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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:12 AM
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Bush Orders DOJ to Probe Ohio Voter Registrations
Source: The Public Record

George W. Bush late Friday asked Attorney General Michael Mukasey to investigate whether hundreds of thousands of newly registered voters in the battleground state of Ohio would have to verify the information on their voter registration forms or be given provisional ballots, an issue the U.S. Supreme Court weighed in on last week.

The unprecedented intervention by the White House less than two weeks before the presidential election may result in at least 200,000 voters in Ohio not being able to vote on Election Day if they are forced to provide additional identification when they head to the polls.

House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, sent a letter to Bush Friday asking that he order the Department of Justice to probe the matter.

“I strongly urge you to direct Attorney General Mukasey and the Department of Justice to act." Boehner said in his letter “Unless action is taken by the Department immediately, thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands of names whose information has not been verified through the procedures mandated by Congress will remain on the voter rolls during the November 4 election; and there is a significant risk if not a certainty, that unlawful votes will be cast and counted. Given the Election Day is less than two weeks away, immediate action by the Department is not only warranted, but also crucial.”
Independent studies have shown that phony registrations rarely result in illegally cast ballots because there are so many other safeguards built into the system.

Read more: http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/426-bush-orders-to-doj-to-probe-ohio-voter-registrations.html
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:13 AM
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1. The republican mantra:
If you can't win, cheat.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:35 AM
Response to Reply #1
29. Surely THIS Is Impeachable?
Come on, Nancy, set the table! We are hungry for JUSTICE!
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:11 AM
Response to Reply #29
89. A little late, don't you think?
All of this shit could have been avoided.
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dglow Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #89
119. Never too late to impeach!
Starting impeachment proceedings before Bush leaves office is very important. It would prevent Bush from giving his criminal buddies blanket pardons as he leaves office. The Constitution stipulates that a president may not use his power to pardon if undergoing impeachment.

Email Pelosi and Conyers to demand they act.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #119
176. Absolutely correct!
As soon as the elections are over the same effort put into getting Obama elected MUST be put into getting impeachment hearings started if we want to see any justice at all and if we do not want to see a repeat of this pardoning the criminals so they can do it again later scenario.

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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #119
205. Absolutely correct. They need to do it, but I won't hold my breath
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #119
249. Agreed!
Impeach immediately.

Then off to the Hague for criminal trial.

Our courts can't handle it.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #249
257. absolutely!
It might build a bit of goodwill from those who are going to have to float our new currency.

I suspect it will be a partially commodity backed currency. Gold reserves, Silver, Platinum, Natural Gas are all possible repositories of value.
It is possible that property might be part of the hard value reserve as well.

I think Bush might also be a valuable example for other criminals.
Greenspan was amazed that markets require a moral hazard to sustain themselves.
Can we turn Greenspan, Rove, and Cheney over to them as well?

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JPettus Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:46 AM
Response to Reply #257
264. As far as I can tell
Greenspan's only failing was incompetence: he believed that institutions would police themselves. Dumb bastard. And the last I saw, incompetence wasn't impeachable (though it should be, IMO)

Now, Rove, Cheney, Gonzo, Miers, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz et al should definitely be tried along with Bush and spend the bulk of their remaining years in prison as a reminder to those who think they work for themselves rather than their constituents.

Just my two cents, of course.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 04:35 AM
Response to Reply #264
268. Tom Tommorow's commentary on the comic genius of Alan Greenspan.


My vote would be to send them all to trial. They have no strategic intelligence value.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:50 AM
Response to Reply #119
265. Now that is brilliant!!!!
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:54 AM
Response to Reply #119
266. No, the Constitution says the President cant pardon an impeachment conviction.
Article 2

Section 2

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #119
276. Maybe too late to impeach, for he'll be out of office, but not to late
to charge him with treason. And in the case of W, poetic justice almost demands the death penalty for that crime.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #89
242. Never too late to hold criminals accountable.
I say we arrest these fuckers.

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #29
135. With respect it's too late. The neocon nazi's are not going to give up power w/o a huge
fight. They won't allow any impeachments. We need a plan.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #135
177. It's absolutely NOT too late!
All we need is impeachment hearings started and all the criminals to be part of the investigation, then Bush cannot pardon before he leaves office. It makes no difference if he is actually impeached or not, just that the hearings started from what I understand.

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CADEMOCRAT7 Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #177
236. I agree, We need to contact Boxer and Pelosi right after the election. Give it one last try !
Bush can not get away with it ALL. I am sure Obama's legal team is on this one, he can not do this.
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #1
44. Contacting the White House


Mailing Address

The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500


Phone Numbers

Comments: 202-456-1111
Switchboard: 202-456-1414
FAX: 202-456-2461

TTY/TDD

Comments: 202-456-6213
Visitors Office: 202-456-2121
E-Mail
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ScaryBob Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. So much for the fabric of democratic society...
... I hate to be skeptical, but phoning or writing the White House is a waste of time. Bush has nothing to lose and his party has everything to gain.
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #46
49. I know What about the Attorney General, or the Supreme Court
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 09:08 AM by Heather MC
Isn't this a violation of election laws, in an election year?
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #49
214. Yes unconstitutional, elections are state matters, Obama campaign needs to bring in front of
the Supreme Court immediately!!!
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Larry L. Burks Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #49
253. The 90 Day Rule?????
There is a Federal law that stats that it is illegal to remove voters from the registered voters list " 90 "Days before the election.

To do so would be a Felony.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #46
103. And he can't read.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #44
87. lol
No doubt that whatever has been sent there these past 8 years, in protest of anything this Commander in Thief has done, has gone straight into the round file.
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #1
61. Or close yourself off so tight no reality can break through.
Re: that CInicinnati Examiner story which is now gone......endorsing mccain for president with his "DEEP EXPERIENCE" I have tried to register for their blog and called 3 different phone numbers to refute their claims..CAN"T GET THROUGH!
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #1
90. And if you can't cheat, steal. n/t
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:14 AM
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2. One. No doubt Bush is trying to suprress the vote Two. Everyone who
goes to the polls is suppose to carry ID, anyway. It shouldn't be a problem.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:48 AM
Response to Reply #2
14. Here in NY we don't have to show anything.
My mother who never missed a chance to vote, doesn't drive. If she all of sudden had to show proof of who she was, she couldn't do it without costing her both time and money.

I know a lot of people who don't have formal piece of ID. If they rent, they wouldn't even have an electric bill.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #14
24. Here in Maine, it's against the law to ask for ID.
Go figure.
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #24
38. Here in New Jersey you walk into your polling place, they check for your name in their book
you sign next to your name and you vote.

There is not now nor has there EVER been any of the fictional massive voter fraud the Republicans continually use as an excuse to disenfranchise and suppress Americans' right to vote.

The Republican Party in continuing to follow this anti-democratic course of winning elections by denying voters their most basic constitutional right, the right to VOTE, are showing their true nature, and that nature is of the party of the few, the party of fascist dictators.

This is what Democrats like Schumer and Boxer get for supporting a rank partisan like Mukasey for Attorney General. They may just as well have kept Ashcroft or Gonzales.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #38
41. We don't even have to sign.
They put a check mark next to your name to show that you voted.
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #41
42. The wife and I always joke about poll workers doubling as handwriting experts. n/t
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #41
143. that's the way they do it, too in my small CT town
You have to show ID when you register but after that, you just show up.
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #38
48. Here in Oregon we vote by mail and this is the only way to go! n/a
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #38
122. That's how it works here in Pennsylvania.
At least in my precinct.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #38
138. That's what we do in New York.
Works wonderfully well. But then, our levers have never switched a vote to a Republican.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #38
162. That's the way it used to be here, but alas thinks have changed.
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #38
204. Here, just west of St Louis, Mo

I get a voter card in the mail from my election office - I go to the polling place
show the card - they look for my name in their voters book - I sign next to my printed
name- and then I vote. Never been asked for a dricers lic in 32 years. (Wentzville, Mo, USA)
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JFreitas Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #24
282. WOW!!!
I am speechless.... here in Portugal we have to show both ID (could be driver's license or ID card, provided it's got a picture on it) as well as a special voting card! When you turn 18, you can go and ask for one of these. In Portugal "voter registration drives" consists of convincing young adults to get their ID cards and head for a special registration place where they get an election card made to their name after about an hour of bureaucratic hassle.

At the voting station, they first check whether your name is in the book, then they check it against your election card (to see whether all info is correct) while a third guy checks your ID from some additional identity card or driver's license. A voting table is administered by a few people, randomly drawn from the population (it's hard to get out of election duties) and headed by a few registered party members. That is, each table has to have about 3 people from different parties supervising the whole thing. For example, should a blind voter show up, he'll be shown to the voting table by, for instance, a member of the Communist Party and a member of the Social Democrat party, and they'll fill in the election bulletin for him. As for people who lose their IDs or election cards, there are all sorts of ways for them to still vote, PROVIDED their names are in the electoral books. They can bring witnesses to their identity and so forth.

