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BobbyVan Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:30 PM
Original message
Bush White House Takes NBC News To The Woodshed
Edited on Mon May-19-08 03:04 PM by BobbyVan
Source: Time: The Page

Essential reading: Extraordinary letter from White House Counselor Ed Gillespie to NBC News topper Steve Capus.

Accuses NBC of selective editing of weekend interview with President Bush on “appeasement” remark and Iran.

Also asks for clarification on NBC views of “civil war” in Iraq, the economy, and the role of opinionmongers on MSNBC.




THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary

_______________________________________________________
For Immediate Release May 19, 2008

Setting The Record Straight:

The following is a letter from Counselor to the President Ed Gillespie to NBC News President Steve Capus:

Steve Capus
President, NBC News
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, N.Y. 10112

Mr. Capus:

This e-mail is to formally request that NBC Nightly News and The Today Show air for their viewers President Bush’s actual answer to correspondent Richard Engel’s question about Iran policy and “appeasement,” rather than the deceptively edited version of the President’s answer that was aired last night on the Nightly News and this morning on The Today Show.

In the interview, Engel asked the President: “You said that negotiating with Iran is pointless, and then you went further. You said that it was appeasement. Were you referring to Senator Barack Obama?”

The President responded: “You know, my policies haven’t changed, but evidently the political calendar has. People need to read the speech. You didn’t get it exactly right, either. What I said was is that we need to take the words of people seriously. And when, you know, a leader of Iran says that they want to destroy Israel, you’ve got to take those words seriously. And if you don’t take them seriously, then it harkens back to a day when we didn’t take other words seriously. It was fitting that I talked about not taking the words of Adolph Hitler seriously on the floor of the Knesset. But I also talked about the need to defend Israel, the need to not negotiate with the likes of al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas. And the need to make sure Iran doesn’t get a nuclear weapon.”
This answer makes clear: (1). The President’s remarks before the Knesset were not different from past policy statements, but are now being looked at through a political prism, (2). Corrects the inaccurate premise of Engel’s question by putting the “appeasement” line in the proper context of taking the words of leaders seriously, not “negotiating with Iran,” (3). Restates the U.S.’s long-standing policy positions against negotiating with al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas, and not allowing Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon.

Engel’s immediate follow-up question was, “Repeatedly you’ve talked about Iran and that you don’t want to see Iran develop a nuclear weapon. How far away do you think Iran is from developing a nuclear capability?”

The President replied, “You know, Richard, I don’t want to speculate – and there’s a lot of speculation. But one thing is for certain – we need to prevent them from learning how to enrich uranium. And I have made it clear to the Iranians that there is a seat at the table for them if they would verifiably suspend their enrichment. And if not, we’ll continue to rally the world to isolate them.”

This response reiterates another long-standing policy, which is that if Iran verifiably suspends its uranium enrichment program the U.S. government would engage in talks with the Iranian government.

NBC’s selective editing of the President’s response is clearly intended to give viewers the impression that he agreed with Engel’s characterization of his remarks when he explicitly challenged it. Furthermore, omitted the references to al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas and ignored the clarifying point in the President’s follow-up response that U.S. policy is to require Iran to suspend its nuclear enrichment program before coming to the table, not that “negotiating with Iran is pointless” and amounts to “appeasement.”

This deceitful editing to further a media-manufactured storyline is utterly misleading and irresponsible and I hereby request in the interest of fairness and accuracy that the network air the President’s responses to both initial questions in full on the two programs that used the excerpts.

As long as I am making this formal request, please allow me to take this opportunity to ask if your network has reconsidered its position that Iraq is in the midst of a civil war, especially in light of the fact that the unity government in Baghdad recently rooted out illegal, extremist groups in Basra and reclaimed the port there for the people of Iraq, among other significant signs of progress.

On November 27, 2006, NBC News made a decision to no longer just cover the news in Iraq, but to make an analytical and editorial judgment that Iraq was in a civil war. As you know, both the United States government and the Government of Iraq disputed your account at that time. As Matt Lauer said that morning on The Today Show: “We should mention, we didn’t just wake up on a Monday morning and say, ‘Let’s call this a civil war.’ This took careful deliberation.’”

I noticed that around September of 2007, your network quietly stopped referring to conditions in Iraq as a “civil war.” Is it still NBC News’s carefully deliberated opinion that Iraq is in the midst of a civil war? If not, will the network publicly declare that the civil war has ended, or that it was wrong to declare it in the first place?

