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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 05:03 AM
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Russia shuts off gas to Ukraine
Source: BBC/Europe

Russia has stopped all gas supplies to Ukraine after the collapse of talks to end a row over unpaid bills and prices.

Russia's gas giant Gazprom said it turned off the taps at 0700 GMT, when its contract to supply Ukraine ended.

Ukraine insists it has paid off its debts to Gazprom, but Russia contests this. The two countries have also failed to agree on a price for 2009.

Both Russia and Ukraine insist that gas supplies transported via Ukraine to the European Union will continue as normal.



Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7806870.stm
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 10:22 AM
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1. Energy blackmail.
Russia didn't start complaining about this until the Orange Revolution, when it suddenly came to be a "big deal". :eyes:

Fuck Russia.
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MillieJo Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 10:35 AM
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3. Russia is getting very scary.. far scarier then
America under Bush.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 10:48 AM
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4. naw, they are no different than any US corporation.
as heartless, stubborn and officious, when it comes to late fees and bills.
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TheLastMohican Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 05:47 PM
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25. What are you talking about?
Edited on Fri Jan-09-09 05:50 PM by TheLastMohican
Ukraine has been stealing Russia's gas for 18 years since becoming independent.
That was not an issue because at least on paper Ukraine looked like a friend to Russia.
Now all bets are off and Yuschenko showed with his georgian friend that he is very keen to rattle the boat.

My prediction Russia is set to humiliate both of these "color revolutinaries" and lessen the US impact on the politics of its nearest neighbors.
Putin has a clear note to Yushenko "this is what you get for being a hostile prick".
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 10:34 AM
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2. Russia shuts off gas to EU....but can point the finger at Ukraine
cut off $upply,
increa$e demand

Russians are desperate but I doubt Iranan style anarchy is their destination

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081231231345.l7bg1pg7&show_article=1

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 05:51 PM
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12. No; your title is precisely the opposite of what has happened
The supply to the EU has not been shut off. It said, in the excerpt given in the OP:

"Both Russia and Ukraine insist that gas supplies transported via Ukraine to the European Union will continue as normal. "

Did you not read that? Did you just make up your title in your own mind, and expect the rest of us to believe you?
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Citizen Number 9 Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 11:47 PM
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21. Maybe the poster was clairvoyant.
NOW they appear to be shutting it down.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 07:52 PM
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22. It was obvious. Even a blind man could see that comming
It was as obvious as the threats Russia made against Ukraine for backing Georgia. Putin wants a chunk of Ukraine for basing his fleet. That port control treaty will come into play and "test" Obama.




Georgia Pt II plays out on Obama's watch
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 10:52 AM
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5. This has happened before.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 09:12 AM
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18. It's become a midwinter ritual. Wait til it gets really cold before you shut off the heat.
A very good, if not a tactic I would approve of in my city, strategy for getting money out of customers. We can put this Russian threat on our calendars for 2010. It will happen again.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 11:30 AM
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6. Russian gas supply to Ukraine halted over unpaid bills
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/01/gas-gazprom-ukraine-russia

Russia's gas export monopoly Gazprom halted supply of gas to neighboring Ukraine Thursday, as a dispute over the non-payment of dues could not be resolved through talks between the two entities.

Russian state radio quoted a Gazprom official as saying that shipments through pipelines dedicated to the Ukraine were cut since 10 a.m. local time.

. . .

Talks went to the wire last night, but the two sides could not resolve the debt issue or agree on a new price for gas supplies this year. Miller said: "The debt to Gazprom for gas supplied earlier was not paid. Despite verbal statements from Kiev, Gazprom did not see any money in its account."

