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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 01:24 PM
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Supreme Court rejects Philip Morris' appeal
Source: Oregon Live

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court today threw out a cigarette maker's appeal of a $79.5 million award to a Portland smoker's widow, ending a 10-year legal fight to keep her from collecting.

In a one-sentence order, the court left in place a ruling by the Oregon Supreme Court in favor of Mayola Williams of Northeast Portland. The state court has repeatedly upheld a verdict against Altria Group Inc.'s Philip Morris USA in a fraud trial in 1999.

Read more: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/us_supreme_court_tosses_philip.html



Justice at last.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 01:43 PM
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1. Let the flood gates open.
Put the child hooking drug maker out of business.


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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 01:45 PM
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2. Hahahahaha...
As if they will ever do that. Or ban it. Too much tax revenue made off of it.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 02:43 PM
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9. We don't need another Prohibition...
Tax it until it costs as much cheap pot. What does a pack of smokes weigh, 1/2 oz.?

How does $60 a pack sound?
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 01:59 PM
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3. When is alcohol going to get sued
They still have commercials that glamorize alcohol, and years back we had 3 frogs telling 3 year olds how to say Bud Wis Er. That's child hooking. Not some billboard on an interstate with Joe the Camel on it. People know smoking is bad they've known for years. I just wish they would treat the alcohol companies which produce a more harmful drug, would get the same treatment. Your an alcoholic well sue the booze companies. Your family got killed by a drunk driver sue the booze companies. They didn't put warnings on booze till the late 80's. And mostly to warn pregnant mothers. Children who were deprived of their childhood because their parents were drunk deserve something. It's like second hand smoke only worse. People have to take responsibility for what they do.
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wakeoftheflood Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 02:33 PM
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8. Whose fault is it?
People know smoking is bad they've known for years.
People have to take responsibility for what they do.


Your family got killed by a drunk driver sue the booze companies.
People have to take responsibility for what they do.


Children who were deprived of their childhood because their parents were drunk deserve something.
People have to take responsibility for what they do.




People have to take responsibility for what they do.


Is it the frogs or the drunks who are too blame?
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 03:37 PM
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13. Hiya Mister Personal Responsibility
Edited on Tue Mar-31-09 03:37 PM by Wednesdays
:hi:

Looks like you took a wrong turn at Albuquerque...and ended up in Granite Cookie Territory.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 02:24 PM
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25. I was supposed to take responsibility in 1973? At the age of 13?
When I was bombarded with Joe the Camel, The Marlboro Man etc. shoving the most additive drug in the world down my throat.

I think not.

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 02:11 PM
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4. Looks like that woman is going to get a stimulus package of her own
and of course her lawyers.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 03:17 PM
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26. Yeah, damn them, those librul welfare queens and trial lawyers,
always oppressing good old all-American entrepreneurship. :eyes:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 02:25 PM
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5. Ah, and it will never disappoint
The flood of legal "experts" here to tell us all what the poor, beleaguered attorneys for Philip Morris should have argued. You will not, of course, see word one about the evidence that was presented (I personally handled and managed the exhibits for this trial), the theory of the defendant's liability (hint: It wasn't product liability), and the general authoritative comments made by people who were never in the courtroom, and don't have the slightest idea about what the jury heard and saw.

Hee, hee, hee!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 02:26 PM
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6. U.S. top court dismisses Philip Morris appeal
Source: BBC




* Tuesday March 31, 2009, 1:03 pm EDT



By James Vicini

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court dismissed an appeal by Altria Group Inc's Philip Morris USA over $79.5 million in punitive damages awarded to the widow of a longtime Oregon smoker.

The top court did not decide the merits of the dispute, but in a one-sentence ruling on Tuesday dismissed the appeal as "improvidently granted." Philip Morris in its appeal argued the Oregon Supreme Court in upholding the award had defied an earlier U.S. Supreme Court ruling in the case.

Altria shares were down about 3 percent at midday following the ruling.

--snip--

Read more: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-top-court-dismisses-Philip-rb-14799427.html



It's about time.

