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Truth Teller Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 04:38 PM
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WH Wants to See Concessions Before a Bailout
Edited on Tue Dec-16-08 04:38 PM by Truth Teller
Source: ABC News

The White House said a decision on whether to provide an emergency loan to Detroit automakers is not imminent and suggested it's not definite either.

"We're not going to be rushed into it just because there's pressure from the media ... on us to do something rash," White House press secretary Dana Perino said.

Although the White House had recently given strong indications that an automotive bailout was likely, Perino repeatedly used the word "if" today.

"If we're going to use taxpayer financing to assist the automakers, all stakeholders are going to have to come to the table and be willing to show that they are capable and willing to make really tough decisions about the way forward," Perino said.

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Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Business/story?id=6471829&page=1



Just when I thought Chimpy might actually get something right...
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 04:41 PM
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1. I have a looping video of the mind playing:
The CEOs of the Big 3 kneeling, rending their shirts, beating their heads against the floor and wailing, "Vostra culpa, vostra maxima culpa!"
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 06:31 PM
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21. Begging someone to help them dump as much union help as possible.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 04:44 PM
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2. Sounds like the anti-union GOP donors are applying pressure
I really dont want a depression, so I want them to keep the Big3 alive, but a small part of me wouldnt mind seeing Bush get the blame for not preventing a depression when a simple LOAN of $15-30 billion could have prevented it.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 04:57 PM
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4. Exactly
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 06:29 PM
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20. I'm getting so I can predict what these fucks will pull and I was wondering
yesterday when the blackmail would start. Bitch McConnel and Dickhead Shelby were NOT about to let the White House cut them off at the knees. I was amazed that bush** even suggested to help Detroit in the first place.
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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 04:46 PM
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3. "We want you to throw a few more auto workers out on the street before we help you." nt
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 05:00 PM
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5. But Goldman's and AIG and CitiGroup and Wall Street didn't have to make any concessions at all.
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 05:44 PM
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12. But you see....
THOSE companies push paper around thereby pumping INFINITE TONS of net worth into our economy. Auto companies? They simply MAKE things, and in our "modern global economy" who needs to make things anymore...

:sarcasm:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 05:00 PM
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6. WH Wants to See Unions Dead. nt
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 05:12 PM
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7. Feeling's mutual.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 06:18 PM
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14. You made me laugh
I agree..
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 06:27 PM
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19. !
:spray:
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 05:16 PM
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8. The good ol' GOP one-two punch
Shelby, Corker, and DeMint softened 'em up with that first upper cut.

Then comes Bush with the knockout haymaker.

The theatrics are Rovian.

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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 05:18 PM
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9. Let us not rest until Bu*h, Cheney, Rove, etc., are prosecuted, convicted, and imprisoned.
Maybe "Bubba the Lifer" will ask for a few "concessions".
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droidamus2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 05:22 PM
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10. Yeah, sure
So when Bushes buddies on Wall Street need a bailout it was 'we need it now', 'no time to think', 'we're in a crisis!!', 'no controls just the money', 'and Oh by the way make it 700 billion'. When it is the Big 3 Auto companies, read UAW, it is 'well we need time to think', 'lets not rush into anything', 'we're probably going to need lots of controls and concessions (read bread the union)', 'maybe we should just let them fail', and 'well you know 14 Billion dollars is a lot of money to just hand over'. What a bunch of bull!!!!!
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pmdsyr32 Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 05:31 PM
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11. bush is
the worst president in history. and the most corrupt. no strings for wall street but for the american auto. companies all kinds of concessions and strings attached. a real union buster.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 06:08 PM
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13. welcome
Welcome to DU pmdsyr32
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 06:18 PM
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15. voices we aren't hearing
Right wingers completely dominate the media. Their angle now is to call the bridge loan to the auto companies "a UAW bailout."

NPR always includes a hack from AEI or one of the other right wing think tanks, gives them an enormous amount of air time, and let's them speak unchallenged. On the auto industry issue, a guy from one of those think tanks had hos way for 2 hours.

"Why should tax payers bailout the UAW workers, who are making more than most of the taxpayers themselves are?"

"Why should UAW workers make more than the prevailing wages?"

Doing a Google search, the results are all dominated by this crap:

"No UAW Bailout"

"Michelle Malkin » House passes UAW bailout"

"No UAW Bailout. By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY"

"ABC News: Is Bailout Possible Without UAW Concessions?"

"Amazon.com: Its really a UAW bailout, not a Detroit 3 bailout"

"BostonHerald.com - No UAW Bailout."