Ukraine paid $179.5 per 1,000 cubic metres of gas in 2008. It has refused a Gazprom offer of $250 for the same quantity in 2009, which the Russian company says is half the European market rate.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/01/gas-gazprom-ukraine-russia




Appears gas supplies to EU are fine

http://www.easybourse.com/bourse-actualite/gaz-de-france/france-s-gdf-sees-no-gas-supply-problems-from-russia-dispute-FR0010208488-589629">France's GDF Sees No Gas Supply Problems From Russia Dispute

http://english.mti.hu/default.asp?menu=1&theme=2&cat=25&newsid=258280">No hitch in Hungary's gas supply so far

The EU has decided to sit back and stay out of the dispute

EU avoids early involvement in Russian-Ukrainian row "It is pretty much a Russian-Ukrainian dispute and it has to be solved as such," Topolanek said.

But the US cowboy's its way in saying Russia should restore Ukraine gas, and restore it NOW

The United States on Thursday urged the restoration of normal gas deliveries "We urge both sides to keep in mind the humanitarian implications of any interruption of gas supply in the winter," he said.

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antimatter98 Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 12:12 PM
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7. When Soviet Union fell, we should have bombed Moscow and invaded. Chances lost. n/t
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 02:12 PM
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8. Are you joking or just insane?
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 05:28 PM
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11. Right idea, wrong time....
The ideal time to have gone in was in 1946 right after WWII. Guess General Patton had it right.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 02:13 AM
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16. With what supplies??? We ended up Starving to death POWs do to a lack of Supplies
The US Supply lines were at the end of their length by May 1945, if the Germans had been able to put up any type of defense, the war would have lasted till the Fall (This was actually the Chief of Staff Prediction as late as March 1945). The only reason the Western Allies did as while as they did was the Post-WWII devision of Germany had fallen into Nazi hands during the Battle of the Bulge, and Hitler looked over it and called it a design for future war between the US and the USSR. The German staff, on the other hand, believed that the Allies would NOT attack areas reserved for the Russians so pulled back troops from those areas to face the Russians (To a lesser extent the Germans did the same with troops facing the Western Allies, but by 1945 the Germans feared the Russians more then the west, having lost over 2/3 of their casualties on the Russian Front.

As to the Starving US held prisoners, most starved during the winter of 1945-1946 the winter AFTER the end of the war. Why did their stave? No food to feed them, and since their were POWs they could NOT look for food and their were LAST on the US supply line (The Marshall Plan really did not start till 1946). One of my favorite facts of WWII was that the US Army did a study that the US Army could field up to 267 Divisions without affecting the US War production, the only problem was the US Navy did a Study and said they would only support 100 divisions overseas WITHOUT hurting our allies (Mostly Britain but also the Russians who used US made Trucks in their army well into the 1960s).

By 1945/1946 the European ports were a mess, would take them 2-3 years to get them up to level to support our troops, the Russians had over 500 Divisions (Through mostly horse drawn supplied as opposed to the almost 100% trucks supplied US Army, I use the term Almost supplies we used Mules extensively in both Italy and Burma, the last 100 mules in the US Army was NOT replaced till the late 1950s and then by 20 helicopters, while Helicopters did exist in 1945 not the type that could carry the supplies needed in Mountainous terran, Italy has mule based units to this day for this reason).

Thus in 1945 the Russians had over 500 divisions, compared to the 90 US Army Divisions (and 10 Marine Corp Divisions). Now the US Divisions are larger then the Russian divisions, but this is compensated by the larger number of personal kept at Corp Level, thus both Soviet and US Divisions are approximately 30,000 men each IF YOU INCLUDE CORP LEVEL TROOPS, divided among the Divisions in that Corp.

Now another factor comes into play in regards to the US Army. The US Army during WWII adopted a policy of replacement on the line i.e. as people were killed or wounded they were replaced by people who came in right off the troop ships and into the unit. The US army believed everyone was replaceable by a similar trained person. The problem is just look at the Winner of the Super Bowl and the Winner of the Pro-bowl. As individuals the Pro-bowlers are better players, but can they defeat the Super bowl champions? The Answer is NO, for the Super bowl Champions are a TEAM, the team members work together, they know what each can do and what each person has to do for each other. The pro-bowl team is just 11 men on the field together. They do NOT know each others weaknesses or Strengths, thus they play as 11 individuals and would lose if they play against any team (With maybe the exception of a pee wee team, but even they I have my doubts).