Plys, we vote on sundays. There was a funny article today in one of our main newspapers (Diário de Notícias) in the manner of a fak anthropology or ethnology article. "Last week we talked to you about the quaint habits of the inhabitants of the Lakufillik Islands, who can only visit the Faroe Islands once per semester on an odd day, next week we'll talk about Mayan cough medicines in the jungle, but today, the strange and antiquated habits of a nation which votes on tuesdays, because it said so in some 19thc entury harvest calendar!". It was funny as hell.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #14
56. In WI the last time I had to show an ID and proof of residence was when I registered in 1972.
I've never had to show any ID since, even when I went to vote early at my City Clerk's office on 6 October.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #56
145. same here-moved to CT in '86 and that was first/last time I showed ID
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #2
57. It's illegal to require voters to show identification in my state.
Not everybody has a driver's license. And in Ohio, showing one's driver's license isn't enough now. This is all about requiring people to have the exact same information on all their documentation. In other words, if you recently moved and haven't changed your driver's license to match your voter registration, you can't vote. If your social security number is still registered to another address, you can't vote. By the way, have you changed your social security information lately? It takes about a day of waiting in line. Not everybody can take a vacation day to stand in line for a full day to change the address on their social security number.

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #57
105. Didn't even know anything about changing address for Social Security Number!!
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #57
155. There's an address associated with an SSN?
Wow, mine is OLD, hasn't been updated since I was a kid.

And what are they doing using SSNs in the first place? Their use has grown wildly beyond the original legal limits. It's now something new that the government can use to track you and, through its screw-ups or intentionally, deny you your rights.
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 06:07 AM
Response to Reply #155
272. When you file taxes to the IRS the SS# address is updated.
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #272
278. Thanks
Ah, taxes, yet another place where the government grew the SSN beyond its intentions. This is why I don't want a national ID card like they're trying, one step closer to a "Papers, please" society.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #57
196. No not in Georgia. I've always had to show I.D.
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:03 AM
Response to Reply #196
262. Yes, lots of black Dems to disenfranchise. n/t
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Steelworker In OH Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 05:38 AM
Response to Reply #57
269. Actually
I voted in the primary's just fine with my Drivers License having my old address on it. All they used it for was to verify my name next to a picture. I can use my work ID if I really want. I still take with me copies of recent utility bills and such just in case I get a jerk at the polls, but so far no problems. Maybe my district isn't so strict. (Findlay, Ohio)
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #2
95. And it will take a lot of time on a busy election day to verify all these IDs
with the info the poll workers have. Eventually, people will get tired of waiting and turn away.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #2
166. in NC
i gave my name address and birthdate. no ID required.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #2
178. No, it IS a problem. A HUGE problem.
If they are allowed to ask for voter IDs then they may also be able to have criteria that it is an EXACT match with your registration. So if your middle initial is on one but not the other, oops, provisional ballot for you, which will never get counted. If you are Bob on your driver's license but Robert on your voter registration, oops, you've been disenfranchised.

Your claim is the same as saying so what if they eavesdrop, I've got nothing to hide.

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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #2
191. I'm surprised by how many states don't require ID
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #191
229. Why should I have to show ID?
This isn't (well, wasn't, once) a country where someone could "ask you for your papers".
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 08:16 AM
Response to Reply #229
274. Uhmm. This isn't about showing papers. It is done in Mass. to
prevent someone else showing up at the polls and voting as me. Now, I have never seen anyone ever spot checked for ID at ant polling place in Mass. but the law is there to prevent me from hopping around and voting as anyone I may feel like at the time.
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #2
197. In Wisconsin, if you are already registered you needn't show anything.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #2
209. In Ohio, a utility bill can serve as identification.
I actually used one the first time after the law was implemented - the pollworkers hadn't been trained to deal with anything other than driver's licenses other more formal forms of identification.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #2
258. In Illinois, we have to show a picture ID for early voting, but no ID is required
on election day. Don't know why, but those are the rules.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:16 AM
Response to Original message
3. Fine. Let the DOJ go before the SC.
Matters not.

The SC will make the same finding as before.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #3
60. No, they won't. The SC struck down the earlier case because it wasn't brought by an authorized part
If the DOJ steps in, I don't think that the Supreme Court can stop them. This is outright fraud.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #60
81. But, they can rule against the new suit & the court will do it

Five to four.

And, I am not so sure Mukasey will want to put himself in this trap - if this backfires he could get himself into serious legal trouble with a new Democratic ruled administration. Don't forget, even if they steal Ohio, Obama will still most likely win. They are stealing Ohio, in the hopes they will win other states, but some of the other states McCain needs aren't dictated by Republican cheating.

I will do whatever I can to protest and spread the word.

I AM FUCKING PISSED.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #81
106. Looking forward to Mukasey being terminated in January.
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #81
198. Ohio has a Dem governor and Sec. State
If they can do it here, they can do it anywhere. If they can set precedent before the election, all bets are off.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #198
227. That's WHY they're doing it;
they've been so far unsuccessful against OH Sec. State, and, as usual, 'dramatic' moves being made in OH.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #60
173. What standing does the DOJ have in this matter?
There has been no crime committed by anyone. Brunner is in compliance with HAVA.

And I don't believe the DOJ can force Brunner to turn over voter registration lists that the Pukes want to cage without a SC fight.






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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:17 AM
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4. "Unlawful votes". There's a new concept.
The constant threat of "unlawful voters" sneaking into the voting booth must drive these "lawmakers" nuts.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:47 AM
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79. The funny thing is that it is hard to get people to vote legitimately.
Yet there is a 100% illegitimate turnout?

:rofl:
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:58 AM
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131. "Unlawful voters" = minorities
In repuke code, "unlawful voters" are black, poor, elderly, disabled, and anyone highly unlikely to vote Republican.
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:00 PM
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200. Only if they happen to be democrats
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:21 AM
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5. So now, the crime goes all the way to Bush without Plausible Deniability. n/t
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:58 AM
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109. It started with Bush in 2000
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:24 AM
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6. They're going to try to disenfranchise millions of us.
We need to act NOW. We cannot let this shit happen again.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:39 AM
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72. They already have, how well do you think the census counts poor people?
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:19 PM
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146. must be what "we've got 'em where we want 'em" means in McSame speak
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 03:21 PM
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193. My Take on those words, exactly!! n/t
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:26 AM
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7. I hope the Dem. Party is ready to take this on. Even if O doesn't need Ohio, the Dem. Party needs..
needs to get straight what is allowed or not, what is legal or not. It may matter in 2012.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:42 AM
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11. The Obama/Biden campaign will have election officials at every polling place in Missouri.
i was phone banking last night and was amazed at how sharp these young people are.

they leave no stone unturned.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:00 AM
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43. Boy, am I glad to hear that! MO is pretty important. nt
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #11
78. Well since the GOP in MO is already playing games that is good to hear
But will it be enough?
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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:05 AM
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47. fuck that.....
we need to get ohio fixed, this is total bullshit.


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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:27 AM
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8. Is this even legal?
Wouldn't this be the jurisdiction of the state government? Gov. Strickland should tell Dubya to take a flying fuck.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:07 AM
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50. HAVA probably gives them rights of intrusion.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:38 PM
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152. Can we repeal HAVA in toto?
Can we repeal every fucking line of Bush legislation for the last 7+ years?
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:47 AM
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100. It would be great if legallity still mattered, but it doesn't
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:36 AM
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9. I knew the appointment of Mukasey
would turn out bad. Democrats should have held their ground on his approval. So Bush still runs the DOJ as with Gonzales.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:41 AM
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10. Bushitler we will not allow your cheating Mukasey or no Mukasey.
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:45 AM
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12. How about investigating vote flipping in four states?
eom
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:14 AM
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54. I've not heard a peep about that.
And I'm still waiting to hear about one single case where a GOP vote was switched to Democratic or something else.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:46 AM
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13. Coups have consequences
In 2000, Janet Reno would not intervene on behalf of defrauded Florida voters, mainly black, fearing that fighting for them would cause a backlash, among other things.

The illegitimate usurper who sits there in large part bey defrauding of black voters will pre-empt the votes of hundreds of thousands, to fight against their basic right and prolong the Coup.

The consequences of not fighting back for whatever the reason only teaches the aggressor to do what the squeamish dared not.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:48 AM
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15. Can he do that after the Supreme Court ruling?
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:55 AM
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16. Yes, he can.
The supreme court threw the case out because the Ohio GOP had no standing and stated that only the US DOJ can bring the lawsuit.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:37 AM
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30. What I understood was the Supreme Court
ruled on it. Here it is.
<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27238980/>
High court rejects GOP in Ohio voting dispute

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court sided Friday with Ohio's top elections official in a dispute with the state Republican Party over voter registrations.

The justices overruled a federal appeals court that had ordered Ohio's top elections official to do more to help counties verify voter eligibility.
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:43 AM
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36. Yes, but they didn't throw the case out "with prejudice"
and only threw it out for "lack of standing" meaning the Ohio GOP was not the right party to bring the lawsuit. Which leaves the door open for the "right party", i.e. US DOJ to bring the same lawsuit for consideration.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 11:30 AM
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277. They didn't throw it out! They handed down a ruling.
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:56 AM
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17. Archibald Cox moment for Mukasey. Will he seize it? n/t
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:57 AM
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18. republicans hate mickey mouse
If mickey mouse shows up to vote, bush and the republicans will be waiting for him.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:13 AM
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19. well that doesn't sound good...
seems like they are trying to set up another Supreme Court selected presidency.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:14 AM
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20. Oh Bush
You and your cabal are going down this year. Strickland isn't in charge of Ohio.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:25 AM
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23. Did you mean Blackwell?
I am not sure how this story relates to Governor Strickland
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:23 AM
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21. Do it Mukasey, and watch yourself get impeached for breaking the law.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:24 AM
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22. What will the DOJ do?
With an existing decision from the Supreme Court already made on this case - will the DOJ act? What can the Obma campaign do? Is there any way we can apply public pressure to shame these bastards out of this obviously political stunt?