Judge Judy would have settled this long ago.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 02:26 PM
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7. This will really help me when I sue The Coca-Cola Company over my cavities
Still, I can't believe that Bush's SCOTUS didn't let Philip Morris off the hook.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 02:53 PM
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10. I expect a certain amount of compound interest will be payable, too?
Edited on Tue Mar-31-09 02:54 PM by Joe Chi Minh
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 03:05 PM
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11. Judgments in Oregon accrue simple interest at the rate of 9% per annum
Pursuant to ORS 82.010.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 04:16 AM
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21. Shame. It doesn't seem fair. But better than nothing, for sure. I expected it would
be simple. I believe it normally is in our legal system in the UK.
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Old School Liberal Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 03:21 PM
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12. Let's not forget the smokers
It's nice that the widow has closure, and all, but the tobacco companies are just going to charge more to pay for these lawsuits--the poor are going to be the ones paying for it. It isn't going to hurt the CEOs pockets.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 03:41 PM
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14. Yeah, leave the poor tobacco companies alone, and no one gets hurt
Kinda like "The profits corporations make because of deregulation will be passed down to consumers."

Yeah, right. :eyes:
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 05:52 PM
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32. Don't Cry Tears Over the Poor Tobacco Companies.
They have been for years concentrating on overseas sales, especially those from third world countries.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 03:11 PM
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18. "It's nice that the widow has closure"
Uh, she doesn't really have closure. Her husband is still dead. She still woke up that awful day in 1995 listening to his dying gasps as his lungs disintegrated. That's one of those things that kind of stays with you, you know? To this day, Mayola would greatly prefer to have her Jesse with her than all the money in the world.

"Closure." Jesus Christ.
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Old School Liberal Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 01:53 AM
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19. I suppose you're right
Perhaps a couple of Nuremberg-style trials for those responsible would more adequately provide the justice that you seek?
I know what I'm doing each time I take a drag. I don't deserve money for being an idiot.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 07:41 AM
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22. You clearly don't know a thing about the case
Perhaps Lincoln's sage advice would be a good thing to follow here?
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Old School Liberal Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 02:02 PM
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24. Clearly
Yes, clearly if I disagree with you I couldn't possibly know anything.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 03:39 PM
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27. Don’t be shy; dazzle us all with your knowledge of the case!
I’ll give you a few starter questions, and you just take it from there:

1. What was the theory of liability of the case?

2. When did Jesse Williams start smoking?

3. What is federal pre-emption, as applied to cigarettes?

4. When was the first Surgeon General’s report on smoking published?

5. What distinguishing feature did Marlboro cigarettes have when they were first marketed?

6. What was or is INBIFO? How much documentary evidence about INBIFO was introduced at the trial?

7. What application did Campbell v. State Farm have to the verdict?

8. What is comparative fault?

You go right ahead; I can wait. I only hope DU has sufficient bandwidth. {Crosses fingers}
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 02:37 PM
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29. Man, this must be a hum-dinger of a response
I can just feel it . . .
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Old School Liberal Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 04:38 PM
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30. Haha, sorry to disappoint
I do, however, feel a bit meanly about myself for not having the necessary constitution to delve into hours of research to formulate a suitable response. However, I'm no fancy big city lawyer, and my knowledge is indeed limited to the posted article. That being said, I don't feel knowledge of legalistic jargon, which has application for those in the profession, should have any bearing on determining the merits of whether or not a provider of a service has any liability in relation to a customer suffering a common sense consequence of his application of the product. It's been known for ages that tobacco smoking is not the wisest activity to engage in should one wish to avoid an excruciating eventual death. It has been, and is certainly now quite clear: one gains the utility of the instant pleasure that this cigarette provides, and, in turn, increases the probability of cancer and multitudes of other health problems--one weighs the costs and benefits and makes a decision. I know enough depressed people who smoke like chimneys, to them it might even be win-win. Driving a company out of business (the logical consequence of making them liable in these instances) and making an industry no longer viable is essentially the equivalent of outlawing the product. So it boils down to the question of whether you know better than I do over what should be done to my lungs, and whether you should have the right to impede my decision. Look at things on the bright side, I shan't, at this rate, for long be increasing your blood pressure over Big Brother vs. Don't Tread on Me--I'll be gasping for air and lamenting that I had not submitted to your vastly superior wisdom.
Incidentally, the criteria that I failed to meet concerning this response remind me an awful lot of the old literacy tests. Tell me, what separates the need to know the principle of habeas corpus in order to vote to that of needing to understand comparative fault in order to debate the morality of holding tobacco companies liable? As for the rest of it, regardless of the precedent which may or may not have been set, or the potentially ridiculous legislation on the books--the law may very well have been quite clear in favor of the widow, admittedly--it does not change the fact that there may be debate on whether such laws are just. Plenty of my pot smoking friends frequently protest against what they see as an unjust law.
Please be merciful on simple minds such as my own. I still haven't figured out how to use a semicolon, much less debate federal preemption with the likes of you, your lordship.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 05:39 PM
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31. Okay, so you don't know anything about the case
Which is fine, but don't, then, presume to know the legal merits of the case when you don't know what you're talking about. This case has gone from the trial court, to the Oregon Court of Appeals, to the Oregon Supreme Court, to the U.S. Supreme Court, back to the Oregon Court of Appeals, to the Oregon Supreme Court, to the U.S. Supreme Court, back to the Oregon Supreme Court, and now finally turned down by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Considering the folks who have argued and weighed the merits of this case multiple times, it might just be a little trickier than your half-baked Cato Institute dime-store analysis of the posted article, doncha think?
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Old School Liberal Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:01 PM
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33. If you read what I said...
I challenged the very notion you just put forth. The legalistic vagaries do not determine whether or not the laws should be changed, or whether they are just. I never challenged the legality of the ruling--as I am ignorant--simply the rightness of it.
And what's wrong with the Cato Institute? they're a trifle too long-winded for me to look into at any serious level, but they seem like decent reasonable sorts and I'm fond of many of their positions. What possible objection can there be to individual freedom and improved living standards? If you could offer alternatives, I shall seriously consider them. (That twilight between working and graduation can be a drag...speaking of which)
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 05:49 PM
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15. A few comments
It’s just not fair!

