlled as howitzers, bombs, tanks, and rocket launchers.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:31 PM
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186. They're as tightly controlled as
Let's hope so!

"If you don't believe guns are restricted in this country,..."


...try going to a Tent Show and buying one! It might take a whole 30 minutes or so! Jesus! You don't need a AK-47 to kill people. A shot gun will do.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:03 PM
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209. Possession of an actual AK-47 outside of police/military duty is a 10-year Federal felony.
U.S. non-LEO civilians are limited to non-automatic guns only, unless you first obtain Federal authorization (BATFE Form 4).

A mentally competent adult with a clean record who can pass a Federal background check can legally own a NON-automatic civilian rifle that looks like an AK-47 (I shoot competitively and recreationally with one), but unlike a real AK-47 these are completely incapable of automatic fire and are designed to be difficult to convert to full auto.

Here's the process you have to go through to get a Form 4, BTW:

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#m

(M15) What are the required transfer procedures for an individual who is not qualified as a manufacturer, importer, or dealer of NFA firearms?

ATF Form 4 (5320.4) must be completed, in duplicate. The transferor first completes the face of the form. The transferee completes the transferee's certification on the reverse of the form and must have the "Law Enforcement Certification" completed by the chief law enforcement officer.

The transferee is to place, on each copy of the form, a 2-inch by 2-inch photograph of the transferee taken within the past year (proofs, group photographs or photocopies are unacceptable). The transferee's address must be a street address, not a post office box. If there is no street address, specific directions to the residence must be included.

If State or local law requires a permit or license to purchase, possess, or receive NFA firearms, a copy of the transferee's permit or license must accompany the application. A check or money order for $200 ($5 for transfer of "any other weapon") shall be made payable to ATF by the transferor. All signatures on both copies must be in ink.

Fingerprints also must be submitted on FBI Form FD-258, in duplicate. Fingerprints must be taken by a person qualified to do so, and must be clear and classifiable. If wear or damage to the fingertips do not allow clear prints, and if the prints are taken by a law enforcement official, a statement on his or her official letterhead giving the reason why good prints are unobtainable should accompany the fingerprints.

Forward the completed application and appropriate tax payment to the Bureau of ATF, P.O. Box 73201, Chicago, IL 60673.

Transfer of the NFA firearm may be made only upon approval of the ATF Form 4 by the NFA Branch. If the application is approved, the original of the form with the cancelled stamp affixed showing approval will be returned to the applicant. If the tax application is denied, the tax will be refunded.

Upon approval of the ATF Form 4, the transferor should transfer the firearm as soon as possible, since the firearm is now registered to the transferee.

(26 U.S.C. 5812, 27 CFR 479.84-86)


I believe there are fewer than 200 pre-1986 civilian-transferable AK-47's in this country. If you do get Federal permission to own one, prices start around $17,000 and go up from there.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:31 PM
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199. You'll take my girls from my cold, dead fingers.... /nt
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 11:07 AM
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17. duh! Ya think? n/t
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 11:07 AM
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18. This report does not surprise me one bit.
I have infiltrated sites like FreekRepulick, and the chatter is there.
The far-right fringe whackos are calling for revolution.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 11:39 AM
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19. Am I Missing Something?
Why do we need DHS to tell us this when anyone who reads DU or listens to Faux News or Sarah Palin should be able to figure this out?

:wtf:
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 01:33 PM
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25. This information was not put out for you .....lol....
This information is a warning for law enforcement and yes that is exactly what DHS was supposed to do... What do you think we should just wait around until they are blowing things up and "KILLIN LIBRULS" or supporting Al-Qaida in efforts to make Obama look bad? This is exactly the measures that need to be taken. They are wacky and dangerous on the right.
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:42 AM
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137. Those three policemen in Pittsburgh might still be alive if they had this extra warning to
possibly expect an AK-47 packing wacko. (Neighbors: 'He seemed like such a nice, normal young man...')
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thebabbster Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #137
217. the problem is
that he won't be the last nut to open fire on the police.
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 11:57 AM
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20. Coincidence ?
Or an active plan by Arayan types to disrupt the governing body.
Had a peak in the 90's...
Now rising again...
Bush's are renowned Arayans...
CIA has a lo0ng Arayan history...

They are still in power folks, make no mistake.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 12:00 PM
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21. I'm seeing violent right wing talking points repeated by some on my
veterans list.
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 01:44 PM
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26. A little slow on the uptake, ain't they?
They created the monster and set it loose. Now WTF do they intend to do about it? For years the PNAC'ers went right for the lowest denominator they could co-opt, fanned the flames, coddled the wackogelical cult-churches, let nutwing radio spread like a cancer, stamped out all dissent -- and they thought there would be any different result?