The same problem came up for the US Army in 1945, the US divisions were becoming more and more a collection of Individuals and less like a team do to the replacement on the line. The Germans, the Russians and even the British tended to form units from certain areas and withdrew them from combat if and when new "team members" were added to the Unit (The Union Army did the same thing during the US Civil War, leaving units slowly decline in membership and when finally to same to use the survivals were broken up and used to provide the leadership for new Regiments raised during the Civil War). When German troops surrendered to US Units in 1945, they had a habit of saying the unit they had fought BEFORE the unit their surrendered to had fought harder. When I first read this I dismissed it as German Grandstanding, but after further research I believe the German were telling the truth, the problem was ALL US units in Europe were in rapid decline by April 1945 and thus the German were surrendering to inferior units then their had fought before, but that was how bad ALL the Units were in Decline by that date. The US Army of WWII was NEVER intended to fight for more then a Year ONCE Engaged in Northern Europe. The Year was about up by April 1945 and I suspect NONE of the European Units were anywhere near 100% of what they had been the year before. The same can be said of the Soviet forces, they had seen even harsher combat, but the replacement was done when the Unit was pulled out of the Front, so the unit had time to train with the new replacements, as opposed to the US where the fact the Unit was already in Combat made that impossible. The better solution was the solution used by the Germans and Russians (and the Union Army in the US Civil War) no replacement in line, the unit MUST be withdrawn from combat before such replacements are added (One of the reason for the decline of the US Army in Vietnam was again this replacement on the line, and in Vietnam it was even worse, no one stayed more then a year in any one unit, with Officers only staying six months, the other Six months the officer stayed in Vietnam by during staff work).

As to 1945, we have to remember that the US had superior Air Power, but Russian was NOT densely populated Germany AND Russia had one thing Germany did NOT have, Oil. Thus the Russians would have put up a harder fight then the Germans in regards to the Western Allies. The US had a Fleet, which Moscow did not, but that is important in regards to the Atlantic, North Sea and the Mediterranean. The Black Sea can only be entered via Turkey, and Carriers and Battleships can NOT go through Turkey by treaty (Which the Turks did NOT want to Break given Soviet Forces opposite both its European and Asian Borders).

Furthermore, you are forgetting two important problems, first is the Middle East. Iraq was occupied by Britain in 1941, to secure its Oil Supplies. Iran was jointly occupied by the Soviet Union to the North, and American Forces to the South while technically staying Independent. In 1945 the only troops that mattered (Iraqi troops were viewed as Anti-English, if not pro-Nazi and during the war were put on a diet by the British BELOW what was believed needed to survive, this was to keep them busy looking for food rather then training or plotting to kick out the British) were three British Brigades AND three Soviet Divisions (Remember a Division contains three Brigades or Regiments AND Divisional Support personnel, which the three British Brigades DID not have). In simple term, the British and American Fleet could attack on the edges of the Middle East, but the Soviet Union could have everything between Palestine and Pakistan within three months of any war between the US and the Soviet Union.

The Second problem was Japan, remember we were still at war with them in 1945. The Japanese actions AFTER Letye Gulf is quite clear, to keep US troops occupied in the Philippines for as long as Possible, and hope for the US Soviet War and then offer their services to the Soviets in exchange for Air planes, Oil and Pilots. The Soviet Union had plenty of all three, Japan had almost none by 1945 (The Japanese Kamikaze was more a desperate attempt to get some planes up and at the US Fleet with minimum amount of training, if the Kamikaze pilots had more then a few weeks of training they may have avoided the AAA fire shot at them and actually hit the US Ships).