"Bailout Watch 155: $25b for UAW | The Truth About Cars"

"Michelle Malkin » No TARP money for UAW bailout: It’s illegal"

"Democrats Want UAW Bailout"

"Carmakers need Delta Model, Not UAW Bailout"

Necessity is the Mother of Revolution

Since Bush took the driver’s seat every component in the engine of commerce has broken down. Mounting budget deficits, escalating trade deficits, and now as the crash approaches his sidekick filibusters in the rumble seat have developed an attention deficit.

Four million manufacturing jobs were wiped out in the last eight years. Inflation is up, foreclosures are up, unemployment is up, consumer debt is up, and the limbaughs want to hold up a loan to the domestic auto industry on the hopes they can bust the union. Somebody throw a drink in their bloated faces.

The legacy burden of Republican administration has brought the elephant to its knees. A mercy killing is in order.

Republicans want UAW retirees to take a haircut on health care. We already have a Mohawk. The VEBA is only worth about 60% of the liability.

On top of that, active workers gave up a dollar an hour in 2005 to pay for the VEBA. Add in the Cost of Living Adjustments diverted to health care and the average worker is sacrificing about $5 grand a year for retiree health care.

The big sticking point for retirees is that we already paid for our health care. Why should we have to pay again? Perhaps if we compare deferred compensation to property our Republican friends will respect our rights.

A thirty year mortgage paid off, or a retirement plan built on thirty years of labor. What’s the difference?

I paid off a thirty year mortgage. I persevered through tough times and made extra payments in good times.

I worked thirty years in exchange for a pension and health care in retirement. I paid my time and one’s time is the most valuable thing on earth.

I have a contract. I have a mortgage. I lived up to my end of the agreement. By what perverse twist of logic do Republicans think I should now pay more, or give up what I earned entirely?

I am burned up. I hope the Republicans do kill the auto loan. It will be a hell of a peg to hang their party hat on and a Christmas that small businesses and retailers will never forget. The name Corker will become a curse word, a proverbial spittoon.

What I look forward to most is the backlash. With millions of workers unemployed, the Republicans may very well hand us the revolution we’ve been waiting for. Men without work take to the streets. We’ll soon find out if the NRA took its stand in defense of the nation or the arms merchants. Either way, necessity is the mother of revolution. I can easily envision hundreds of thousands of UAW retirees marching on Washington and demanding national health care.

Hell yeah. I look forward to it.


Letter: Investing class vs. the workers

by The Saginaw News
Tuesday December 16, 2008, 10:37 AM

Editor, The News:

Did we actually expect the capitalists to bone up for their own gambling losses?

Investment banks, mortgage companies and insurers are not required to show a business plan to prove themselves worthy of government loans. No one ever examined the pay and benefits of the pencil pushers before approving the government purchase of "toxic assets." This is a culture war. The investing class vs. the working class. It's done by outsourcing jobs.

GM already has more plants overseas than in the U.S. GM wants the government to help them take advantage of the current disaster by accelerating plant closures in the U.S.

At one time, the amount of dealerships selling cars was a sign of economic strength and market saturation. Now GM wants to eliminate dealers and their hundreds of thousands of employees. GM and Ford are prepared to import small fuel efficient vehicles in 2010. They want to use the bailout to close factories, shrink unions and lean on dealers.

The main target in this shakedown is legacy cost -- the deferred compensation owed to retirees in pension and health insurance. Some of our capitalist friends don't believe in honoring contracts. Trust is a nonrenewable resource. Rather than preserve it, conservative Republicans are determined to poison the well, once and for all.

At this stage there is very little that workers and retirees can control. Our only consolation is that we are all in the same leaky boat. Instead of mounting a campaign to defend all workers, UAW leaders hold tight to corporate apron strings and wave white hankies. We must fend for ourselves as best we can. We can point out where the real fat is: UAW appointees. We can't afford the luxury of paying UAW appointees to twiddle thumbs while workers are forced to double up.

Politically, we can easily turn the argument around. The government is too deep in debt. We can demand that pensions and health care for retired members of Congress and the Senate be revoked. If Congress isn't willing to support the deferred compensation earned by retirees, taxpayers shouldn't support the retirement of senators and members of Congress.


Disgruntled Autoworker # 49

Walking Bull's-eyes

The latest round of attrition packages, or early retirement and buy-out packages, are on the table throughout the corporation. GM has upped the ante from $35,000 to $45,000 for those eligible to retire now, special provisions for those eligible within the next four years, with benefits and pensions, $70,000 for those with less than ten years of service who agree to cut all ties, and $140,000 for those with ten to twenty five years seniority if they agree to cut all ties except vested pensions. According to a recent Detroit Free Press article, GM would like those interested in a package to be gone by July 1st.