Ray Charles could have seen this coming, fah crissake.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:43 AM
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138. The PNAC'ers don't care because they are all rich and hide in
their gated communities, safe from the rabble in the streets. Then once the "revolution" is over, they plan to sweep in and clean up, making a killing in profits. Simple, no?
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 01:50 PM
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27. It would have to get reported on Fox Snooze for heads to explode, no? n/t
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crankmob Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 01:50 PM
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28. first they came for...
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:06 AM
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97. Who? The crazy right wing wackos advocating violence?
:shrug: I don't have a problem with that, do you?
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crankmob Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:37 PM
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201. Yes, i have a huge problem with it.
Define advocating violence because I haven't seen/heard it.

But then again I haven't watched TeeVee in many years and am able to think clearly.

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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 09:13 AM
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222. I don't think you've read the actual report, though
or you would have a better understanding of the issues. There are extremist groups, like the one which influenced Timothy McVeigh, which openly advocate violence against other Americans. One of the purposes of our government is to protect Americans. I'd suggest you actually read the report before you post.

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 01:58 PM
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29. The Washington Times?!?!?!?!?
:rofl:
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 04:36 PM
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46. How about ThinkProgress?
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/14/dhs-report-right-wi... /

Most extremists have made rhetorical statements and have stopped short of calls for violent action, but since the 2008 election, right-wing extremists are reaching out to a wider audience of potential sympathizers. Some highlights from the report:

Anti-immgration: Rightwing extremist groups frustration over a perceived lack of government action on illegal immigration has the potential to incite individuals or small groups toward violence. If such violence were to occur, it likely would be isolated, small-scale, and directed at specific immigration-related targets.

Recruiting returning vets: Rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat.

Gun-related violence: Heightened interest in legislation for tighter firearms may be invigorating rightwing extremist activity, specifically the white supremacist and militia movements.

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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 05:13 AM
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81. How about CNN?
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Optical.Catalyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:30 AM
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83. Articles like this in the Washington Times is like an English comedian saying 'knickers'
Selling a few more copies of their fish wrapper to the hard core right wingers is what we would expect when they are losing so badly.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:19 PM
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31. Logically, RW wackos will start poisoning "liberals" in such a way that it will be difficult
to prove their guilt. In the deep confusion (fueled by RW hate radio) of their twisted, ignorant minds, they will justify their insanity by claiming that it is their patriotic duty.

There's tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of these ignorant, violent extremist freaks out there, and they are going to kill a lot more innocent people before they are through.

Violent RW extremists like Adkisson, who murdered "liberals" in a Unitarian Church, Poplawski, who recently murdered police officers in Pittsburgh because he thought Obama was coming for his guns, Kaczynski, the Unabomber, and McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, are rapidly becoming the rule rather than the exception.

I hope the FBI is keeping a close watch on these wackos before they kill many more innocent people. These people are absolutely fucking crazy and conscienceless.

If you've ever talked to one of screwballs, you know exactly what I'm saying.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #31
187. If you've ever talked to one of screwballs
I met one once...but he never talked. just cleaned his Uzi in silence. There were guns all over the trailer, with his fat poodle-haired wife and about 5 toddlers running around.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:22 PM
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32. FBI has been watching the Far-Right militia/Identity/Klan wingnuts for decades
Difference is, the neo-Nazi types think the country is now in a pre-revolutionary state, so they're following the script laid out for them.

Pretty sad crew.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 07:40 PM
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60. FBI oughta keep an eye on the nutjobs at freeperville
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 08:00 PM
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64. I think that for the last 8 years the FBI and DOJ were not
watching these groups as they should have been...The FBI and DOJ were spying on grannies in Wisconsin, an peace protesters, they were spying on black groups, gay and lesbian groups....not hate groups. Hate groups were allowed to flourish under * and they felt empowered and now we are seeing the results.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 11:21 PM
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67. The FBI has never done anything but actively oppose progressive movements . . ..
and progressive leadership -

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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #64
120. I think you are correct. I have read stories about how they infiltrated old lady Quaker peace
activist sowing circles and yet would not lift a finger to investigate militia groups that are springing up in the rural parts of this country.

It seems like the safety of this country is not their primary concern, but rather the politics of the moment.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:39 PM
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188. Yeah...we saw the results of not watching the Saudis like Clinton did.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:39 PM
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36. A couple of things...
First, the report mentions several times the "proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans". Didn't they get the memo that this is a nonstarter?

Second, some of the examples of anti-Jewish sentiments could have come straight from DU.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 05:43 PM
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52. Oh come now...
The report specifically states Right Wing Conservative ideologues. The left are about peace and humanity I think terror acts and Murder are off the list of decent liberals....
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:41 PM
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189. You mean Anti-Jewish or Anti-Israel?
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:40 PM
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37. Six days until Hitler's 60th birthday.