This brings me to why did the Japanese Surrender on August 15, 1945, when the last Atomic Bombing was over a week before? The answer is unsettling, the Soviet Union had fulfilled its obligations agreed to in Yalta and had invaded Manchuria on the 90th day after the Surrender of Germany. The Atomic Bombing seems to have been rushed to try to get them used BEFORE that date. but occurred at the same time. This brings us to the Question, why did Japan Surrender on August 15th? Was in the Atomic Bombing (The Japanese lost more people in the Tokyo Fire Bomb raid in March then in either of the Two Atomic bombings) OR was it the fact the Soviet Army had, for all practical purposes taken over Manchuria by August 15th and unless Japan Surrender THEN, the Red Army would have reached Korea by September 1, and would have ALL of Korea by October 1st? Remember the only living Japanese politician NOT tied in with the Right Wing WWII Japanese Government was living in an apartment in Moscow (He was the head of the Japanese Communist party, the Right wing of Japan had killed off any other internal opposition in the early 1930s, mostly by assassination).

Now I Concentrate on 1945, for that is the only time the US had the forces needed to Drive the Soviet Forces out of Eastern Europe. By June 1945 we had already started to pull forces out of Europe to be retained in the US and then to be shipped to invade Japan on November 1, 1945 (Operation boxcar). On these troop ships you had riots, where the troops were saying they had done they duty when they fought the Germans, it was time for other Americans to fight the Japanese. Little reported but did reach Truman and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (Truman even asked Herbert Hoover about this and Hoover said this shows problems, cut a deal with the Japanese and get those troops home). Now Truman remember the post-WWI recession and wanted to avoid it at all cost (OR reduce its affect). Thus Truman wanted to slowly discharge the troops so they would be NO huge influx of men into the job market all at the same time. The Russians had learned of British plans for a War with the Russians buy June 1945 and reduced their army in Eastern Europe to 175 Divisions AND put them into defensive positions. The Russians had taken over most, if not all of the German intelligence service by 1945 (and some people believe well before that date) and these elements offered themselves to the US, which gave the Russians some advantages.

Now Patton was a great tactician, but he had a weak understanding the supply problems (In fact the reason Patton great move across France ended when it did was his oil supply had been planed from 1943 onward to come via Brest, but he had left Germans walked into that City as he made his great encirclement in July 1944, those Germans were NOT removed till January 1945, thus Patton ended up using fuel that had been reserved for the British Army in the Invasion plans from 1942 onward (From what I have heard, the plans kept falling into the same problem, how do you get oil to the Tanks? Brest kept coming back as the Answer, and given the German Troops positions in June 1945, Brest was free of all German Troops TILL Patton made his move. The Germans pushed out of Patton's way then retreated into Brest and ordered to stay in that Port City by Hitler himself, it took the US Six months to remove them, a City that had Patton attacked it first would have been taken in hours do to the lack of German Troops defending the City at that time).

Now the US Joint Chiefs of Staff believe that the US would defeat the Soviet Union in any war prior to 1949 (The Soviet exploding an A-Bomb changed the Situation to a no-win war, even through while into the 1950s the Soviet Union did NOT have the Capabilities to hit the US with to many such bombs, the Soviet Union only achieved that capability in the mid 1960s as their expanded their ICBMs). I have always question this, not that the Chief of Staff erred, but what did they mean by "Winning". I believe the US and the Western Allies could have defeated any Soviet attack into Western Europe, do the the ability to use the Fleet to outflank the Soviet Army and the ability to use Britain as a super Aircraft carrier to launch massive Air Attacks over Western Europe. On the other hand BOTH advantages tend to disappear as you cross the Elbe River. While the B-17s and B-24s would reach Berlin (as could British Lancaster) all three bombers were of marginal use against Field Armies (All three had been designed to attack fixed targets, not Mobile targets like tanks). The B-29 had the range to hit Moscow, but the number of B-29s were limited AND any attack on Russia itself from Britain would have been long beyond the range of the P-51 Mustang. Furthermore Russia did NOT have the concentration of Industry that was characteristics of both Germany and Japan, thus conventional bombing was less of a threat (But the A-Bomb was more of a Threat, but the number of A-bombs we had in 1946 was less then five, the threat was real, but of limited affect IF actual combat incurred).