Okay, let’s deep six this one right from the get-go. Philip Morris isn’t some poor slob mom-and-pop outfit struggling to stay afloat. They have significant assets, and can hire the best legal representation. I met their attorneys at the time of trial, and now I work for some of them, and they are advocates of the highest standards of professionalism and legal acumen. Philip Morris got its day in court.

Everybody knows tobacco is bad for you

Yeah, and why is that? Certainly not because the tobacco companies were getting the word out. For nearly 60 years, they had a free run in our society, mass-producing cigarettes and marketing them to the general public with every gimmick in the book. Cigarettes are a deadly, addictive product, but that has most definitely not been general public knowledge during most of the time that tobacco companies have been hawking cigarettes.

What about personal responsibility?

This is the crux of the tobacco companies’ argument. Now. But back in the early 1960s, they acknowledged quite freely (privately, amongst themselves, and decidedly not for public knowledge) that personal responsibility for an addict was a fiction. Now, they would like the public to believe that every carton purchased, every package opened, every cigarette tapped out of pack and lit up is an individual, conscious, chosen action.

It’s nonsense, and the tobacco companies know this. Among themselves, they talked about the addictive qualities of nicotine, and the idea that a smoker was personally responsible once he or she was addicted was no longer part of the equation. So they denied that nicotine was addictive for decades. In fact, as late as 1994, the chief executives of every tobacco company appeared before Congress and each and every one of them declared that nicotine was not addictive. The dodge was that they personally didn’t believe nicotine was addictive. Within one year of that testimony every one of those executives had resigned their positions, placing themselves out of reach of contempt and perjury charges.

The tobacco companies knew that an addicted smoker no longer had the element of “choice” in regard to smoking. Yet their program since the mid-1990s has been to appropriate the language of “choice” and “personal responsibility” as if it was present in the decision to smoke once the addiction is formed. Tobacco companies are well aware of the power of addiction, and they know that only a little encouragement is sufficient to keep a smoker smoking. So for decades they ginned up fake controversies about health effects, addiction, marketing, and their own public relations, knowing that smokers would use this as a crutch (and the tobacco companies used that very word – among themselves) to support their addiction.

So, if an addicted smoker is truly to be held personally responsible, what responsibility should inure to the company that creates, aids, and supports that addiction? In case you didn’t know, the smoker in this case was found to be comparatively negligent for his own injury, and the amount of damages was reduced by that percentage. I’ll donate ten bucks to DU if anyone advocating the personal responsibility angle can tell me in the next 24 hours what percentage that was.

I can’t wait to sue for cavities from pop or getting fat from junk food

Good luck with that. Cigarettes are a special case, the tobacco companies having written their own federal exemption from regulation back in the late 1960s when they agreed to terminate advertising from television and radio. That means that they are out of reach of the usual product liability law, because there are no standards for a “safe” cigarette. As with everything connected with the manufacture of cigarettes, this didn’t happen by accident.