The POTUS is a POS.
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trueblue2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 05:35 PM
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216. If I was the Ohion Secretary of State...I'd ignore the Attorney General.
What if Jennifer said NO.
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:31 AM
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25. So will this be the reason used to stop the election?
For a lame duck * still has a lot of clout with his hundreds of signing statements and nasty little directives. All those "illegal" voters make a great excuse to declare martial law.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:31 AM
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26. So, this time W wants to steal Ohio from the inside...nm
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:32 AM
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27. Can martial law be far behind?
This is one last Screw You to the American public.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:08 AM
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52. I wouldn't put it past them.
I'm sure it's been discussed.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:33 AM
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28. I've got three words to say to this: Un Fucking Believable
By hook or by crook. Crook seems to be in fashion these days.

If they win an election legitimately, it's OK with them.
If they win an election by fraud, it's OK with them.

Just about the only thing that is NOT OK with them is that we win an election legitimately.

I'm thinking they have completely forgotten (or deliberately discarded) the concept of
a legitimate election that they lose.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:37 AM
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31. This is how they are going to steal this election
bu$h will declare the election illegal because of "fraudulent voter registration"

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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:39 AM
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32. Hey Bushler, stay out of Ohio
You're not needed or wanted here.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:39 AM
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33. this is so political it's not funny
Blatantly trying to steal the election. Funny how this didn't break until today.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:45 AM
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39. Good thing for us the blogs don't go into sleep mode on weekends.
We have got to burn up the tubes with this till it's white hot by Monday.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:40 AM
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34. Get the pitchforks ready and gas up the car. NEVER AGAIN
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:42 AM
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35. The Republicans do not want you to vote in Ohio
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 08:47 AM by jimshoes
They are trying to disenfranchise 200,000 Ohioans through the courts. I think there is an ad in here somewhere.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:44 AM
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37. It Doesn't Surprise Me
It makes me sick to my stomach. The neocons are just plain evil.
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:47 AM
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40. Bush, who has been hiding in the White House for months orders the DOJ to probe this?
This is just one more reason why we should have done ANYTHING necessary to force Bush's whore, Pelosi, to impeach this jerk.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:01 AM
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110. Word to San Franciscans:
Vote Pelosi out. We could have been rid of this tyrant (Bush) two years ago.
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #110
157. I truly hope San Franciscans heed your advice. n/t
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:25 PM
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206. yeah, elect a Republican
that would be a lot better. :sarcasm:
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 05:57 PM
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220. How about simply electing a real Democrat instead of a traitorous whore like Pelosi?
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:43 PM
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237. we never had the VOTES to impeach
and believe me we would not be in the favorable position we are today if we had wasted resources in this effort.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:58 PM
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251. That's utter bullshit.


This 'never had the votes' meme sickens me. Anyone who spouts it needs remedial civics lessons.
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 06:41 AM
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273. By that line of reasoning no trial would ever be held
No one can know for certain whether any jury will convict until the evidence is presented. In the case of Bush/Cheney and the criminal conspiracy they ran as government the evidence would have been OVERWHELMING. Impeachment and criminal prosecution would have followed.

AND IT WAS PELOSI'S CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY.

As Joe Fields posted above me, the idea that you don't impeach unless you're completely certain you have the votes is utter bullshit.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:50 PM
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250. whoever voted for Pelosi DID vote republican. They just didn't know it.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:04 AM
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45. I posted two weeks ago: STAND BY FOR MAJOR OUTRAGES B-4 11/4!
Here it is. Right on time. Just like a Swiss railroad. But mark my word: THERE ARE MORE OUTRAGES TO COME!

Verb-fucking-Sap!
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:29 AM
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66. You're right.
Obama has enough of a lead that the election theft would be more obvious than in 2000 or 2004. I was hoping that this would dissuade them from another coup but it looks like it won't. They'll nead to steal more than just one Florida or Ohio this year.

If Obama does win I hope he won't pull a Clinton and just forget about what Republicans have done in the past.
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:26 AM
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97. Ever seen an Alaskan riot?
1971. Vietnam. Summer of Love over; activism in vogue.

Hubby, me and a bunch of other hippies decided a sit-in at our school was in order. 2/3 of the 1500+ student body participated.

First, the other side pulled a "fire drill" - alarms and all. Trucks showed up.

It was 40 below zero, but we all went nicely outside like the good teachers said to do.

After 10 minutes, most of us without coats or hats, the repuke administration decided it might be wise to let us back into the building.

Where we promptly sat back down.

They tossed most of us out on a 3-day suspension.

And lost accreditation for the entire quarter because so many of us were "absent".

Then they gave us what we wanted - no "long hair" rules, and girls could wear slacks or jeans instead of skirts. Yep. 40 below zero and we had to wear skirts.

We can be as fucking mean as the rest of the world; sometimes we just have to be sneakier.

DON'T TRY TO STEAL THIS FUCKING ELECTION, MORANS, OR YOU WILL PAY IN SPADES. :mad::mad::mad:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:08 AM
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51. Bush & the DOJ... no reason to suspect political malfeasance there.
:sarcasm:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:00 AM
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83. Is it even legal for Bush to send DoJ into Ohio in this way?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #83
116. Any other time, I wouldn't think so. This close to an election, and with the history of Bush's DOJ?
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 11:12 AM by redqueen
:shrug:

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:51 PM
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158. Why are they trying to take Ohio again when other states
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 12:52 PM by sfexpat2000
are in Republican hands? The Ohio SOS is a Dem and so is the governor?

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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #158
207. that's why
They can't count on state officials to do the job for them.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:25 PM
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232. She stood up and set a precedent. If THIS gets overturned the rest are fair game.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:25 PM
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233. She stood up and set a precedent. If THIS gets overturned the rest are fair game.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:10 AM
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53. Disgusting!
Hope this makes your day Miss "Impeachment Is Off The Table" Pelosi.

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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:14 AM
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55. So is this how the Republicans are going to steal yet one more election? Obama and the Dem's need t...
Lawyer up and fight this for all it is worth.

I am afraid that if this goes in front of the SCOTUS, it will side with Bush, as it did in the 2000 election.

After all, we know for a fact that some of the Supreme Court justices are nothing more than Republican hacks wearing black dresses.
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PaulRevere08 Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:17 AM
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58. The Democratic Leadership in Congress MUST stand up to this!
They need to be on every program this weekend denouncing this and then get back to Washington. They have to be prepared to fight harder to defend this election than those who would steal it. Cinch up the chin strap and get into the fray. NOW!!
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:18 AM
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59. I can only hope it isn't a close election.
Because if it was.. we'd be dead. So even if we won hands down like in 2000... but it was close, the Republicans can make their win legal.

Which is why we need people to flood the polling booth Nov 4th. I sure hope though that if there are that many people voting, everyone who can vote is allowed to. Not have the polling places close with still a line at the door. That might turn violent wouldn't you think?
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Bushies gotta go Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:24 AM
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62. every freaking time....
... I see stories like this, it energizes me to go back to work more hours at the campaign to elect our next Prez.... Barack Obama....
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:25 AM
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63. How long would a DOJ investigation take?
Certainly more than 2 weeks.

Are they trying to postpone the election?

Also, I wonder what 200,000 votes translate into as a percentage in Ohio and does that spread really matter? I would even argue you could even use 150,000 as a basis.








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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #63
175. It was the difference between a Kerry win in 2004
around 180,000 votes.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:26 AM
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64. In (one of, if not THE) the most technologically advanced country
of the world, this entire voting "system" (or "non-system") is a crying SHAME...

HOPE the Obama/Biden Presidency/Vice-Presidency WILL "push" to "modernize" it, but I won't hold my breath.

Hint: Look At How Canadians VOTE...
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bottomofthehill Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:27 AM
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65. Why would anyone here think.........
That this administration, that got in to power by NOT counting every vote would look at this any differently on the way out!

Thank the Little Baby Jesus that the Shrub is almost gone.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:29 AM
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67. BUSH IS RIGHT WING SCUM !! HE'S NOT MY PRESIDENT !! FUCK HIM !!
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dglow Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #67
121. BUSH IS NO ONE'S PRESIDENT!
IN 2000 GW AND HIS CRIME SYNDICATE TOOK CONTROL OF OUR GOVERNMENT THROUGH A SILENT COUP ASSISTED BY A TREASONOUS SUPREME COURT. IN 2004, THIS CABAL STOLE THE ELECTION BY DISINFRANCHISING VOTERS AND MANIPULATED ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES AND TABULATORS IN OHIO AND ELSEWHERE. GEORGE BUSH WAS NEVER ELECTED. HE IS A DICTATOR, NOT A PRESIDENT.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:39 PM
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190. We know this.
(No need to shout).. The question is, "What do we do now"?
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:59 PM
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260. that is absolutely correct. nt
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Abugface Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:32 AM
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68. Putting your faith in the Supreme is naive ...
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 09:34 AM by Abugface
there is no guarantee the court will do the right thing - it has failed us plenty of times in the past. This election fraud needs to be stopped now with thousands of letters and emails to the MSM. It needs to become front page news and turned into an embarrassment for the Republicans. The Republicans will stop at NOTHING to steal this election; they are not a political party, they are a political mafia engaging in unlawful acts throughout the country while the Bush-Cheney Justice Department turns a blind eye or worse. These criminal thugs must be exposed for what they are, a national criminal organization attempting to destroy democracy in America. Their criminal acts need to become front page news in every newspaper in the country and throughout the world. If they succeed, they will have carried a out a de facto coup d’état.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:19 PM
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185. Ironically, I have less faith in the corporate media as an institution to do the right thing than I
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 02:21 PM by Uncle Joe
do the Supreme Court.