Basically the US and Soviet Union divided Europe about the point where each sides military started to decline. Any Soviet attack on Western Europe could be defeated by the Western Allies, but should could the Soviet Union to any western allies invasion into Eastern Europe. The only exception to this rule was Greece, but even Stalin realized that if you have no fleet you can NOT hold Greece and told his fellow Communists in Yugoslavia and Bulgaria to stop suppling the Greek Communists after 1946 (and this Greece Joined NATO not the Warsaw Pact).

My point is simple, given the situation in May 1945 till while into the 1960s, both the US and the Soviet Union was at extent of where their Armies could go without facing Superior forces. Nato dare NOT go into Eastern Europe and lose the advantages of its Fleet and Air Support, but neither could the Soviet Union invade Western Europe do to the existence of that Fleet and Air Power. Could we have gone to War in 1945 or 1946 with the Soviet Union? Yes but the line would have been drawn sooner or later somewhere about the Elbe River. The Soviet could have been forced from Iraq within a year or two but once across the Soviet Border, having a Fleet and Air Superiority ceased to be a serious factor and again stabilization. As to Japan, it would have fallen to the US sooner or later, but sooner or later the US would have wanted to Control Korea to protect Japan and something like the Korean war would have broken out. The Subsequent Division of Korean MAY have occurred or not occurred, but as soon as US Troops crossed into China (Which was doomed to go communists do to the Nationalists failure to address the economic problems of China even BEFORE the Japanese had invaded) or Russia, a similar situation as to Europe and the Mid-east would have developed. Korea may have stayed 100% free of the Communists (Through the fact it would have been first occupied by the Russians and the Koreans did field an Army during WWII, but it became the heart of the North Korean Army NOT South Korea's Army, and how that army would have affected any US occupation of Korea would be a factor).

There was limited things the US could do come 1945, yes WWII started to prevent Poland from falling to the Nazi, but that war was long over and lost after France fell to the Nazis in 1940, thus by 1945 the war was NO longer to keep Poland Free (that war had been lost) but to defeat Germany even if that meant Expansion of Soviet Power into Eastern Europe. That was achieved by May 1945 and the US did NOT have the ability to do any better in 1945 (and less by 1946 as the Last of the US Troops were demobilized and the US Economy shifted to a post-war Civilian production).
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 05:25 PM
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9. Ah, yes a nuclear war in 1991
That would have been great.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 05:27 PM
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10. Shit is going to hit fan
both have nuclear weapons.

Why does Russia hate Ukraine so much?

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Paula Sims Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 05:52 PM
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13. Russians and Ukrainians have been "at war" since at least 1147
OK, keep in mind I'm writing this from a Ukrainian nationals perspective, but. . .

The area which is now Ukraine was "officially" settled first by the Vikings around what is known today as Kyiv. After everyone started fighting for a seat for power, Yuri Dolgoruki was believed to be the first one to establish a northern seat of unified power called Moscow. Both countries continued to grow & fight.

Fast forward a few years later when Russia really developed it's unified fighting forces and Ukraine was still smarting from the Mongol invasions that the real fighting began, with Russia wanting to take over Ukraine and Ukraine wanting to be what it was and keep the lands it had. Once the Tzars came into power, Ukraine fell under the "Russian yoke" as we like to say and was considered in modern history a "little Sister" to Russia or often equated with Russia.

That's where we Ukrainians get a bit peeved off. We are a separate culture, separate (although Slavic) nation and had the hardest time establishing and maintaining our own identity when Communism fell in the 1990's. One of the first things a dictator does when he takes over a country is to take away its native language; that's how the Russians treated the Ukrainians. Ukrainian came to be known as either a dialect of Russian or the language of the peasants (of which it is neither, it's its own separate language). When Ukraine declared its independence (again), it reinstated Ukrainian as the national language -- to the gnashing of teeth and wailing of those primarily in Eastern Ukraine who spoke only Russian (personal editorial: Schadenfreude here).