I hope law enforcement is aware of that little tidbit coming up on Monday.


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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 02:47 PM
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38. And five days until the anniversary of the Waco finale. n/t
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 04:52 PM
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48. I was worried in 1990
that my daughter would be born on the 15th Income tax day. I wanted the 16th (day late dollar short) or Earth day. She was born on 4/19/90. I thought it would be just another day, but wackos have gone out of their way to use that date as a manifesto every since Waco.

The week before her birthday the TV would be shut off (to avoid anniversary shows). We had to schedule parties before her birthday to keep them happy events. It has basically sucked for her during her childhood. We really don't celebrate on that day, just all around it.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:19 PM
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39. 20 April 1889 30 April 1945. He would have been 120 on the 20th.
Not 60.
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #39
72. Thanks! I was just about to check that. I thought that couldn't possibly
make sense.
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threadkillaz Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:28 PM
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40. This is not the America I was raised in.
nt
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:39 PM
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42. About damn time is right - time to expose domestic terrorists to the light of day
Edited on Tue Apr-14-09 03:40 PM by Politicub
There is no room in the US for people of their ilk. They are an affront to civil society, and should be afraid of the repercussions for their skewed beliefs.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 06:11 PM
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55. Exactly. Pretty soon people will start burning their books.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 06:58 PM
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59. Which would be counter to exposing them to the light of day
I think the written record of the domestic terrorists exposes to average people how unhinged they have become.

I haven't seen anyone advocate book burning - except for you floating the idea.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:41 PM
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43. this comes from the Moonie Times
I wonder what their motivation is?
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 04:38 PM
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47. Yeah but the report comes from DHS run by Obama Admin now
I think Faux and the rest of the loonies are ramping up the RW nutcases out there.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 06:30 PM
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56. Exactly they are being whipped into a frenzy
by Right WIng Talk Radio and Faux news types like Glen Beck and Oliely....

They are using terms like it is Patriotic dissent to criticize Obama's economic policy.

They call it healthy Democracy when it is actually Poisonous rhetoric.

I would not be surprised if they started armed insurrections to try and force states to secede.

Scary indeed.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 07:43 PM
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61. yes, the "Obama is born out of country & not an American" rhetoric is rising
any lie will do :puke: as long as it keeps the RW nutjobs frenzied up
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ShareTheWoods Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 05:50 PM
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53. And let's eliminate the 10th Amendment and states rights while we are at it
This could be the best chance to bury America's founding fathers forever.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 06:33 PM
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57. There is a ton of wisdom in your statement. n/t
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 07:44 PM
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62. if only the RWnuts could do it, they''d be happy
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 08:09 PM
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65. The States Righters are howling at the moon again...
just as they did in 1860. Hmmm, most of the same states involved.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:45 PM
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192. OK is in the South?
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DemOkie Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 09:44 PM
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66. Folks,we are better than this
The measure of a true Progressive is to be able to tolerate dissenting opinion. If we allow ourselves and our rightfully elected representatives to descend to villianizing people that disagree with us, then we are no better than the people we stand against. It's one thing to pillory the right wing buffoons, but when we condone this kind of blanket condemnation, then we sow the seeds of our own cause's demise.Did we learn nothing from the American experience of Vietnam? We can't win the hearts and minds if we napalm the landscape. The majority of the people on the right are us..our parents,co-workers, neighbors. If we allow them to become marginalized, then we will never be able to win them over with our ideas.
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shrula Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 11:55 PM
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69. DemOkie
I just read painfully through this thread and joined only after reading DemOkie's post because it gave me hope. I'm reading this forum because I found it researching another subject and it caught my attention. I hope to build a bridge. I think we learn more when we try to understand other people's points of view. Often I find we have more in common than we thought.

One poster's comment that "this is not the America I grew up in" gripped me because I feel the same way, though I'm a conservative (Please don't stop reading.). My perception is that America has changed in the opposite direction! It was the same America we both lament. By conservative I mean I believe people are most capable, resilient, self-reliant, and GENEROUS under (over) a LIMITED government. The typically conservative types up north showed those qualities during recent flooding this winter. The current massive expansion of government power has me very concerned, and not without sound cause (and I am a civil servant). Power always seems to corrupt, as we have seen on both sides of the aisle. The statement from DHS has me concerned for two reasons: That I, as a conservative may be targeted unjustly as an extremist or terrorist simply by being associated with certain conservative causes; or that I may be unjustly associated with true extremists who advocate violence. Incidentally, apparently in January they issued a similar statement including Left-Wing radicals so this knife cuts both ways. I do not advocate violence or terrorism of any kind. I am just as outraged as any decent Democrat when I see foreign or domestic terrorism, or piracy, or racism or bigotry. I hate those things. Many of the liberal posts and blogs I have read have not assuaged my fears, as there seems to be a lot of misinformation, exaggeration and vilification of the average conservative. I know the opposite goes on in "conservative" writing too, which also does nothing to help us get along. It almost seems the powers that be don't want us to get along.

