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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 10:13 AM
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Dichter blasts extremists in Rabin speech
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 10:15 AM by DogPoundPup
Source: UPI

TEL AVIV, Israel, Nov. 10 (UPI) -- Israeli's internal security minister says right-wing Jewish extremism remains a threat 13 years after the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.

Avi Dichter, speaking Monday at a rally at Achva College in southern Israel commemorating Rabin's assassination by a Jewish extremist, said the notion that "a Jew (wouldn't) murder a prime minister was assassinated in November of 1995," Ynetnews.com reported.

Dichter blasted extremist rhetoric, saying it leads to violence and murder. He cited a senior rabbi who compared last month's riots in the Israeli city of Acre to the anti-Jewish pogrom of Kristallnacht in 1938 Germany, saying such statements were dangerous and must be stopped, Ynetnews.com said.

"This is a red light compelling us to understand where the borders are and which lines must not be crossed. Because words create an atmosphere," Dichter said.

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Further information here...http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1024412.html
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 10:22 AM
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1. hate speech does not just incite violence against the oppressed
it may incite preemptive violence against the would-be oppressors.

It's very dangerous, and there is a test for it, and here's the test:

Answer this question. What outcome do you expect if you were to have your way without opposition?

If the answer is changing the profile of rights given to your citizens based on some notional idea of their belief, or sexual practice, or cultural affiliation, then it's hate speech, and it doesn't require violence.

And yes, that IS what that implies for Islam and Mormonism as well, and not forgetting about ANY religious or cultural group that wants to disenfranchise other citizens of their rights, no matter how peacefully.

Technically, Prop 8 was hate speech too using that bar.

If I were going to apply this further, I would say that a religion may "hate" whomever they want, but acting on that hate in any way, including attempting to change the law to take away rights, should be punishable in civil and criminal courts.


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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 10:39 AM
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2. Now THAT'S the Israel that I like.
Take down those pious bastards who would shit on peace because of their interpretation of religion.

A buddy of mine who served in the IDF gave me stories about the religious fanatics trying to recruit him. Gave me chills.
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 10:42 AM
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3. Change is OBAMA
:applause:
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