This is the fourth early retirement and buy-out offer since my former employer, GM Baltimore, announced it will permanently close its door on May 13, 2005. I could have taken any of the previous early retirement offers, or the current one, but my reasons for not doing so are personal; however, I will offer these few insights. I've had to transfer four times to acquire 31.5 years of seniority; and not once did I get the big money to transfer. GM's relocation allowance wasn't available in the early eighties when I moved from the shuttered bearing plant in Bristol, CT to the assembly plant in Framingham, MA. And all I got when that plant closed in the late eighties was enough to pay the first and last month's rent with enough left over to rent a u-haul when I relocated to the Baltimore, MD assembly plant. Then a hundred and fifty of my coworkers and I got screwed out of relocation allowances when we were forced to the Wilmington, DE assembly plant in August of 06. I'm only 55; so I would have to get a part time job to make ends meet since my income will be instantly reduced by almost two thirds. The way I see it is, if I have to work for anything less than $15.00 an hour to supplement my retirement, I'd be better off staying right where I am making $28.00 an hour, duh. So no, I am not taking a retirement package. "I'm going down with the ship," as they say.

This is just my story; there are literally hundreds of similar, or more dramatic or horrific stories in the Wilmington plant, and thousands of others throughout the corporation that autoworkers are faced with when considering their options to walk away with cash in hand. Another Free Press article touted the successes of a few autoworkers' who took previous early retirement or buy-out packages. I say good for them, but like Todd Jordan of www.futureoftheunion.com website recently said, "For every positive story the press writes about, there are ten negative ones."

The most perplexing is the feeling of remorse we've been hearing so much about lately from those who took the early retirement packages. Some didn't anticipate the escalating out of pocket expenses of their health care benefits, or that their pension checks wouldn't be as adequate as they had hoped, or a part time job fell through, or they were hit with an expensive home or car repair, or they find themselves taking on the added expense of raising grandchildren, or a son or daughter unexpectedly returns home, or they hadn't anticipated the effects the sub prime mortgage crises would have on the economy, or how rising fuel prices would effect the cost of everything under the sun. These are just some of the very real and scary stories that have us contemplating our options. We don't want to end up regretting we retired to soon too, and then end up beating on GM's door a couple months later demanding our jobs back.

Over the last few years, and with the UAW's International Executive Board's (IEB) approval, GM eliminated a majority of the good jobs senior members looked forward to in their waning years. Now they're forced to work the assembly line their entire careers. Also with the IEB's approval, the majority of the line jobs are so overworked everyone, even lower seniority workers, go home feeling beat up at the end of the shift. With this latest attrition round it becomes obvious that GM and the IEB's intent is to work us to death in an effort to force all of us into accepting one of the attrition packages.

Pressure on all employees, especially on seniors to retire or take an early retirement package is a bit more intense during this round than it was in the previous rounds. In the Wilmington plant for instance, third shift is expected to be eliminated at the end of March due to lack luster sales, which means between 400 and 600 employees will be laid off. Rumors immediately began to circulate that if enough senior employees took the early retirements, no one would be laid off, thus Union Officials and their Mgt counterparts, who I believe are behind the rumors, perpetuate an atmosphere of disdain and loathing between employees, a tool they've successfully used to manipulate and control the workforce for over twenty years.

Every union member throughout the corporation is now a walking target, especially those eligible to retire, or accept early retirement packages. Some low seniority workers and some in Mgt are making off the cuff remarks about senior members in front of others in an effort to embarrass or humiliate them into accepting a package. This reminds me of a line I recently heard during the presidential campaigns, I don't know who said it but it goes, "You will not embarrass or humiliate me without my permission." In other words, I will retire when I'm damn good and ready, and not because of something someone says or does. What low seniority workers and those in Mgt need to remember is that the target will shift to them eventually. Once GM's done attacking all union workers wages and benefits, they'll set their sights on their own, but stop short of those who should be targeted, the ones responsible for mismanaging GM.