I am concerned that my rights will be taken away or curbed because of perceptions, rather than actions. Every pro-lifer I know, including me, believes it's criminal to use vigilante justice, just like pro-choice people. Most sincere Christians I know believe very strongly in personal freedoms for all, even those whose opinions and religion differ from theirs. I know there are many stupid or insincere Christians out there and I cringe sometimes at the things some of them say. Here's one thing about Christianity that has been so attractive for so long: The idea that if everyone loves their neighbors as themselves, very little crime will result, and there will be no need for big government to step in and regulate society to a high degree, because everyone looks out for everyone else. I think this is a fundamental difference between my brand of conservatism and what I perceive to be corrupt liberalism and corrupt conservatism: Christianity looks to Christ and the individual to do the right thing (SELF-restraint), and others demand legislation to force their wills on others. I am certain of this: If God exists, he values our free choice very highly, which implies a high degree of self-determination and accountability for us all.

I am a Christian of little account who is willing to listen to you and learn from you. I am not a whipping boy so if all you want is a place where you can hate those wacko, "jebus" loving conservatives, I'll kindly bow out. But if you're willing to do the hard thing and talk with an open mind and empathetic spirit, I'd like to stick around, at least for a little while. Your choice.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:06 AM
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219. Hi shrula.
Edited on Thu Apr-16-09 12:08 AM by Quantess
Welcome to DU, and unfortunately I anticipate you will have a short stay. It certainly isn't DemOkie's choice whether you'll get to stay and discuss anything further. DU is for progressives and Democrats only, and the mods will decide whether to let you keep posting. Probably not for long, since you are a conservative. :)

Edit to add: Have you tried Free Republic? They might be more your style.
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shrula Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 08:41 PM
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226. I know, and thanks.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:01 AM
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70. Extremism is the problem
there are extremes on both sides of the aisle. But while we on the left marched in the streets and criticized Bush et al, we were not preaching revolution and secession as some extremists on the right are doing.

All it takes is one or two crazies to do the unthinkable. The Hannitys and the Limpbaughs are out there whipping up the crazy - they are doing it on purpose. I don't think they should be censored, but if a group is known to be prone to violent behavior, they need to be watched.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:32 AM
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79. Dissenting opinion is different ....
Then talk of sedition and violence ....

One can disagree on nearly everything, but it is fair and reasonable that those who speak of violence AND have the capacity to carry it out should expect the scrutiny of those who are charged with maintaining peace in our country ....

No one is trying to shut them up, and there is nothing wrong with maintaining a stance of careful observation ....

I expect no less from those who are paid to protect the public from possible convulsions of violence ...
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:57 AM
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157. Pox News and right wing treasonous radio
has to be shut down for promoting treason and fomenting violence.
Playing nice with rabid animals has consequences. They are dangerous to themselves and others.
Anyone who's seen or heard these fire breathing seditious lunatics and hucksters knows they need to be removed from decent society. They've been influencing the weak minded for far too long and they now represent a real danger.
These are the fuckers that would detonate a dirty bomb in Times Square at rush hour.
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shrula Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:45 PM
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213. This is nothing but hate
...and serves no one's cause, unless you are so full of hate for anyone who disagrees with you that you will do anything, no matter how immoral, so silence them.

If Obama can talk to the leader of Iran with the hope of reconciliation (unlikely), then you and I should be able to talk civilly about less weighty matters than the destruction of the US or Israel.

What you are promoting is fascism. Do you really think that's the best answer? You really want the government to shut down all dissenting views? What happens when the government later changes its views to something other than the ones you hold? You have then hypothetically given it the power to shut you down. Oops. Do you know anything about the Bolshevik Revolution?

Anyone who would detonate a dirty bomb had disastrous, irreparable malfunctions long before he/she tuned in to Fox News, or CNN, or a liberal or conservative blog, etc. Remember, there are extreme left-wingers out there for whom YOU are not liberal enough. Maybe liberal enough to detonate a dirty bomb, posing as a conservative to discredit conservatives and foment public opinion against them. See how that works? I just turned your own words against you to make a point. The left and right wings form a circle, curving downward left and right until they meet at the bottom, where people will use any motivation to promote violence. Are those people liberal or are they conservative? My point is that it doesn't matter. I'm not suggesting either scenario would happen, but a terrorist's political affiliation or religion is really irrelevant. Mass murder is mass murder and must be prevented. I hope at least as strongly as you do to prevent terrorism from happening anywhere. I know a lot of gun owners but not a single one who advocates the violent overthrow of the government or harming any citizen.