While in 2000 the Supreme Court legalized the coup, it would never have been that close, if the corporate media hadn't waged a relentless almost two year war of slander and libel against Al Gore prior to the selection while giving Bush a free pass.

I'm certainly not excusing it but the Supreme Court's betrayal against the American People's interest and will was done swiftly under some pressure, whereas the corporate media bore false witness in one form or another virtually everyday non-stop over a prolonged period of time against a man supremely qualified for the job. They literally brain washed a sizable percent of the American People with their non-stop propaganda against his credibility.

I believe this is because the inconvenient truth being the corporate media only view the American People as their customers to be sold a product or down the river, the corporations paying for their commercials are their clients and thus warrant the corporate media's ultimate allegiance. Al Gore by championing opening up the Internet for the American People earned the corporate media's undying wrath as this increasingly empowered the American People with an end around or through the one way corporate media filter. This increasingly weakened the corporate media's monopolistic hold on mass information with the result of sapping some of their power, influence and the money that goes with it.

In short, the corporate media, free press, fourth estate, guardian watchdogs for democracy as an institution betrayed the American People's best interest by denying them, their rightful leader because that leader worked to empower the people and it just happened to come at the expense of the corporate media. To me, the corporate media as an institution is more dysfunctional and less trustworthy than the Supreme Court, and I still haven't heard any apologies from the corporate media to this day.

I'm not arguing against your suggestion about writing letters to them, I just don't have any faith in the corporate media to do the right thing because I believe, they believe their interests and that of the people aren't the same thing.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:34 AM
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69. Blame Nancy Pelosi.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:35 AM
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71. WTF?
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:46 AM
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76. Yep. Not only did she refuse to initiate impeachment proceedings against this criminal fuck, but
SHE ANNOUNCED THAT NOTHING HE COULD DO WOULD BE IMPEACHABLE. It was off the table...


She has given him permission to continue to ride roughshod over the constitution and our democracy.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:04 AM
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85. COMPLICATED THOUGH ! There was NO WAY they would have had the votes to oust him. Would have been a
big distraction in a year where the focus had to be on campaigning for Dems and getting them elected so we can reverse the damage of BUSH-THE-DOUCHEBAG. Don't worry. We'll get our revenge at the polls in 10 days. And Bush is going down in history as among the top 3 or so WORST presidents in all American history, perhaps THE worst and certainly among the most despised ! Also, when he dies he will be judged. Lean back and rest assured that this ASSHOLE will be sitting in a big hot iron pot of boiling water as demons dance around it while he burns for all eternity. And the DEVIL Cheney and the rest of their right wing scumbag henchmen along with him.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:09 AM
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115. It's not too late to impeach the SOB, and more important than ever to do so.
If he's under impeachment, he can't pardon the whole criminal conspiracy that has moved the US from the "Good Guys" column to the "Right-Wing Dictatorship" column.

If we don't impeach him, we're stuck with an indelible stain-- that we condoned his theft of the Presidency, his prosecution of the needless war in Iraq (mass murder), and his approval of torture.

Even if it's too late to get a conviction, we need to present articles of impeachment.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:00 PM
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133. As much as I hate W
There weren't and aren't the votes to impeach - period. Worse yet, bogging the congress down in a cathartic put pointless exercise would have only created problems for this election. As it stands now, we are poised to pick up a butt load of seats. All the better to advance a progressive agenda that will shape the next couple of decades. I'll take health care reform, exiting Iraq, and the re-regulation of - well -EVERYTHING over satisfying my need for vengeance.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:57 PM
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161. FOCUS ON WINNING THE ELECTION AND BEATING R'S. IMPEACHMENT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!
Would be nice, BUT AINT HAPPENING, SO GET OVER IT AND TAKE YOUR REVENGE AT THE VOTING BOOTH, AND WORK TO GET OTHERS TO DO THE SAME !!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:37 PM
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245. Holding criminals accountable is revenge?
NT!

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #85
244. Boy, it's a good thing the courts don't listen to you.
Such cowardly advice - might not win, so let the criminals walk.

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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #76
182. Exactly right. Even if she didn't intend to impeach, she shouldn't have shown them her hand.
It is EXTREMELY important that impeachment hearings are started before Bush leaves office in order to rid him of his ability to pardon.

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #71
243. She failed to uphold her oath.
NT!

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Neurotica Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:35 AM
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70. Remember the Harpers expose - "None Dare Call It Stolen" re Ohio 2004
I was just reading excerpts to my son. He's following the election in Ohio for a civics project. What a civics lesson!

The problem the last time was the lack of attention by the press and public. We need a broad and cohesive response to these attempts to disenfranchise voters.

If you never read the Harpers article, it's worth the time.

http://harpers.org/archive/2005/08/0080696


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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:44 AM
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73. Now we know why Bush needs troops deployed stateside
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:44 AM
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74. I'm beginning to understand how the French felt
before they marched their leaders straight to the guillotine
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:44 AM
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75. This is why we should have impeached him, Nancy...
:grr:
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:23 PM
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147. not to mention, all the criminals he will pardon the day before he leaves the WH
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:08 PM
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202. Oh, just one of many reasons...
All of which were off her table. I absolutely will boycott San Francisco if the voters return her to office. I already boycott Starkist after she attempted to exempt Starkist from the minimum wage law which was the first indication that she was not serving the American people or their interests. She is the Empress. Serving the Emperor.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:47 AM
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77. So, we don't know what will happen yet - and if they suppress these votes, how do we respond?

Frankly, I don't think even this will be enough to steal Ohio.

I am guessing that Obama will be on this - and I am looking to take my lead from him. In the meantim, I am not sure what we do? Who should we call? Write? Where do we protest?

Any ideas?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:48 AM
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80. FINE: Give attetion to OHIO 2004 and Kerry-to-Bush Vote-Switching

For some reason, the Northern Ohio USA and the FBI are not the least interested in offers of evidence of election fraud
in the PAST?? If they want to focus on Ohio, let them focus on the evidence of past problems with punch cards.

The 2004 Ohio Presidential Election: Cuyahoga County Analysis
How Kerry Votes Were Switched to Bush Votes
http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:59 AM
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82. Ohio DU Canvassers: Get out the Early Vote!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:00 AM
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84. WANT TO INVESTIGATE OHIO? HOW ABOUT THIS:
Preserving Democracy:
What Went Wrong in Ohio
Status Report of the House Judiciary Committee Democratic Staff

Wednesday 05 January 2005

Executive Summary



First, in the run up to election day, the following actions by Mr. Blackwell, the Republican Party and election officials disenfranchised hundreds of thousands of Ohio citizens, predominantly minority and Democratic voters:

The misallocation of voting machines led to unprecedented long lines that disenfranchised scores, if not hundreds of thousands, of predominantly minority and Democratic voters. This was illustrated by the fact that the Washington Post reported that in Franklin County, "27 of the 30 wards with the most machines per registered voter showed majorities for Bush. At the other end of the spectrum, six of the seven wards with the fewest machines delivered large margins for Kerry." (See Powell and Slevin, supra). Among other things, the conscious failure to provide sufficient voting machinery violates the Ohio Revised Code which requires the Boards of Elections to "provide adequate facilities at each polling place for conducting the election."

Mr. Blackwell's decision to restrict provisional ballots resulted in the disenfranchisement of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of voters, again predominantly minority and Democratic voters. Mr. Blackwell's decision departed from past Ohio law on provisional ballots, and there is no evidence that a broader construction would have led to any significant disruption at the polling places, and did not do so in other states.

Mr. Blackwell's widely reviled decision to reject voter registration applications based on paper weight may have resulted in thousands of new voters not being registered in time for the 2004 election.

The Ohio Republican Party's decision to engage in preelection "caging" tactics, selectively targeting 35,000 predominantly minority voters for intimidation had a negative impact on voter turnout. The Third Circuit found these activities to be illegal and in direct violation of consent decrees barring the Republican Party from targeting minority voters for poll challenges.

The Ohio Republican Party's decision to utilize thousands of partisan challengers concentrated in minority and Democratic areas likely disenfranchised tens of thousands of legal voters, who were not only intimidated, but became discouraged by the long lines. Shockingly, these disruptions were publicly predicted and acknowledged by Republican officials: Mark Weaver, a lawyer for the Ohio Republican Party, admitted the challenges "can't help but create chaos, longer lines and frustration."

Mr. Blackwell's decision to prevent voters who requested absentee ballots but did not receive them on a timely basis from being able to receive provisional ballots 6 likely disenfranchised thousands, if not tens of thousands, of voters, particularly seniors. A federal court found Mr. Blackwell's order to be illegal and in violation of HAVA.

Second, on election day, there were numerous unexplained anomalies and irregularities involving hundreds of thousands of votes that have yet to be accounted for:

There were widespread instances of intimidation and misinformation in violation of the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act of 1968, Equal Protection, Due Process and the Ohio right to vote. Mr. Blackwell's apparent failure to institute a single investigation into these many serious allegations represents a violation of his statutory duty under Ohio law to investigate election irregularities.