So now the question is, should we stay and tough it out or leave with cash in hand while the getting is good? Rumors abound that this buy out offer is the last one, but that's what was said about previous offers, and if it is the last one, oh well. My guess is if GM doesn't get the numbers it wants during this round, which is at least half of its workforce, another offer will come along. I believe GM will take a chapter out of Steve "The Hatchet" Miller's phony bankruptcy playbook and continue to offer retirement and buy-out packages until new hire second tier workers out number first tier senior workers. Then like the mass rape The Hatchet orchestrated at Delphi, GM will pit new hires against those who are left in the 2011 round of contract negotiations, if not sooner, which will ultimately reduce all workers wages and benefits to second tier status.

UAW President Gettelfinger and his IEB henchmen sanctioned the rape at Delphi, and now this attempted wholesale rape of its entire membership by their Joint Corporate Partners throughout the auto industry. Gettelfinger and his Partners claim members are willing participants and therefore not raped because they ratified this agreement, but truth be told, the membership isn't allow to monitor ratification vote results like local elections, which casts a cloud of suspicion on all agreements entered into by the IEB and the Corporations since the early eighties when Joint Partnerships were formed.

The recent strike at American Axel Manufacturing is another example of a profitable corporation with its hand out demanding the IEB give them the same deal they gave GM, Ford and Chrysler. The IEB opened this can of worms and now everybody wants a piece. It won't end until all autoworkers are Delphied and can't afford the products we make. It would be in all of our own best interest to tell GM to take this offer and shove it. If the corporations are serious about buying us out then they had better up the ante a whole lot more than what is on the table now. They can afford it. All they'd have to do is stop investing the billions we've earned them overseas and cut exuberant executive salaries here at home.

Gettelfinger and the IEB should be charged with treason for partnering with the corporations and sanctioning the rape of its own membership, but the likelihood of that happening shrinks with each round of buy-outs that eliminate more and more first tier workers. The membership needs to take a stand and stop targeting each other and instead set their sights on the traitors in Solidarity House who are selling us out. If we do nothing, we could end up like Bethlehem Steel workers who've lost everything and now find themselves working for Wal-Mart wages for the rest of their lives.

In Solidarity, Doug Hanscom


We’ve Earned Respect and a Decent Contract!

American autoworkers are getting bludgeoned with threats and blackmail. When one contract grants concessions, it puts pressure on the next to continue the downward trend. Do we have to accept the spiral to third world labor standards? No!

While over the last thirty years productivity has shot up 85%, wages (taking inflation into account) have declined eight percent. Someone else is reaping the fruits of our labor. AAM is very profitable. Upper management has received outrageous bonuses.

The American auto industry isn’t moving out of the country. It's moving from union to non-union. American Axle bought an empty plant in Oxford, MI. near MSP, one of its $14 an hour plants, moved machinery from Detroit Forge and Tonawanda and started hiring at $10. They threatened to move machinery in Three Rivers to a nearby empty plant. They want to make us feel that it's hopeless to fight back, that there is nothing we can do. But that's not true.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 06:23 PM
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17. more voices
Diary of an American Worker

1976: 12 years old and I am off to work in the fields detassling. I got to work for a week before the heat got to me. The group leader allowed us to sit on the bus for 1 "round" through the fields without pay. A couple of older kids on the bus messed around and dumped Kool-aid into the water jug. We all got fired for it. $2.00 an hour seemed like SO much back then! The following years I got into better crews and detassled until the year after I graduated. This also allowed me to make connections with farmers. Days spent detassling, nights spend baling hay and shoveling corn. This was the way we were taught to chase the American dream. Work hard, Play harder, and move your way up the pay scale by being a good worker.

1981: My decision to go to a junior college after graduation made me decide to something that I regret now, but seemed to be the correct thing at the time. I was on the football team for 3 years, but decided to work my senior year to save up for school and to buy a better car. Looking back, I realize how much I missed during my senior year. I worked at a grocery store stocking shelves and bagging groceries. Since the other workers were on sports teams at their school, I had to work all the game and dance nights. But I DID pay my way through college and got away from the $250 beater I was driving.

1982: I graduated high school! Finally I can start my life! I joined the ranks of young adults going to college. After 3 years of part-time jobs and study, I received an Associate in Business, a Data Processing certificate, and am well on my way to an Associate in Drafting Technology.

1984: While finishing my schooling, I worked at Nibco. They made gate valves for large oil and water companies. $6.25 is a good wage for a single guy. The problem is that after 9 months of working there, the doors closed.

I started work at a plastic factory named Ronningen Research. Working on trimming parts, I worked up to operating simple machines. I even got a chance at working in the Computer Aided Design station. Life was good. $5.00 an hour and a tiny bit of insurance, although I never used it. The Steel Workers Union tried to organize, and after the failed attempt, I got let go. Seems that if you didn't shout against the Union, they assumed you were for it! At the time, I didn't know enough about it to choose either way so I remained silent.