The cause of action in this case wasn’t because cigarettes are a deadly, addictive product. The legal theory was that the tobacco companies knew this, counted on it, and yet publicly generated a fake controversy about it. The cause of action was fraud. Soda pop and junk food companies do not publicly deny that their products can lead to tooth decay or obesity.

In order to prevail on an allegation of fraud, several factors must be present. If any of these factors isn’t present, then there has been no fraud. First, the tobacco companies made false claims that nicotine wasn’t addictive, which is the first element of fraud. Second, they knew their claim was false, as shown by their own internal company memoranda. Third, they made the false claim with the intent that the public rely on it. Fourth, significant segments of the public (addicted smokers) did indeed believe their false claims. Fifth, in relying on those false claims, the same segments of the public sustained harm, in this case, serious damage to their health, up to and including death.

But those damages are just out of line!

Certainly Philip Morris thought so, and argued that all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court. Three times. The appellate courts finally decided that due to the extreme reprehensibility of Philip Morris’ actions, a willful campaign of public deception and disinformation that lasted for decades, extreme punishment was warranted. Additionally, the damage done to the smoker (death) was an aggravating factor. The ratio between compensatory and punitive damages was artificially inflated due to the personal circumstances of the decedent. If the decedent had been a 45-year-old heart surgeon, the compensatory losses for future earnings and so forth would have been significantly higher, and the ratio concomitantly lower.

This will raise the price of cigarettes, and be another tax on the poor!

Pardon my French, but bullshit. $79.5 million represents less than two weeks’ worth of earnings for Philip Morris. The rough equivalent would be a $1,200 award against a person making $50,000 a year – a minor hardship at best.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 09:48 PM
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16. Okay, one little . . .
:kick:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:19 AM
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17. Supreme Court rejects Philip Morris appeal of award ($155 Million)
Source: Richmond Times-Dispatch

WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court yesterday threw out Philip Morris USA's appeal of a $79.5 million award to a smoker's widow, ending a 10-year legal fight to keep her from collecting.

In a one-sentence order, the court left in place a ruling by the Oregon Supreme Court in favor of Mayola Williams. The state court repeatedly has upheld a verdict against Henrico County-based Philip Morris in a fraud trial in 1999.

The judgment has grown to more than $155 million with interest. Williams, whose husband died of lung cancer, stands to collect between $60 million and $65 million, before taxes and payments to her lawyers, said Robert Peck, her Washington-based lawyer.

Philip Morris said it would challenge the 60 percent of the payment that would go to the state of Oregon. If it prevails, the company said it would be obligated to pay only the remaining 40 percent of the award to the plaintiff.

Read more: http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/business/agriculture/article/PHIL01_20090331-222208/245676/



Tobacco verdicts
Altria Inc., the parent company of Philip Morris USA, lists these smoking-case verdicts in favor of plaintiffs in the company's latest financial report. Except for the Williams case in Oregon, all the verdicts are under appeal or have been overturned on appeal:

March 1999: Williams case in Oregon, $79.5 million in punitive damages against Philip Morris
July 2000: Engle case in Florida, $145 billion in punitive damages against all defendants, including $74 million against Philip Morris

March 2002: Schwarz case in Oregon, $150 million in punitive damages against Philip Morris

June 2002: Lukacs case in Florida, $37.5 million against all defendants, including Philip Morris
October 2002: Bullock case in California, $28 billion in punitive damages against Philip Morris

May 2004: Scott case in Louisiana, $590 million against all defendants, including Philip Morris

March 2005: Rose case in New York, $17.1 million against Philip Morris

May 2007: Whiteley case in California, $2.5 million in compensatory damages against Philip Morris and another defendant

February 2009: Hess case in Florida (individual case stemming from the Engle class action), $3 million in compensatory damages and $5 million in punitive damages against Philip Morris
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 02:26 AM
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20. Ouch, I feel so bad for those death merchants.
:nopity:

Oh wait. Not.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 08:48 AM
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23. A list of Philip Morris' products can be found here...
http://www.tobacco.org/Resources/00pmbrands.html

It's quite an interesting array of products. Vegemite...Who'd have thunk it?
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 04:17 PM
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28. Holy cr@p!
The shorter list would be what DON'T they own. Depressing...

Good thing I recently decided to start making my own Grape Nuts due to their ASTRONOMICAL cost. I somehow didn't know they were an Altria product.
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