Can we please stick to plausibility? All this conjecture, hate and exaggeration serves no one.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 08:50 AM
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221. You
are full of shit.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:32 AM
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166. They aren't talking about opposition.
They are talking about radicalized groups/people inciting violence and advocating violent overthrow of the government. These aren't 'peaceful protesters', these are hate groups.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 11:26 PM
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68. Are these Obama people now heading up "Homeland" security??? . . . FEMA...???
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:28 AM
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75. Janet Napolitano at Homreland Security
.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:29 PM
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193. Thank you -- yes, now I recall . . . an Obama appointment -
and looked at as a positive placement!

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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 03:07 PM
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202. Right. Poor woman!
She's got more than any ONE should be asked to handle.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:06 AM
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71. Good...glad to hear this.....nt
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:30 AM
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73. They put out a warning on environmental terrorists a few years ago.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:51 AM
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74. Fomented by limberger:
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:34 AM
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167. And a lot of other RW media. Fox, etc.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:52 AM
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76. Actually radicals are a left wing group when they're on the right they're called reactionaries.
Reactionaries want to turn the clock back to an earlier time that usually never existed in the first place. Hitler was a reactionary.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:34 AM
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80. Minor distinctions ...
That are too quaint for general consumption, where regular citizens understand 'radical' to mean 'fringe' or 'extreme' ....
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Reform Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 01:59 AM
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77. Fanning the flames here
Republicans will be in office again one day, id be careful of the precedents that are being set here
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:48 AM
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156. THEY ALREADY HAVE set Precedent the Last Eight Years!
these are extremists, not just folks upset at their government. These people talk about killing others just because they are different from them.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:15 AM
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j420norcal Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:23 AM
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82. Well, lets face it...
Today's Right-Wingers are pretty fucked in the head.
They should have to go door-to-door and announce themselves every time they move into a new neighborhood.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:46 AM
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84. In other words, WATCH OUT FOR THE REPUBLICAN BASE.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:48 AM
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86. KNR!
Very DANGEROUS talk on the right! Beck-Hannity-Rush-Newt the *KOOK* from Minnesota...etc!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:50 AM
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87. And just like mainstream Christians, who refuse to curb their extremists...
...the Republican party refuses to reel in these maniacs.
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elias7 Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:56 AM
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88. from Reuters- same report
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elias7 Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:59 AM
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89. no mention of the flames fanned by limbaugh, hannity, beck, etc.
These heads have started the dissent and fan the flames and need to be held accountable. For example, what was that Chuck Norris thing all about in TX. That needs to be addressed by DHS and get play by Media
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RalphieD Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:09 AM
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90. What's their problem?
Why won't the right-wing extremists wake up and realize that
they LOST!!!  So what if you have to pay taxes?  Who will
take care of people who can't pay their mortgages?  The
government finally will be able to bring down these fat cats
on wall street and give some money to people who need it.
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poboyross Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:18 AM
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150. Your statement makes no sense....
You didn't give up when Bush won *two* terms did you? Why should they? Regardless of your disagreements, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander. So what, 40-some-odd percent of the country didn't vote for our President, they should just shut up and go along with *anything*? C'mon, you've got more common sense than that, I know it.

So what if I have to pay taxes? Here's "so what"....I spend my money better than they do. I don't run deficits, I don't give it to habitual makers of their own undoing. I don't waste money invading my next door neighbor's lawn and annexing it because I want to take his AWESOME Kentucky bluegrass and fescue.

Who will take care of people who can't pay their mortgages? Um....no one? While I believe there should be plans to help people stay in their homes, I believe they shouldn't be able to skip out on what they owe. I know there are a monstrous amount of predatory lenders out there; however, to trust a bank in the first place? That's foolish. We did our research and avoided the scam one bank tried to pull on us, and in the end, we're still underwater on our house because of dropping values. Am I going to whine to the gub'ment to pay the difference between the loan/home value when I sell? Of course not. Would I if I could, no. I'll eat the cost because as in the rest of life....it's chance, and this time I lost. Better luck next time.