I moved on to a small plastic factory in my hometown. $5.00 an hour and hot, dry, hard work. But I did have time to play softball, where I met my future wife. Money was short, times were rough, but I was young enough that I didn't notice it! Health insurance? I was young and didn't feel that I NEEDED to worry about that! Talk about naive.

1987: I worked in a small factory named Shadow Interior that provided padded items for Coachmen R.V. I ran the woodshop and was treated fairly by those that ran the plant. The money was decent, the people friendly, the work challenging. I had just gotten married and was trying to move up the ladder financially so I could provide my wife and I a home for our future children. Times were trying, but we got by. Health care was there if we TRULY need it for life and death situations, as long as we were willing to drain our small savings account to cover it.

1988: I got an opportunity to move into a position doing drafting work for Coachmen R.V. It seems they paid the factory's bills and payroll. While we were trying to find ways to make better product and increase efficiency, some of the people in Management had gotten my name from the supervisor at Shadow Interior. I had gone to college for the drafting degree and was just THRILLED to be working in the field I had studied. The money was about the same as before, but I planned on going back to college to complete my training. The job was good, the money decent, the people even friendlier, and once again Health care was there as long as my savings could cover the large deductible. The hours were sort of long, and my drive to work was close to an hour each way. I spent 12-14 hours a day either on my way to work or at work.

1989: My wife and I discussed buying a house, but our incomes wouldn't support it. We barely afforded the 2-room apartment we lived in. I wanted to return to college to earn an engineering degree, but didn't have the money or time. 12-14 hour days don't allow you time to return to college while you work. As we tossed options back and forth, we decided that I would join the Army to make use of the college fund. After talking to Human Resources at Coachmen, I decided to take a military leave of absence and join. My wife and I had been married all of a year and a half, so leaving was rough on both of us. But as training went on we both coped the best we could. Training was rough, but it provided the satisfaction you get from testing your limits and finding you are capable of more that you thought. As an added benefit, I had gone into Basic at 245 lbs and 7 weeks later I was a slim trim 185. My wife picked me up from the airport before I went to Advanced Training and she walked by me twice before she read my nametag and recognized me!

Three years in the army went by fast. I got stuck in Fort Polk, LA. We went to the field 9-10 months out of a year. My confidence grew in leaps and bounds as my friends and I met challenge after challenge. My wife's confidence grew as she was forced to live alone most of each year. The money was decent, the job was demanding, the people were almost like family, and Health care for ME was great. Any time I got sick or injured the doctors worked hard to get me back to work! For my wife, Health care was so-so. She had some problems that the doctors weren't interested in. We had decided to try to have children after 2 years of marriage and it hadn't happened yet. She went to a few doctors but they did minimal testing and seemed puzzled.

1991 After leaving the Army, I returned to Coachmen R.V. They had computerized all the drafting and engineering areas. I had to return to the assembly floor while I waited for an opening in engineering. This turned out to be good for me as I learned more about how a unit went together. A few months later, I got the chance to move into my old job, but boy had it changed. Before I had been a draftsman. Now my responsibilities were closer to a junior engineer. I no longer drew up plans to things designed by engineers; I was actually responsible for light design work. I was thrilled to work. I spent time in their Viking pop-up camper plant doing design work and working closely with service and purchasing departments. We set up computer systems and did the I.T. work ourselves. When the finance department got a new computer, we all read the manuals and set things up. I was having the time of my life. The work was demanding and varied, the money was good, and the Health care good, and the people were great. Things changed and I returned to Coachmen R.V. to do engineering work. The design work was demanding and I worked long hours again, but was moving up the corporate ladder (or so I thought) but the hours didn't allow me to return to college as I hoped. The money was there but not the time. We had our first child in 1994 and were desperate to move up in our lives.

1996: I was offered a job at American Axle and Manufacturing. After 6 months of testing I finally got the job. I was back on the shop floor, working 2nd shift. The job was physically demanding, mentally empty, and rough. I had somehow found my way back up in weight to around 230 lbs. But the thing I enjoyed about this job was the way management spoke of working together. When challenges arose they talked things over with the teams that did the work. We came up with ways to improve our work area, our efficiency, our quality, etc. Every time you talked to them, WE had ownership of our work area. This filled in the missing mental challenge from my last job. I had taken the job because it offered more money with the opportunity to move up the financial ladder. I finally felt I could afford to purchase a house. We bought a small modular home, put it on a basement on land given to us by my parents and were FINALLY living the American dream. We even bought a new car after 2 years. Nothing fancy, but new! We budgeted our money and actually started saving. The Health care was great! We were on an HMO and paid only small co-pays. The only downside was the hours. I was stuck on 2nd shift for 7 years. In the mean time, we had our second child in 1998.