We learned of improper purging and other registration errors by election officials that likely disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters statewide. The Greater Cleveland Voter Registration Coalition projects that in Cuyahoga County alone over 10,000 Ohio citizens lost their right to vote as a result of official registration errors.

There were 93,000 spoiled ballots where no vote was cast for president, the vast majority of which have yet to be inspected. The problem was particularly acute in two precincts in Montgomery County which had an undervote rate of over 25% each - accounting for nearly 6,000 voters who stood in line to vote, but purportedly declined to vote for president.

There were numerous, significant unexplained irregularities in other counties throughout the state: (i) in Mahoning county at least 25 electronic machines transferred an unknown number of Kerry votes to the Bush column; (ii) Warren County locked out public observers from vote counting citing an FBI warning about a potential terrorist threat, yet the FBI states that it issued no such warning; (iii) the voting records of Perry county show significantly more votes than voters in some precincts, significantly less ballots than voters in other precincts, and voters casting more than one ballot; (iv) in Butler county a down ballot and underfunded Democratic State Supreme Court candidate implausibly received more votes than the best funded Democratic Presidential candidate in history; (v) in Cuyahoga county, poll worker error may have led to little known thirdparty candidates receiving twenty times more votes than such candidates had ever received in otherwise reliably Democratic leaning areas; (vi) in Miami county, voter turnout was an improbable and highly suspect 98.55 percent, and after 100 percent of the precincts were reported, an additional 19,000 extra votes were recorded for President Bush.

Third, in the post-election period we learned of numerous irregularities in tallying provisional ballots and conducting and completing the recount that disenfanchised thousands of voters and call the entire recount procedure into question (as of this date the recount is still not complete):

Mr. Blackwell's failure to articulate clear and consistent standards for the counting of provisional ballots resulted in the loss of thousands of predominantly minority votes. In Cuyahoga County alone, the lack of guidance and the ultimate narrow and arbitrary review standards significantly contributed to the fact that 8,099 out of 24,472 provisional ballots were ruled invalid, the highest proportion in the state.

Mr. Blackwell's failure to issue specific standards for the recount contributed to a lack of uniformity in violation of both the Due Process Clause and the Equal Protection Clauses. We found innumerable irregularities in the recount in violation of Ohio law, including (i) counties which did not randomly select the precinct samples; (ii) counties which did not conduct a full hand court after the 3% hand and machine counts did not match; (iii) counties which allowed for irregular marking of ballots and failed to secure and store ballots and machinery; and (iv) counties which prevented witnesses for candidates from observing the various aspects of the recount.

The voting computer company Triad has essentially admitted that it engaged in a course of behavior during the recount in numerous counties to provide "cheat sheets" to those counting the ballots. The cheat sheets informed election officials how many votes they should find for each candidate, and how many over and under votes they should calculate to match the machine count. In that way, they could avoid doing a full county-wide hand recount mandated by state law.

-SNIP
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010605Y.shtml
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #84
111. That URL doesn't work.
Is this what you had meant?: http://verifiedvoting.org/article.php?id=5500

pnorman
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:09 AM
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114. Thanks, it worked recently.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:04 AM
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86. Unfucking believable.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:08 AM
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88. K&R-- Bush DOJ fired attorneys who wouldn't take on trumped up cases against ACORN.
So now they're going one better I guess.
Those trumped up cases against ACORN didn't fly so they're trying yet another tactic to pretend that

VOTER REGISTRATION is the big problem, when it doesn't even rate COMPARED TO REPUBLICAN EFFORTS TO SLOW DOWN VOTING by asking people to prove their registration at the polling places.

This kind of case helps the Republican operatives pretend they're just trying to ensure a fair election when in fact they're trying to slow it down so the lines are hours long and get enough Democrats to give up on voting.

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fourvahl Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:14 AM
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91. We are going to WIN ANYWAYS
In Minnesota where I am we have to show ID.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:21 AM
Original message
They're not even hiding the fact they will try to steal the election.
Bastards. It must be miserable to be such freaking losers that's the only way you can possibly win.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:21 AM
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92. Toledo Blade covers this:
Article published Saturday, October 25, 2008
Justice Dept. asked to probe Ohio voter records
By TOM TROY
BLADE POLITICS WRITER

President Bush yesterday forwarded a request to the Department of Justice to investigate mismatched voter registration records in Ohio, as urged by U.S. Rep. John Boehner (R., West Chester, Ohio), House minority leader.

A White House spokesman said the President would pass along to Attorney General Michael Mukasey the letter from Mr. Boehner asking the Justice Department to look into whether the state's voter rolls comply with the federal Help America Vote Act.

Ohio Democrats labeled the proposed investigation an act of partisanship.

In his letter, Mr. Boehner noted that starting today, county elections officials will begin removing ballots cast during the state's early voting period from their identifying envelopes, eliminating any possibility of catching fraudulently cast ballots.

Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat, has disclosed that 200,000 of the approximately 700,000 new registrations this year don't match up exactly with information in state records because of misspellings, incorrect addresses, or other inconsistencies in their records.

Ohio Republicans have asked her to identify the 200,000 voters by county and precinct so they can be made to vote by provisional ballot until their validity can be confirmed.

-snip
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081025/NEWS09/810250378

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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:19 AM
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120. WaPo: White House Asks for Scrutiny
White House Asks for Scrutiny
200,000 Voter Registrations in Ohio Conflict With Other Records

By Mary Pat Flaherty
Washington Post Staff Writer

Saturday, October 25, 2008; Page A05

The White House has asked the Department of Justice to look into whether 200,000 new Ohio voters must reconfirm their registration information before Nov. 4, taking up an issue that Republicans and Democrats in the battleground state have been fighting over in court for weeks.

The voter names are in dispute because their registration information conflicts with other official data.

The action comes a week after the U.S. Supreme Court dismissed a case brought by the Ohio Republican Party over the same issue. Republicans have argued that the mismatched information could signal fraudulent registrations, but Democrats have countered that eligible voters could be knocked off the rolls over discrepancies as minor as a transposed number in an address or birth date.

President Bush yesterday asked Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey to review concerns over the voters raised by House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio).

...

Information for the new voters does not match state driver's license or Social Security records. Federal law demands that states have a computerized database to check the records, but leaves it to states to determine what constitutes a match and what to do with mismatches. Voters who have not resolved discrepancies by Nov. 4 could be forced to cast provisional ballots, which are counted only if their registration information can be cleared up.

Brunner this week directed local elections boards not to eliminate voters solely on a mismatch, and yesterday issued orders urging boards not to force voters to use provisional ballots over minor issues.

"The statewide voter database was never intended to be a litmus test for voter eligibility," said Jeff Ortega, a spokesman for Brunner. "Every Ohioan must provide ID to prove their identity before their vote is counted. Ohioans can be completely confident in our preparations for a successful November election."

....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/24/AR2008102403659.html


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Fiendish Thingy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:24 AM
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93. Let them investigate Ohio- I'm sure there's some Republican mischief that would be exposed
Wasn't Nathan Sproul working in Ohio?

At this point, Obama doesn't need Ohio or Florida, hell, the Mavericky one can steal Pennsylvania and he will still win.
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:17 PM
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144. You have got to be kidding...............
They have a justice department that only works for them........not the people. They will never find anything that the republicans have done, because they already know the malfeasances that have been perpetrated, it's part of the plan. They have filled the justice department with partisan hacks.
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mn9driver Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:24 AM
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94. You guys didn't think that the GOP junta was actually going to
relinquish power, did you?

On the night of November 4, we will find that only the "right" kinds of votes have been counted. The newest Army mission is already in place to make sure that we all accept the election of McCain and Palin like good Americans:
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
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ToolTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #94
261. That is really terrifying news mn9driver.
I am convinced that we have lost our country, and they plan to never let us get it back.

I truly hope I am wrong because many of us will die and even so probably not prevail.

They seem to have thought of everything. Solders believing they are using non-lethal weapons, when otherwise they might refuse to use them on fellow citizens.

We won't be allowed to drive to DC to protest the stolen election. Notice they are training in road blocks, etc.

And the clincher is stationing the force command in Colorado Springs, where the crazy ass fundamentalist Air Force nests.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:26 AM
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96. It appears Ohio is no longer a 'swing' state.
Obviously, mclame is in desperate need of electoral votes. They stole Ohio in '04 but w/o a pub SoS, it is difficult. So DoJ has to step in? Where are the Democratic reps and senator, overruling boner? I thought registration & voting were all under the jurisdiction of the individual states. I thought the publican party was all about 'state's rights'. Isn't that how they want pregnancy termination, same sex unions & gun laws decided?

Consistency, thy name is not republican.
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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:36 AM
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98. My son may be disenfranchised.
With Bush's instruction to the DOJ to investigate 200,000 new voter registrations in Ohio, I'm certain my son falls into that category.

His original registration was our permanent address in Kentucky, but in 2004, he was easily able to change his address temporarily to the (Kentucky) town where he attended college. He voted for Kerry without incident.

He's now a graduate student in Ohio, and was able to register there, right on campus. He's extremely jazzed about Obama. However...

He moved to Ohio in August, and his driver's license is still issued by Kentucky. He rents a house with a few other grad students, but all utility bills, etc., are in the name of the owner.

I've told him he may need to take everything he can with him to vote: student ID (of course), any communications he may have received from his university at the Ohio address... that's about all I can think of.

I know he hasn't formally changed his address through Social Security. But as a paid TA, perhaps he should get some sort of proof from the university. Would a pay stub or direct deposit statement suffice? Would a newly-issued Ohio driver's license be challenged?