Your statement "give money to people who need it". I take it you believe that it's the gub'ment's job to decide who needs what and how much? So they should confiscate from a responsible person like me, at one time equal in economic footing with those who made bad decisions? I take ownership of my mistakes and bad situations, no matter if I was screwed over or not. It's my job to always be more informed and dare I say smarter than the people I deal with, whenever possible. It's not the gub'ment's job to *give* money to people. If they're going to distribute it, it should be under conditions of repayment only. Those capable of working should always labor for everything, lest they take it for granted and expect the government to "give it to those who need it".
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RalphieD Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:33 AM
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154. I make perfect sense
For too long the right wing-nuts have told us about
"personal responsibility".  Look where it has
gotten us.  Obama said that the government is the only way to
get us out of this slumping economy that your hillbilly cowboy
Bush got us into.  You hoist up your flag of doing research
when getting a loan.  Good for you!  Now how about helping
out some of those crushed under the economy your party
created.
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poboyross Donating Member (63 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:43 PM
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190. I never once said that Bush was *my* President.
Nor will I ever say he was. No man is "my" president, just "the" president. On a principle basis, removed from politics or party, do you not believe in personal responsibility? Are you saying that personal responsibility or a lack thereof is the reason things happened? Obviously since President Obama said it, it *must* be true. No President has ever had all the answers, nor will they ever. In this case, I believe that the President is wrong in his execution of an idea that is beneficial in principle. Name calling doesn't give your position any more credit or make it more convincing. Maybe you want me to get angry, perhaps it makes you feel better, or perhaps you want me to be a stereotype and say "Obamessiah"? I don't engage in that, it's disrespectful to the man and to the person I'm talking to.

I do hoist up my flag, because I'm a normal person and I expect the same out of those around me. Naievity is not an excuse to have me pay for anyone, ever. So I reject "helping out some of those crushed under the economy" by just giving them money they don't have to pay back.

To sit there and believe that responsibility lies with only one party is a misinformed position, too. I know it helps folks feel completely justified in whatever their position may be, to believe that their party's hands are clean. In this case, dirty hands go back for at least a generation on both sides. Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush are to blame...throw congress in that mix, too. Encouraging risky loans to those with limited income? That's just plain crazy. Presidents who made this possible, signed a bill, or let it continue are to blame, all of them. Why weren't things fixed in the 1994 takeover by the republicans? Why weren't things fixed in 2006? Why are most all of the top members of BOTH parties on the top of the donor lists for these mortgage and insurance companies?

To hold to a philosophy is one thing; however, to hold that the party you ascribe to is the perfect embodiment of that philosophy? That is expecting too much!
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shrula Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:18 PM
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214. Thank you for this.
More hope.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:21 AM
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91. So I turn on Joey Scar and, sure enough, he's covering this story.
According to him, the Bush administration would never have targeted liberal groups. Uh huh. Right. Remember a certain group of infiltrated Quakers? Not to mention the whole lot of us who had our rights shredded before our eyes.
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Blandocyte Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:31 AM
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92. Phil Valentine
mentioned this during last eve's drive time. He tried to get his idjits believing that any statement not in favor of an Obama policy would be considered "hate speech" and linked it to his fear of the return of the Fairness Doctrine. His idjits probably have no idea that groups like Stormfront are more the subject of this attention, and now are probably proud as they mistakenly believe that together with other hate radio addicts they're considered "badass" by the gov't because they get together in their little group of 36 or so "teabaggers" and have their useless whiny-ass teaparties.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:31 AM
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93. Is this what Scarborough
was ranting on about this morning? - Janet Napolitano is gonna send spies to Utah - She is already spying on our troops coming home from war - Cripes ---He just makes it up as he goes along.
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twitomy Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:40 AM
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94. I dont like this...
So if you are against illegal immigration, think taxes are too high, and the government spends too much money, you are a dangerous extremist?? Sounds like police state to me..
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:53 AM
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220. Maybe you would like the discussion on Free Republic better?
Edited on Thu Apr-16-09 02:57 AM by Quantess
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 07:53 AM
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96. Shades of McCarthyism. nt
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:14 AM
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98. Here is another source, AOL story and AOL poll.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
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102. Right-wing extremism may be on rise, report says
Source: CNN

Right-wing extremist groups may be using the recession and the election of the nation's first African-American president to recruit members, a Department of Homeland Security report contends.

Though the nine-page report said it has "no specific information that domestic right-wing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence," it said real-estate foreclosures, unemployment and tight credit "could create a fertile recruiting environment for right-wing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past."

The report, prepared in coordination with the FBI and published April 7, was distributed to federal, state and local law enforcement officials under the title "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment."

It compares the current climate the 1990s, "when right-wing extremism experienced a resurgence fueled largely by an economic recession, criticism about the outsourcing of jobs, and the perceived threat to U.S. power and sovereignty by other foreign powers."