As time passed, things at American Axle started to become strained. The bosses weren't asking our advice any more. We were forced to do things that didn't make much sense. We knew from our experience what wouldn't work, but they had a high turnover of middle management and they insisted on retrying projects that were tried and failed before. Then we went through a "lean-operations" period. Nothing was sacred as they slashed jobs to spread us thin. We had gone from producing 18000 parts a day on 2 shifts to producing less than 12000 parts a day on 3 shifts all in the name of efficiency. 1 person was expected to run 2 or 3 jobs and our production went down. Management insisted it was because we refused to RUN between jobs, but the jobs could only be run 1 after another. Where before we did one job, checked all our quality on our job and spot checked the jobs before us, now we didn't have the time to check our quality if we were to get the numbers out that management wanted. Those of us that insisted on making all our quality checks were labeled as troublemakers. We were accused of slowing down production. Management started making bad calls on quality, and for the first time since AAM started our quality dropped. In 2006 we actually got put on business hold for the quality problems we were having. People became frustrated as the mantra of the day became "NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS". Some bosses insisted that they didn't worry about quality as long as they got their number for the day. We tried to explain that making 100 parts and having 20 bad parts was worse than making 80 parts and making sure they were good, but they weren't listening.

Management stopped calling our quality department out, making the calls themselves to save time. Many people stopped caring, stating that it didn't matter. The believed management would cover for the lost quality since they were the ones deciding on numbers. But whenever quality got bad enough, they would write up or walk out a worker. Trust between management and workers was broken. We worked our tails off for over a year and finally got off business hold. Improvements were made to processes to help keep our quality up, but once again they slowed the process down. Facing lower numbers again, management started making decisions to bypass the improvements to speed us up. Today we are fighting with management to use the improvements that brought us out of business hold. The numbers are STILL more important to them than running quality parts.

2008 UPDATE:

We are on strike.



It seems that the company we have worked so hard for and made profits for over 14 years (12 years for me) has invested most of that money overseas and in Mexico. Now we are faced with a 60% cut in pay, reduction of benefits, and elimination of most of our rights and rules. We were threatened that they could move everything out of the country if we didn't comply. I have worked long and hard to get to where I am. We have taken pay freezes for the past 8 years, watched as our benefits were slowly cut year by year, and now are being dealt the final blow. Our pay is almost non-existent; our benefits are barely covering anything unless it is an emergency. I compare my strike pay and benefits to my 1st year of work and they are about the same. The sad thing is, the offer he made us is no better than the strike pay I am receiving! The reward for our loyalty and diligence in improving AAM's efficiency, quality, and profitability seems to be a swift kick in the pants. 6 weeks into this mess and they STILL insists it is their way or the highway.

The one bright spot in this is the support shown to our Union by thousands of caring people in the community around us. We are receiving help from hundreds of miles away, getting messages daily from around the country, and our membership is becoming closer every day. We have become a family and are watching our spirits soar while watching a movement in America that shows the caring of people when they recognize oppression.

We are standing strong and resolve to continue this fight as long as necessary. Win or lose, at least we can say at the end of the day that our heads were held high. We may be beaten, but will never give up.



THAT folks is the American Spirit.


My job before the UAW

In the early 80's, I worked a nonunion plant, where working conditions were horrible. Workers were harrassed by supervisors who would give you a difficult time over such things as a nice pair of pants or new boots, or would harrass younger workers because they looked better than they did. They'd put them on backbreaking jobs meant for a person with more weight behind them. For workers that clocked in at five minutes till the hour they would come to your work station wanting to know why you weren't there at 10 till. When a worker was fired they would send a telegram by cab delivery, to let you know your services were no longer needed. They would dispose of chemicals in the natural water stream that flowed in back of the factory, which also ran behind restaurants in the area. When OSHA showed up for inspections they would move full size vans, with tinted windows to the back of the building, load chemicals into them, and when OSHA left the chemicals were carried back into the factory. Chemicals were also disposed of in some of the bathrooms, the same place where hands were washed, and some people developed skin rashes and the like. Proper training was no facilitated, and we were instead thrown on a job and told to figure it out at times. Rarely were safety glasses worn, nor were face coverings provided when dealing with dangerous chemicals. If a chemical spilled workers cleaned it up, and if injured were taken to a med center and straight back to work. Co-workers with disabilities or health issues were not hired, and if so, were expected to the same amount of work or fired, and if health problems were obvious they would be fired within the first two weeks. People of color were not hired, and when applications were turned in from such people, they were thrown out. Civil Rights filed a law suit, and they were then forced to hire indiscriminately.