Tearing out my hair, and hoping some of your good DU minds will have a suggestion or two. My vote for Obama won't help much here. But his will, in Ohio. If it's counted.

Thanks, all.
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casue Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #98
123. My son may be disenfranchised
To Satbod Elder, I pray your son's vote will count! -- voter I.D. requirements for Ohio:


When You Vote, Bring I.D.
Many forms of identification will be accepted. They are:
Early In-Person and Absentee Voting

* The last four digits of voter’s Social Security number; or driver's license number; or
* A copy of a current and valid photo identification, (i.e. Ohio driver’s license, state ID card, government ID). Photo identification must show name and address; or
* A copy of a current utility bill (including cell phone bill), bank statement, paycheck, government check, or other government document that shows the voter’s name and current address (including from a public college or university).

Election Day Voting

* A current and valid photo identification (i.e. Ohio driver’s license, state ID card, government ID). Photo identification must show name and address (does not need to be current address for driver’s license or state id card); or
* A military identification that shows the voter’s name. (Does not need to show address); or
* A copy of a current utility bill (including cell phone bill), bank statement, paycheck, government check, or other government document that shows the voter’s name and current address (including from a public college or university).

Note: Ohio law provides you cannot use as proof of identification a notice that the board of elections mailed to you. Voters who do not provide one of these documents will still be able to vote by provisional ballot.

Questions?
Please contact your local county board of elections (click here for a boards of elections directory) or the Voting Rights Insitute at 877.VOTE.VRI or [email protected]
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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:55 AM
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128. Thank you.
The cell phone bill is a great idea. I'll let him know.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:33 PM
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150. Welcome to DU, casue.
:hi:
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:29 PM
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187. Good, then anyone who isn't allowed to vote has only to go home and get a utility bill. That should
take care of all this unless they somehow get purged off the rolls entirely.

Welcome to DU!!!:hi:
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Steelworker In OH Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 05:58 AM
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271. Have him
Get some proof of attendance/housing/job from the university. They shouldn't give him too much grief at the polls, they are pretty used to college students and ID issues. For the most part, Ohio just uses photo ID's to verify names, not addresses. I've never had a problem voting with whatever address was on my ID. A pay stub from the university, along with College ID and his drivers license (even if its KY) should be enough proof of who he is to get him through the polls.

Best of luck, hopefully his district is pretty decent like mine.
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felinetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:43 AM
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99. Obviously they know Obama has won otherwise they wouldn't
bother to think of every heinous, evil way to steal our elecetion yet again! They are running scared at the prospect of being convicted of their crimes for the last eight years and they don't care if we see them blatantly stealing it this time! They are very upfront about it.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:48 AM
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101. He's stepping in to try to steal it again
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 10:49 AM by Phred42
Now Why doesn't Congress Subpoena the DOJ right back on this and find out what they're up to

ANd tie them up for a week or so

If they Steal THIS ONE - it will clearly be PELOSI's fault.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:50 AM
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102. Hasn't the Ohio Supreme Court already ruled on this?
Does Mukasey, or Bush, have the authority to overturn the decision of a state Supreme Court? What about the other laws in place, about disenfranchising voters so close to an election?

Some respect for states' rights.

If we present this right, it'll drive more votes to our guy, though. We can stir up outrage on the right, at this Big Government power grab away from the state.
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Larry L. Burks Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #102
259. The 90 Day Rule?????
Your right they can't Not by way of the law.
There is a Federal law that stats that it is illegal to remove voters from the registered voters list " 90 "Days before the election.

To do so would be a Felony
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:53 AM
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104. Where was their concern in 00 and 04
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:13 AM
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117. They knew they had FL in 00 and OH in 04. They knew it'd be close enough to steal.
This time, not so much.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 06:06 PM
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221. HAVA was passed because..
of Florida 2000. HAVA legislated electronic voting, making our voting systems more vulnerable rather than less. The 2004 election uncovered lots of discrepancies, purges, and voter suppression. Since then all but 18 states have added paper to their voting systems. This year they are obviously going after the voters, and using the courts to try and steal it.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:56 AM
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107. Isn't this a state matter?
Can't the governor of Ohio tell Mukasy and Bush to go Cheney themselves?
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:56 AM
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108. Isn't this a state matter?
Can't the governor of Ohio tell Mukasy and Bush to go Cheney themselves?
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:03 AM
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112. Unbelievable. Now I'm really pissed off.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:08 AM
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113. It's a Bush thing ...obstruction of democracy ...damn hypocrite asscarrot
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:13 AM
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118. What the fuck, I thought the Supreme Court settled this twice?
How can he just do this.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:44 AM
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124. George Bush and His Fascist Cabal will Regret Doing This
mark my words...
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:45 AM
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125. Bush is such an AssWipe
Let's take him & Mukasey out of the picture. Pelosi should have started the procedure long, long ago. Bush's actions show where we need to go to take him out.
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QUALAR Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:52 AM
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126. McCuster's Last Stand
There are a lot of criminals afraid of the Democrats gaining control of the Justice Department.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:54 AM
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127. I think Boner
Should be probed by Bush.
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fourvahl Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:56 AM
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129. Here's a copy of the letter sent to Attorney General
in regards to DOJ Fraud Investigation. Its a PDF so I just copied and pasted it below but the original link can be found at http://www.866ourvote.org/newsroom/news?id=0101. I realize it isn't directly linked to this story but thought some folks might like to take a look. Least some people are trying to do something about this voter fraud investigation garbage. Another to break the camels back.

Attorney General Michael Mukasey October 24, 2008
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530
Dear Attorney General Mukasey:
We are former attorneys with the Civil Rights Division and we write to seek clarification and assurances from you that the actions of the Department in investigating allegations of election fraud do not result in adversely affecting minority voters in the upcoming election.
As you are aware, activities by the Department before and on election day have been limited primarily to the important role of the Civil Rights Division in placing federal observers to monitor elections pursuant to provisions of the Voting Rights Act. The activity is designed to protect minority voters from racial discrimination or intimidation. On the other hand, the Department has long recognized that initiating federal criminal investigations into allegations of election fraud in the immediate pre-election period can have a serious chilling effect on voters, especially minority voters who have experienced a long history of discrimination and intimidation at elections. This is recognized by the Criminal Division in policies set forth in its manual addressing federal prosecutions of election offenses:
Election fraud cases often depend on the testimony of individual voters whose votes were co-opted in one way or another. But in most cases, voters should not be interviewed or other voter-related investigation done, until after the election is over. Such overt investigative steps may chill legitimate voting activities. They are also likely to be perceived by voters and candidates as an intrusion into the election. Indeed, the fact of a federal criminal investigation may itself become an issue in the election.
In investigating an election fraud matter, federal law enforcement personnel should carefully evaluate whether an investigative step under consideration has the potential to affect the election itself. Starting a public criminal investigation of alleged election fraud before the election to which the allegations pertain has been concluded runs the obvious risk of chilling legitimate voting and campaign activities. It also runs the significant risk of interjecting the investigation itself as an issue, both in the campaign and in the adjudication of any ensuing election contest.
Federal Prosecution of Election Offenses, Seventh Edition, pp. 91-92
The sensitivity to the chilling effect on minority voters was recognized by Acting Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights, Grace Chung Becker, who recently issued a press release announcing that the Department would not permit any criminal prosecutors to be utilized as part of the Civil Rights Division’s election monitoring effort on November 4.
Allegations of voter registration fraud should not be taken lightly. But, it is because of the long recognized sensitivity to the role of federal law enforcement officials in elections that we have concern about press reports, apparently leaked to the press by FBI officials, that the Department recently opened a nationwide criminal investigation into the allegations of fraud in the voter registration efforts of a national community organization that was engaged in registering low income voters who are predominantly minority. It would seem that this is the kind of investigation that longtime Department policy dictates should not be initiated until after an election. We understand there may be exceptions to this policy, but it is not clear that this particular investigation should be one of those exceptions
We were pleased that you arranged to meet with civil rights organizations in recent months about election related issues and that you assured them that voting matters were one of your top priorities. In light of this and the concerns expressed above, we ask respectfully that you clarify publicly whether the Department has initiated such an investigation and, if so, we request that you affirm that it will be conducted in a manner that is least likely to have a chilling effect on voters, especially minority voters
Thank you in advance for your attention to this matter.
Sincerely,
Stephen J. Pollak
James P. Turner
Brian K. Landsberg
Joseph D. Rich
Paul F. Hancock
Sandra S. Coleman
Stephen J Pollak
3314 Newark Ave. NW
Washington DC 20008
James P. Turner
15001 Popular Hill Road
Accokeek, MD 20607
Brian K. Landsberg
Pacific McGeorge School of Law
3200 Fifth Avenue
Sacramento CA 95817
Joseph D. Rich
1401 New York Avenue, NW
Suite 400
Washington, DC 20005
Paul F. Hancock
K&L Gates LLP Wachovia Financial Center 200 South Biscayne Boulevard, Suite 3900 Miami, Florida 33131-2399
Sandra S. Coleman
726 Tyler Street
Hollywood, Fl 33019
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:57 AM
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130. I hope there is a special place in hell for prez shit-for-brains, boner, and mucus-y!!!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:58 AM
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132. The question is, do the Democrats have a plan for a stolen election? or Martial Law?
In 2000 Gore and the Democrats in Congress bowed to the will of Bush. Also in 2004 Kerry and Congress the same.
I don't expect the Democrats to save us from another stolen election. And heaven help us if Bush declares martial law.
Democratic lawmakers are going to have to choose between the aristocracy or the people.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:02 PM
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134. Bring it on
I will take Jenny Brunner over Michael Mukasey any day of the week.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:07 PM
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136. We are watching our democracy slip away. We are now in the final stages of the neocon nazi
peaceful coup. Will the American people actually stand up to this tyranny?
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:07 PM
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137. The WH using the DoJ to suppress the vote.Difficult to have any respect for republicans at all
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:08 PM
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139. Why didn't Boehner compalin early enough for voters to check registrations and still vote
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #139
140. Last attempt to steal the election by suppresing the vote.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #140
141. With zero incidence of"voter" fraud, there's no precedence to suppress the voters.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #139
148. well known ploy to wait until last minute so opposition cannot gather forces
Tends to work but occasionally backfires. This is the reason administrative rules like posting agendas, minutes, and official meeting notices have deadlines.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:12 PM
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142. They are STILL Trying to Steal the Election!
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 12:17 PM by AndyTiedye
If they disenfranchise 200,000 Democrats in Ohio, they win Ohio.
They are obviously planning a steal in Pennsylvania.
Florida is still Florida.