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/14/extremism.report /



I guess tea parties are a good place for new recruits
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
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103. Government bureaucrats seem to be the last to know anything.
Someone should tell the report authors that the rest of America has already put this in the "No Shit, Sherlock" category.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
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104. Yup and Faux is on it like flies on shit
Edited on Wed Apr-15-09 01:01 AM by Politicalboi
http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=gf6ew

Get to your Free Speech zones now! :rofl:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
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105. I think racism is the main push of the freak out by the Right
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
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106. I hate to say it
But well...duh. You have the first Black president elected, and you have the first real talk of attacking some of the right's scared cows, and the exposure of the right wing's economic polices as piracy. I hope I am wrong, but it will not surprise me if several are dead by 2012, including Obama himself. There are many who will gladly attempt to do the equivalent of Hitler's Beer Hall riot.
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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
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107. Tea party brown shirts? n/t
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
Response to Reply #107
112. Hell yes!
And are these fools going to be mad when they don't get enough attention today.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 09:56 PM
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227. The right wing pirates a more in a brown pants mode,,,
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greengestalt Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
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108. And listen to the Right Wingers bray and whine
Turn on the Radio they are all but calling for murderous armed insurrection while at the same time screaming that "Agent Provacateurs" will be in the 'tea party' crowds to commit crimes to justify military and police actions.


I'd feel sorry for them -but- they didn't care when post 9/11 "CointelPro 2.0" was legalized. That was because it was left-wing groups, largely non-violent and pacifist targeted for constant monitoring and disruption, even those with absolutely no illegal agenda. Only now that there's the prospect of a "Left" leaning president ordering the targeting of the more notoriously violent extremists they adore and admire (like Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, Abortion Clinic bombers, etc.) do they scream the constitution is violated.


These people are pathetic hate filled bigots that deserve no sympathy. They traded liberty for the pretense of security by supporting Satanist (Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove) leaders who draped themselves in the flag and waved the bible and now they cry they got neither.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
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115. As I recall the feds even had a plant in some knitting group after 9/11. But that..
was when * was the resident.

Now that a Black man is in the office, the militia nuts are back.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
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109. im just glad someone correctly indentified the nazi's
and their movement as right wing extremism.

conservatives try deseperately hard to link socialism with the nazis...


but unfortunately for them, every one knows the fascists were right ringers!
and everyone knows grows like the KKK are right wing groups...


they can run from that fact all they want, but eventually the truth will catch up
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
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110. There's no way Glenn Beck hasn't had an effect on them.
Hell, that church shooter in Tennessee and the cop killer in Pittsburgh both said they listened to him.

It is incredibly hilarious to listen to these people complain about the government suddenly turning it's eyes on them.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
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114. So far its only guns these Pukes have been using. Hopefully someone is watching out for Becks'
gun toting listeners on his hate filled program.
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RalphieD Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:19 PM
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181. Ban guns
Stop the madness and ban the damn guns already!
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
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111. Astro-turf day
Well it is astro turf day, most people will see it come and go and not think twice about "tea parties". Of course it is the big guys that are organizing these stupid little demonstrations. And through the right-wing media outlets it will be big money creating the next Oklahoma City.

My guess is that if there is another domestic terrorist attack, Faux Noise will be creating rumors of some guy in a turban spotted on the scene. There are definite draw-backs to pretending that propaganda outlets offer news.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
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113. Good time to stay out of public buildings when the Pukes get riled up. Beck makes
Rush look and sound _almost_ sane. I thought there were rules against stirring up
a hornets nest, like Beck is doing?
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Such a Bird Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
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116. We Reap What We Sow....
If the Obama administration is going to strongly push an agenda that the right is clearly in opposition to, you have to expect a strong negative reaction from the other side. Remember, when Bush pushed the Iraq War onto us, the left reacted negatively too.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:24 AM
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117. Negative isn't bombings
The left reacts "negatively" by having anti-war protests with yelling and holding up signs. The right reacts negatively by their media mouthpieces calling for "revolution".

The left marches and chants, the right bombs Federal Buildings. There really isn't a comparison and we can't just accept calls for criminal behavior from the right.
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RalphieD Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #102
223. This is dangerous
The Bush regime has created legions of suceptible young men
and women returning from illegal and unjust wars in Iraq and
Afghanistan.  It's not their fault.  They would not be in
this situation if not for the immoral acts of America.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:27 AM
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118. Angry Lefties make signs, hold marches, call their Reps. Angry Righties shoot people in the head,
crash planes, and blow up buildings.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #118
122. !!
:spray:

Ain't that the truth! :rofl:
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 09:44 AM
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224. You forgot to mention strongly worded letters to the editor, or, dare I say, to DU
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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 08:35 AM
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121. asdf
A large part of the crazy anti-Americanism from the rightwing nutjobs and fruitcakes is for one, simple, pathetic reason.

They lost.

They can't stand it.