The whole time I worked at the nonunion plant I had a headache, and severe sinus problems from the lack of proper ventilation, chemicals not kept in proper containers, and overexposure to dangerous cancer-causing inhalants. There were no guards on machines, and I saw coworkers fingers taken off, for which they got no reimbursement. Workers that performed buffing jobs, went home looking like they'd walked out of a coal mine, and some of them, when tested, (after the UAW took effect) had traces of metal in their blood system. Because of this situation, we called the UAW. The UAW provided meetings to explain to the membership why we needed a union. They then provided the minority of the workforce who showed up for the meeting union t shirts, with vote yes on them, and union buttons which we wore inside the nonunion plant. We posted letters saying it was our right to organize a union at our plant and we could not be fired for that, yet, we were harassed by management, but never fired.

The company hired union busters out of new york who would be hired and infiltrate themselves into the membership for the purpose of creating fear against voting yes. After the union was voted in they were gone. Then we voted for our local leadership, and voted for negotiating commitee, who then went in and negotiated our new UAW contract, of which I was one. We didn't get everything the membership wanted, but we tried and really hard. We spent more time arguing over language than addressing issues, so the negotiations were drawn out. And then we had a membership that didn't totally understand what negotiations were all about and were asking for stuff like halloween off, and orange juice machines. We were trying to get the major stuff like a pay raise, like major holidays, like vacation time, a safe work environment, which we were successful in doing, but we had to concede things, like not as much of a pay raise to get holidays. The UAW forced them to make a safe work environment and really got the workforce what was fair. With each contract the UAW helped us to build on what we had originally gotten, including more pay, holidays and the like. It was a slow process, since we had started out at minimum wage, but with some dedicated people, who believed in what they doing that workforce succeeded in becoming a skilled, trained workforce, striving toward a fair wage.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 06:27 PM
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18. more...

Hell No! We Won’t Go!



We will turn out the lights for you, Mr. Wagoner, Mr. Mulally
and Mr. Nardelli, when you leave.

We are going to ride this mule into the ground!

WANT TO TEMPT US?

Two years severance

$15,000 credit on a vehicle of our choice (no exceptions)

Two years full tuition to a community college of our choice for every member of our family regardless of age.

To buy the rest of our lives from our families and us, this is cheap at twice the price.

No GM, Ford or Chrysler worker should consider the buyouts being offered by Ron Gettelfinger and his cooperation partners at GM, Ford and Chrysler while the country is in recession. The cost of living, the real cost of living, is approaching 6%, may be even more. Anyone taking a pension check now could see the value of that pension check shrink by over 14% over the life of the current contracts.

ECONOMICS OF A BUYOUT AND RETIREMENT

“I’ll retire and get a part-time job.” Why would you want a part-time job at $10.00 per hour when you get $28.00 now?

Pension Check – If you simply work through this contract, your lifetime pension check will have increased $215.00 per month or more. That may not sound like much, but when you have been retired for a couple years, it will make a difference, in light of the fact that the UAW would never negotiate COLA on pensions.

Social Security checks, which do have COLA, only increased 2.1%

Hell No! We Won’t Go!

The turn around plan concocted by the UAW, GM, Ford and Chrysler is about nothing more or less than getting rid of you without regard for the economic well-being of you and your family. All of the turn around plans are over a year old and have resulted in nothing but more financial loss and loss of market share, in share, in spite of over 80,000 plus workers ‘cleansed’ from the BIG 3 since the 2005 contract.

If Ron Gettelfinger wants to help GM, Ford and Chrysler as he stated when he was awarded “Man of the Year,” then rather than sacrificing you, the middle class industrial worker, he might think of putting his foot in their corporate asses to make and sell more vehicles and end these endless costly recalls.

Quality, Real Job Security

For 22 years, the UAW has had joint quality programs with GM, Ford and Chrysler. That started when Owen Bieber was president of the UAW.

The Result?

Loss of market share every year. Recalls whose numbers are unimaginable. In 2004 GM made and sold less than 5 million vehicles in the U.S. but recalled 10.4 million.