We are not out of the woods yet.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #142
159. We need to organize some people in Ohio.
They will never stop trying.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:27 PM
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149. So, the POTUS steps in to SUPPRESS the vote in his own country.
...he ought to be in PRISON.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:37 PM
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151. F*cking asshole
Hasn't he done enough damage to our democracy. I so want that bastard out of office!

:grr:


Sonia
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:40 PM
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153. Incredible. Just incredible. They should have impeached him.
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minnesota_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:45 PM
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154. DOJ has no juristiction!
The Supreme Court has already weighed in on this issue. The White House and the DOJ have no business interfering.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #154
163. That was what I thought, too.
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 01:00 PM by MaineDem
I wish the AG would have the guts to tell him no.
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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #154
169. Really? The AG has no jurisdiction? Well who does have standing? n/t
n/t
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minnesota_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #169
180. Poor wording on my part, but AG/DOJ can't overrule SCOTUS
DOJ can investigate all they want.
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machI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 05:53 AM
Response to Reply #154
270. Desperation has no jurisdiction. You expect less from the Republicans.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:48 PM
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156. I'm speechless. All I can say is we HAVE to get such a huge Electoral victory that erases Ohio.
I hate them.. I fucking hate them. We knew it would be Ohio again. I guess Bush is returning the favor done for him. That man should be in prison... along with Boehner, and Blackwell,.

I don't know what we can do, at this point, other than create a royal ruckus... but I tell ya, that 50-state strategy is looking mighty good right now. We have to render Ohio powerless to lose the election. I hate those mofos right now.

Does anyone grasp what will happen to the economy is Bush STEALS this again??? Consumer Confidence DRIVES our economy, and it hit the basement the last two times he stole it.. and hasn't seen the ground floor since. We can't let them do this.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:56 PM
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160. Piece of shit fucking bastard.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #160
164. I hope Obama/DNC have a plan.
And thank God it's Barack and Howard this time. They're smart and they're both fighters.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:04 PM
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165. he is such a FUCK
the supremes already spoke. isn't there a law against pulling this shit so close to an election? oh, wait i forgot, bushies got no use for LAWS.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:09 PM
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167. Please write Sen Schumer and ask him to call his friend Mukasey and tell him to just say no to
the Fuhrer. If Sen Schumer doesn't do this, he will show whose side he is on. The traitor.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:09 PM
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168. It's time for a constitutional amendment giving us the right to vote
Even tho the majority of Americans believes it's in the Constitution - it isn't. If there was an amendment giving us the right to vote, then it will fall into federal jurisdiction and the states will have to abide by uniform criteria. The same voting equipment with a paper trail for all states. No felons list. Violations for voter caging and voter suppression tactics with prison time. Early voting in all states. Remove the ability of Secretary of State in each state to restrict voting in democratic districts. A criteria established for voting equipment per population in the precinct. The current situation allows for and encourages the disenfranchisement of hundreds of thousands of voters nationwide.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:16 PM
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170. King George is at it again.
What happened to the Republican mantra of "states' rights?" This has already gone to the Ohio Supreme Court and now the president thinks he can intervene? I guess he wants to push it to the US Supreme Court. He's got that one in the bag.

All I can say is this democracy is killing me.
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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:18 PM
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171. Really surprised this story hasn't shown up anywhere else. n/t
n/t
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:27 PM
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172. Isn't the Judiciary a separate and equal branch? How can the Executive
give an order like that? Or is the DOJ not really a part of the Judiciary?

Department of Justice. It's sounding more and more like an Orwellian term.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #172
181. Brilliant observation
"Department of Justice. It's sounding more and more like an Orwellian term."
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:31 PM
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174. Wow
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 01:31 PM by nam78_two
:eyes: Bushies going for broke...
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sandrakae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 01:52 PM
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179. Fuck you John Boehner. Where the fuck were you 4 years ago?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:09 PM
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183. Fucking asshats
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:16 PM
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184. Los Angeles Times has it on page A-9. That's MSM in print. Now about ABC,CBS, NBC...
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:27 PM
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186. We wondered what damage was still in that evil git, and now we know. Cornered animals are vicious.
The entire voter-ID thing is a scheme to disenfranchise large numbers of people. I never had to provide ID in my precinct. One year the anti-Mexican crowd in California wanted us all to show ID, but it was so spottily enforced that it had to be stopped at that time. Reasons for spotty enforcement by poll-workers were: some of them felt very ambivalent about doing it at all, and others only asked brown people. So it was dropped -- until more of a national movement could take place to convince the sheeple that hordes of evil-doers were trying to cast ballots.

As for Bush and the machinery that brought him to office -- one wonders. It simply boggles the mind that they would want to hang on to this job in the current circumstances. Some thought they might want to throw this election and leave the hellish mess to a Dem for the next 4 years. What the hell kind of pure evil do they have in mind, if they are this intent on overthrowing the 2008 election?

Hekate


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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:32 PM
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188. "Late Friday" Big fucking surprise.
Do it late Friday in the hopes that few will notice.

Too bad about those internet tubes though! :)
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 02:38 PM
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189. I'm sure everything will be alright. There were so many new Dems registered in Ohio that even if
all 200,000 are purged, AND they are all Dem(Extremely unlikely) we should still have plenty to overcome McCain. Especially considering how well he is polling among indys and a much heavier number of line crossing Repugs...

PLUS: Obama is no Kerry. He'll sit and make sure every vote is counted no matter how long it takes.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 03:19 PM
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192. Pack up all your cares and woes, here we go...
to Washington DC.

The bush will keep trying to steal the election for his friend and good buddy McInsane. So expect worse things to come.

Prepare to protest the stolen election but HOPE for the best.
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PuppyBismark Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 03:24 PM
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194. OHIO has ID checking at the polls - should not impact results
I just completed training to be an election official in Ohio. Ohio has mandatory ID checking, but the rules are pretty good for ID checking. All the voter has to do is show up with an ID with the correct address and name. That ID can be a driver's license, utility bill, or any number of other things that people have that has their name and address. This was in effect for the last election and there were few problems.

At the class, we specifically discussed the issue of name checking. the reason for some many of these automated check failures is the difference in how people represent their name. For example if the driver's license name is Betty and their name is Elizabeth on the voter roles, the automated ID check will fail, but at the polls, we are specifically instructed to allow them to vote.

This is much more about PR than anything else. Whether the DOJ gets involved or not, given the ID checking used in Ohio, the same number of people will vote.
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specialed Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 03:34 PM
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195. This is beyond outrageous. This is treason.
IMPEACH HIM NOW!
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pirate_satellite Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 03:59 PM
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199. They did the math
and discovered there's no plausible way for McCain to win without carrying these three states:

---Ohio

---Pennsylvania

---Florida

They will do ANYTHING now in these three states... they have no other choice, except to lose with dignity... and they turned away from that option a long time ago.




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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:03 PM
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201. I'm thinking that the Supreme Court has the final say,
and that this won't do a damn thing...AG can't over-rule the Supreme Court
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:12 PM
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203. Please....
The Justice Department can act on its own and do you really think this Supreme Court would hear a case that would allow a truly democratic vote in this country? They would do what they did in 2000. Delay a decision until the decision no longer mattered. Like the day after the elections. And then claim you could not have a revote because it would interfere with the right of the electoral college to meet.

This is no longer a democracy. Thanks in great part to Nancy Pelosi and her table.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 06:11 PM
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222. "AG can't over-rule the Supreme Court"...in a democracy. That's not what we have with Bush.
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 06:12 PM by NoodleyAppendage
If you haven't been paying attention for the last 3 years, we are no longer a democracy, but an illusion of one. Bush can (and will) do whatever he pleases and likely with impunity...until we do what the Democrats in the Congress have failed to do -- hold him ACCOUNTABLE.

Frankly, I'm ready to riot. And, will gladly lay down my life to restore our country to its democratic roots. This country is in good need of a "cleansing."

J
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:34 AM
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263. The Supreme court only ruled on standing
Private parties, like the Ohio GOP, can't sue to enforce the HAVA provisions.

The DOJ presumably can.