So fast forward to the Ukrainian Orange Revolution where it was basically Yuschenko vs Putin (and his cronies) for the Presidency of Ukraine and the people finally stood up and said "Enough"! Sadly, things haven't gone as well as everyone had hoped, and Ukraine has had a hard time developing economically.

Natural gas is being cut off both because of financial reasons and because of nationalistic reasons. Russia wants Ukraine back under its control and we don't want that.

OK, flame away but as I said, this is from the point of view of a Ukrainian National.
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Citizen Number 9 Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 11:43 PM
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20. Aren't you a little afraid
that this disagreement could come to blows?


Are you in or out of the Ukraine now?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 05:54 PM
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14. No; Ukraine has no nuclear weapons
Upon the breakup of the Soviet Union, Ukraine inherited a considerable nuclear potential, in the form of 176 SS-19 and SS-24 intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs; 1,240 warheads) and 44 strategic bombers. In addition, there were an unspecified number of tactical nuclear warheads on its territory. However, in spite of some domestic opposition, Ukraine gradually rid itself of its nuclear weapon inheritance by transferring both tactical and strategic warheads to Russia (the last warheads were transferred by June 1996 in return for Russian compensation in the form of fuel for Ukraine’s nuclear power reactors) and eliminating missiles, missile silos, and strategic bombers on its territory. Ukraine also acceded to the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START I) and joined the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) as non-nuclear weapon state. By January 2002, all strategic bombers on Ukraine’s territory had been either dismantled, transferred to Russia, or converted to non-military use; all ICBMs had been extracted from the silos and either eliminated or disassembled pending elimination; and all ICBM silos had been eliminated.

http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Ukraine/index.html




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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 07:55 PM
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23. But they do want to 'fire up' that nuke plant the EU said they had to shut down
in order to enjoy EU special interest status.

The plant is another Cherynobyl waiting to happen
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 06:23 PM
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15. Two faced
The US has urged Moscow and Kiev to consider the possible humanitarian implications of the supply disruptions.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7807382.stm

Gotta look after the Ukraine but not Gaza with an even greater humitariian crisis. x(
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Citizen Number 9 Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 11:39 PM
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19. I don't think the Ukrainians have been busy firing missiles into
Russia.
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RCinBrooklyn Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 02:17 AM
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17. Souffle's are falling across the country's kitchens.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-09 08:22 PM
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24. If Ukraine wants to be hostile toward Russia, that's what they get.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-09 06:57 PM
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26. Nuclear fears as danger plant is reopened in gas war with Russia
Slovakia fired up that "lawsuit waiting to happen" ex Soviet nuke plant due to Russias belt tightening

Fears were raised yesterday over a decision to restart a potentially dangerous decommissioned nuclear power plant in the centre of Europe because of a shortage of gas caused by Russia’s dispute with Ukraine.

Slovakia, defying undertakings given when it joined the European Union, said that it would reactivate a Soviet-style nuclear generator that has a record of safety problems because it had received no Russian gas since last Thursday.

Russia again found a reason to delay turning the taps back on yesterday, despite an agreement brokered by Mirek Topolanek, the Czech Prime Minister, on behalf of the EU, which was signed by Russian and Ukrainian leaders at the weekend.


snip

Bulgaria has also signalled that it is considering reactivating mothballed Soviet-era reactors because the gas crisis has left them without sufficient energy.

snip

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article5496716.ece


if it all blows up and goes to hell....at least Russia is down wind
if that is the fallout they are looking for, they will get it.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:09 AM
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27. During the mid-70s' "energy crisis" Texas cut off natural gas to North Carolina.
More specifically, the Transcontinental Gas Pipeline Corporation (Transco) of Houston, Texas, cut off gas to NC to protect their biggest customer, New York City. Ironically, Kenny-Boy Lay took the helm of Transco (as president .. Jack Bowen was CEO) a few years later (before Lay founded Enron).
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