The joint quality programs are the largest, most expensive and dysfunctional programs in American manufacturing history. Anyone working in them should hang their head in shame!

Every concession contract since 1987 and the buyouts you and those before you were offered are the direct result of two things.

Gross culpable mismanagement

Galactic failure of the joint quality programs to do their job.

Hell No! We Won’t Go!

GM, Ford and Chrysler are not going anywhere, at least for the life of the current contract. So, do yourself and your family a favor. Stay until this contract ends. Let Ron Gettelfinger and his joint quality programs help and/or save GM, Ford and Chrysler. Your job is only to do your job, and if you don’t believe that, read this!

The right to hire; promote; discharge or discipline for cause; and to maintain discipline and efficiency of employees, is the sole responsibility of the Corporation except that Union members shall not be discriminated against as such. In addition, the products to be manufactured, the location of the plants, the schedules of production, the methods, processes and means of manufacturing are solely and exclusively the responsibility of the Corporation.

Agreement between UAW and the General Motors Corporation, September 18, 2003 (Effective October 6, 2003). Page 13

All the Big 3 contracts have this language and have had it for 40 years. It is the corporations and the UAW who have failed you, not globalization, foreign competition or any of the other excuses people who don’t do their jobs give.

Hell No We Won’t Go!



We will ride this mule into the ground!


What the #$%^@#$%^& is going on?

This is NOT what I want to hear from my union. As a retiree I expected better. MUCH better.

Somehow, some way, International has GOT to get serious about bargaining for the rank and file. The last thing I want to hear from my union (former union??) is sympathy for the company. It started with Bieber!!!! this blathering about being team players and working together and you know what? Cal, we haven't had a decent contract since!!!!!

All of these Quality Network , Team Concept, and the other flavor of the day-ism's have done only one thing. RUINED THE UAW. You folks have got to WAKE UP. These joint programs are nothing more than a way to emasculate the union! I have been preaching this to the choir for 25+ years THEY can't beat us at the negotiating table so they try something new,ie: Joint programs, make the UAW leadership feel all warm and fuzzy so they will agree with our problems. Cal, I don't need you to represent the COMPANY man... I need to to represent ME.......ME, MAN, the dues paying rank and filer!!! that's who y'all work for NOT GM.....now lets get back in there and tell em there ain't no @#$%^& contract without fully paid health care by the company or the government NOT the union. Once you go along with this dumb assed VEBA idea the Automakers have NO incentive to help us win national health care. NONE. and what is this anti union crap Gettlefinger is spewing about two tier system for new hires? Where is the Solidarity in THAT Cal??? I have never been more angry with a union in my 66 years. NEVER. You men are NOT doing a good enough job! Get some backbone my brother!!! GM is NOT going to go out of business over health care costs, they are going to go out of business because they don't want to fire their own incompetents! GM is going to go WITH FORD and CHRYSLER to Washington and demand relief from Bush and Co. IF you keep holding their feet to the fire, The International UAW has apparently decided to sell out the rank and file out of fear of losing the union. Cal tell me when concessions ever saved a company here in America? You can not name ONE. No Chrysler went into trouble a second time and was rescued by Daimler. NEVER Cal, that's when! Do you really think Bushie is going to let GM or FORD go belly up? It ain't gonna happen Man.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 06:21 PM
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16. Here's your concessions.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 06:40 PM
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22. Go ahead, W. Be the guy in history who bailed out the Wall Street
banks for trillions, but denied the auto industry 15 billion. How can your legacy be much worse anyway?
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 06:43 PM
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23. Well that's a large step back from what they've been saying previously
A two-faced dick 'till the end.
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mascarax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 07:11 PM
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24. But no problem "rushing into it" for the banks, right?
Edited on Tue Dec-16-08 07:12 PM by mascarax
Cuz that certainly wasn't "something rash"...with NO oversight.

George, why didn't you just stay home and try to do something for this country instead of deciding to do your little "victory tour" in a country where they absolutely despise you...too? And throw shows, the worst insult. (Oh, right, you refused to acknowledge that it WAS an insult. As you're such a culturally aware guy.)
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 07:31 PM
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25. Pressure from the media??? God, George you dingbat...pressure from
the American people? The working families? The middle class? the working poor? The retired, the disabled? God, what an evil man he is.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 07:50 PM
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26. This is almost tragic farce
Assuming your taxation to be a function of income - if UAW wages were reduced then government income from taxation would reduce too.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-16-08 09:39 PM
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27. Sounds like Big 3 must present a get-well plan as collateral before receiving a hand-out.n/t
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