The hate, fear, anger, impotence, and ignorance that fills their damaged psyches could be kept in check as long as "they" (actually just their rich idols) were in power. Now they aren't, and their natural sociopathy (sp?) is coming to the forefront.
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Zech Marquis The 2nd Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:05 AM
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129. talk about a complete 360...
Last year we wouldnt have heard a whisper about this from * and Darth Cheney in charge. Now there's the lunatic Glenn Beck, who's practically begging these same rightwing idiots to go out and do shit. These people are really dangeous...
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:49 AM
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141. No offense, but there's a line from the film "The Last Action Hero" that's appropriate here:

"One-eighty, you stupid, spaghetti-slurping cretin - 180! If I did a 360, I'd go completely around and end up back where I started!"


:P

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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:06 AM
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148. This is how you know the fascists are at work and that Bush/Cheney were their henchmen.
While Bush was in the white house I heard people on the left wanting to really "do something," to stop the fascist cabal. And, believe me, I certainly saw bush/cheney as a threat to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But I knew the political pendelum would swing back - as long as the elections were fair!
Now that we have a decent/competent President and a Dem Congress, the fascists are ready to rise up and overthrow the government. They tried it with FDR too, but it didn't work out...and no one was ever held accountable back then either.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:45 AM
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139. John and the boys tried to warn us about it long ago...

"there's a bad man on the Right."

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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:56 AM
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145. No surprise in that finding.
All they need to do is listen to a little of the RW talk radio fanatics right now.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:07 AM
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149. Wow! By that definition, my whole town is a right-wing extremist group!
"Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority."
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:22 AM
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151. I was talking to a right-winger this past weekend who was saying some crazy stuff....
said we should abolish the federal government, talked about a big shortage of ammunition, and blamed everything on Woodrow Wilson. There was more but these 3 points raised red flags for me. My first thought was this person wants to abolish the government because a democrat has been elected? WTF - overreact much??

But I found out this is what's being spewed out there by the right wing talking heads. When I googled I immediately found a link where Glen Beck had someone on his show bashing the shit out of Woodrow Wilson so that's where that one came from. Texas wants to secede now and evidently wingers are busy buying guns and ammunition at such rates that they are creating a shortage of ammunition.

These people are really amped up, there is an undercurrent of rage in their rantings, and they have these talking heads egging them on pouring fuel on the fire. Not a good situation.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:32 AM
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153. "radicals on right" =in other words, the republicans in congress.
labeling their democratic colleagues as treasonous "socialists" and making black LISTS!. They really want to restore the shameful episode of McCarthyism. Long live heir Limpballs!
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:34 AM
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155. Contains No News didn't say anything about disgruntled vets
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xocet Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:17 AM
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165. The Washington Times is the BEST!
This morning on C-SPAN's Washington Journal, Eli Lake, one of the co-authors of the article in the OP, was being interviewed. He said a few things and then threw in a "balancing" statement about right-wing militias and "left-wing" militias. I missed the left-wing militia meeting last week - can anyone fill me in on what was discussed?

Let's have more news that is sourced to Fox News or to its ilk! I want more quotations from Karl Rove mixed in with my news! Let's have some more balance of the inaccurate with the accurate!


:sarcasm:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 11:34 AM
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168. Ok like the AP I want to read this somewhere else
not that the warning ain't there, but hey... even abroad you can smell the RW bias in the reportage...

That said... YOU THINK?
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:22 PM
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183. Who or what are the deleted messages in this thread? nt
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 12:23 PM
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184. Shouldn't "disgruntled war veterans" be mad at Bush?
Bush sent them into an pointless quagmire, not Obama.
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 02:30 PM
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198. Is this the one Glenn Beck was getting all pissy about?
Claiming that the government was attacking the vets. (Like he ever gave a you know what about them).
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:01 PM
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205. They were just as nutz when the economy was good. The Oklahoma City bombing happen in 1995 when
the economy was a lot better than it is now. The survivalist militias where running around "saying the sky is falling" all through the 1990s. They just freak out when ever a Democrat is in.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 04:35 PM
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206. A prediction:
At some point in the next couple of years, an ugly right wing plot will be uncovered (or perhaps not :cry: ), and its origins will trace back into the lower levels of the Republican Party.
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ardvark Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 05:23 PM
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208. A step in the wrong direction - dangerous precident
"but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority.

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration," the warning says.
"

that is WAY to broad - these are issues that people have a right to express an opionion on


do we want them going after left wing war protesters, and people who try to organize wal-mart workers in the next repubican administration?

if they have in the past, they shouldnt have
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 06:06 PM
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210. The Bush administration added quite a few war protesters and environmental activists
to the secret anti-terrorism blacklist, and Gonzales lobbied hard for the power to deny a slew of civil rights (including the right to own firearms) to those so blacklisted.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 10:30 PM
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215. Gov. Perry is a terrorist being "anti-federalist" Arrest is in order.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:14 PM
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225. the return of a few disgruntled war veterans
Yes coming home to unemployment and no job

Been There done that
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