Yet another thing we can thankl the spineless DINO's for saddling us with.
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FUCK_BUSH Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:44 PM
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208. ********LETS DO SOMETHING.PEOPLE PLEASE START CALLING THESE PHONE NUMBERS***************************
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 04:44 PM by FUCK_BUSH
AND ASK THE OFFICIAL TO PROTECT THE VOTES.Keep calling as much as you can and DEMAND Justice.



OHIO ELECTION OFFICE :

Phone: (614)-466-2655

Toll Free: (877)-767-6446



OHIO Governor's Office :

(614) 466-3555



Office of Senator Sherrod Brown :

(202) 224-2315


This is a war.We MUST push back.These POS people are trying hard to steal this election.It's up to people to fight back.

Keep calling and ask them to do everything they can to protect voters.



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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:48 PM
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210. Why doesn't he have the DOJ investigate Ohio, 2004, when the REAL widespread fraud occurred?
Oh yeah, of course. :eyes:

Goddamn fucking hypocrites! Shamelessly projecting like that! They flagrantly stole the election in 2004 via widespread fraud in SEVERAL states, Ohio being the most pivotal. Now, that scumbag Bush is saying we need to investigate Ohio?!?!?

He's just making a mockery out of the voting public, rubbing it in everyone's face that the only reason he's in office now is because of flat-out fraud, but his term is almost over, and he got away with it.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:55 PM
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211. This is why that election stealing Fascist Pig has been so smug!
Bastards!
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:57 PM
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212. Oh Barf, Boehner.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 05:07 PM
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213. UNconstitutional, elections are state matters, needs to be brought in front of Sup Crt immediately,
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 05:08 PM by demo dutch
so what is the Obama campaign doing????
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FUCK_BUSH Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 05:42 PM
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218. Email them and ask them.That's what i did.
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 05:19 PM
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215. After all the crap they pulled in Ohio in 2004 they have some serious stone
fucking with the election again.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 05:36 PM
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217. I'm speechless
This is totally absurd and an obscene abuse of power.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 05:44 PM
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219. Okay, it's riot time. n/t
I was hoping it wouldn't come to violence, but clearly it has to.
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CLG_News Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:27 PM
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255. I like your polar bear picture. BTW, two words: Jason LIEopold.
LIEopold is not a credible ('Karl Rove has been indicted...in 24 business hours...') source.
:) --Polar Bear
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 06:21 PM
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223. What percentage of the new registrations are minorities? Is this racism?
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 06:22 PM by L. Coyote
Or, just fear of losing! :rofl:
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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 06:25 PM
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224. THIS IS INNACURATE!!!!!!
I had a post that got moved/pulled/closed etc that said that he merely passed along the complaints and the Civ Rights Division of DOJ said they aren't going to act. Will see if I can find the post and/or link as I didn't save it. *sigh*
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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 06:59 PM
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225. Timing
1) "On Friday" -- thus assuring it will be kept off the news and out of the publid scope until at least Monday.

2) "Less than two weeks before the election" -- Bush's final days in office and his motto now is, "The buck stops with Mukasey!"
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:07 PM
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226. He just has to fuck us over one last time, doesn't he?
:grr:
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:18 PM
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228. Please keep kicked
k and r:kick:
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:21 PM
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230. This is nothing but a sign of desperation. eom.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:22 PM
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231. Total horsesh*t - no-one recalls what happened in Ohio in 04 elction but Rove
was the one calling the shots back then. ->Like Homeland security shut out the press from being around when the tabulators were being removed from machines. man how can we forget so quickly or has the meth thing gone bonkers?!
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:27 PM
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234. I know what happened in Ohio. I read the book and followed Blackwell thru to the end.
John Conyers is one person I really respect.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:29 PM
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235. A Piece of Shit to the Very End.
Go fuck yourself Mr. "President," the federal Supreme Court through the lawsuit out once, and the state Supreme Court did a second time.
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aein Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:01 PM
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238. if this is true, i'm about ready to march on DC with pitchforks
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:17 PM
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239. Ohio's ex Blackwell was on FOXnews demanding an investgation earlier this week, it
only gets more pathetic when 'W' tells Mukasey to cause some smoke and news...quickly!
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:19 PM
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240. that insufferable piece of trash...
garbage day can't come soon enough. :puke:
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Moonwalk Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:29 PM
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241. "Bush ordering an investigation into "voter fraud" is like....
....O.J. looking for The Real Killers."

--quoted from Ephiphany65

Poor Ohio. :think: March on Washington anyone?
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:19 PM
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246. There Is A Simple Reason The Records Don't Match
Each area that keeps records have their own standards for capturing information. Under these circumstances you cannot use the raw data and expect an exact match. What you have to do is to standardize the data from each source before attempting the match. Even that has problems because of incompatible standards. For instance, a woman's middle initial may be different depending on whether the agency requires using the first letter of maiden name or the first letter of the given middle name. Hyphenated names are another problem area. And we all know what can happen with addresses although normalizing with Postal Service records improves the data significantly. Lastly, how many people notify DMV and SS Administration immediately after moving? Most people continue to drive on their old license until it expires, even when changing States. The old system is the best system of all; have the election board send out a registeration notice to the voters with instructions to the Postal Service to return rather than forward the registeration notice. I received mine in the mail just today. It boggles the mind that the Bush Justice Department is defying the US Supreme Court. Their action is criminal. Mukasey should resign rather than implement this order just like Richardson did during Watergate.
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:20 PM
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247. voter disenfranchisement at its best, SOB, fecking sod, and he can shove Diebold et al
up his ass!!
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:42 PM
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248. SCOTUS already said no.
SC of Ohio already said no (all Rs by the way).

The only person whose opinion matters on this is Jennifer Brunner, Ohio Secretary of the State. And she's already approved the new registrations. The grounds for excluding someone as a voter are so narrow anyway, what is the big deal.

FUCK YOU BONER! Soon you'll House Extreme Minority Leader.
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Larry L. Burks Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:09 PM
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252. The 90 Day Rule?????
There is a Federal law that stats that it is illegal to remove voters from the registered voters list " 90 "Days before the election.

To do so would be a Felony.
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 04:21 PM
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281. This wouldn't be a felony
because the request is to have data ON the registration verified - not to purge the registration itself. If a registration with bad data was found, the voter would be asked to vote provisionally.

The very basic problem with his whole request is that what he's asking for would be done at the polls anyway. His request, therefore can only be viewed as an attempt to bog down the voting process by wasting manpower to do the verifying BEFORE election day. That is the goal - to make the opposition waste money and manpower defending the people's rights

The whole thing is STUPID, but they are DESPERATE.
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CLG_News Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:23 PM
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254. Heads up! The 'article' is by Jason LIEopold.
Remember his Karl Rove 'reporting?'
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:28 PM
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256. ABUSE of POWERS!!!!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 04:15 AM
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267. A fair election is "Off The Table"...
People in Washington should have figured out by about 2001 that Bush wasn't a "Nice Guy"...We'd figured it out here by then.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 09:30 AM
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275. bush orders makane installed as president!!!
decides elections are a fraud!






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CoopersMom Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 02:28 PM
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279. McLame 'Guaranteed' a Win this morning on Meet The Press
Guess he's gotten the game plan info from his WH source. He said he could guarantee that he'd win; it would be late night, early Wednesday morning before we all will know the results, but just like his shit-for-brains predecessor, he would emerge the victor.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 03:39 PM
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280. After the election, this utterly corrupt, pathetic little man must be imprisoned.
What kind of message will we send to future generations if we do not seek justice for one of the most heinous criminals in our nation's history?
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Ferret Annica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 06:06 PM
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283. Bush involved in this shows the move to put the fix in is on
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-27-08 08:56 AM
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284. Lawmakers Urge DOJ Not to Intervene in Ohio Voter Dispute
Lawmakers Urge DOJ Not to Intervene in Ohio Voter Dispute

By Jason Leopold
The Public Record
Sunday, October 26, 2008


Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, and five congressional lawmakers, urged Attorney General Michael Mukasey not to intervene in Ohio’s voter registration dispute where Republicans have challenged the integrity of 200,000 new voter registration forms.

“The eyes of the nation are once again on Ohio in the Nov. 4 election in this critical election,” Brown and the congressional Democrats said in a letter sent to Mukasey. “We have confidence in the work that is being done by Ohio’s bipartisan group of election officials and by Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner. We respectfully request that you refrain from taking any action absent more compelling evidence than partisan political requests.

“According to testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee last year, Republican members of Congress exerted pressure on the Justice Department two years ago to bring an indictment in a public corruption case against Democratic officials before the November election so as to influence its outcome. To his credit, the U.S. Attorney in question resisted this pressure. You should do no less."

...

In a letter to Mukasey, Brown and U.S. Representatives Marcy Kaptur, Tim Ryan, Zack T. Space, Betty Sutton, and Charles Wilson, said, “we are concerned that complaints about the administration of HAVA in Ohio are designed to reduce the number of legitimate votes that are cast and counted in our state.”

“It is hard to find another explanation for complaints that are filed with only a few days remaining before the election,” the lawmakers wrote. “To comply with HAVA, former Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, a Republican, instituted a voter registration database, known by the acronym SWVRD, in 2006. The State continues to maintain the SWVRD in accordance with federal and state law.

“No complaints concerning its implementation or operation were received by the Secretary of State’s office until the Ohio Republican Party initiated litigation on September 26, 2008. The lawsuit sought to compel the Ohio Secretary of State to implement new standards for the SWVRD – standards that are not required under either HAVA or Ohio law.”

....

http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/428-lawmakers-urge-doj-not-to-intervene-in-ohio-voter-dispute.html



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