Lastly, when the Commerce Department on April 30 released the GDP numbers for the first quarter of 2007, Brian Williams reported it this way: “If you go by the government number, the figure that came out today stops just short of the official declaration of a recession.”

The GDP estimate was a positive 0.6% for the first quarter. Slow growth, but growth nonetheless. This followed a slow but growing fourth quarter in 2007. Consequently, even if the first quarter GDP estimate had been negative, it still would not have signaled a recession – neither by the unofficial rule-of-thumb of two consecutive quarters of negative growth, nor the more robust definition by the National Bureau of Economic Research (the group that officially marks the beginnings and ends of business cycles).

Furthermore, never in our nation’s history have we characterized economic conditions as a “recession” with unemployment so low – in fact, when this rate of unemployment was eventually reached in the 1990s, it was hailed as the sign of a strong economy. This rate of unemployment is lower than the average of the past three decades.

Are there numbers besides the “government number” to go by? Is there reason to believe “the government number” is suspect? How does the release of positive economic growth for two consecutive quarters, albeit limited, stop “just short of the official declaration of a recession”?

Mr. Capus, I’m sure you don’t want people to conclude that there is really no distinction between the “news” as reported on NBC and the “opinion” as reported on MSNBC, despite the increasing blurring of those lines. I welcome your response to this letter, and hope it is one that reassures your broadcast network’s viewers that blatantly partisan talk show hosts like Christopher Matthews and Keith Olbermann at MSNBC don’t hold editorial sway over the NBC network news division.

Sincerely,
Ed Gillespie
Counselor to the President

To View The Edited Version Of NBC News’ Interview, Click Here <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/vp/24696422#24696422>

To View The Full Interview Of The President, Click Here <http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/vp/24696309#24696309>


Read more: http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/19/bush-white-house-takes-nbc-news-to-the-woodshed/



(Please excuse the headline, I followed the rules and used the headline that was on the Time Magazine website.)

Can you believe this Gillespie P.O.S.?

I'm posting this here so we can go point-by-point in responding to these ridiculous claims.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:38 PM
Response to Original message
1. Would someone please change Ed Gillespie's diaper?
No, not you Sen. Vitter!
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:38 PM
Response to Original message
2. Dear Ed: Jam it up your ass.
First Amendment is indeed a bitch, innit?

Signed, America
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Dave From Canada Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #2
10. Does that apply to Fox News as well?
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. You mean Fox Stenographic Service, Inc ?
Of course. If they ever got such ham-handed "input" from the government, which I doubt in the extreme.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #2
62. A succinct reply - I like it!
And I love your beagle. My boy is a 3-year old bi-color, the light of my life!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:39 PM
Response to Original message
3. Somewhere Goebbels is smiling
Williams, Lauer, O'Donnell, Mitchell, Scabbrow, Buchanan are just TOO LIBERAL to be allowed on the air.
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Dave From Canada Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. Somewhere, someone's smiling at another instance of Godwin's law.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #9
42. actually, Goebbels met with the press every morning to tell them
what to stress and what to ignore. Karl Rove has blast faxes.

So, "Dave", just because Godwin's Law exists doesn't mean the rulers of the US don't behave like Nazis
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #9
46. Godwin can go to hell and fry there
I don't subscribe to the silly notion of "Godwin's Law", and neither should you or anyone else.

It's Usenet nonsense. Ignore it.

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:40 PM
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4. Gillespie can eff off too
Edited on Mon May-19-08 02:41 PM by alyce douglas
sick sick bastards they are.

georgie must have been angry/pissed, too bad you prick.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:48 PM
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5. and the Reply:
Dear Ed, Thank you for your concerns. Unfortunately, we are trying to run a news organization and do not have time to respond in depth to a right wing quack lame duck administration. Good luck keeping you and the administration you support out of court.

Sincerely,
NBC News.
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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #5
22. Second!
That part about, "out of court."
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:52 PM
Response to Original message
6. Dear Ed:
FOAD.

signed
America
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:54 PM
Response to Original message
7. About that RW talking point "appeaser"
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. That was fantastic !!!
Finally tweety does something good!
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #7
52. that was great
I saw that earlier this week :rofl:
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #7
55. Kevin James isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, is he?
Apparently he thinks a screaming barrage of verbiage can compensate for his clueless state. Good dismantling of the 'Nazi appeaser' slogan by Matthews, but this hardly confirms the White House assertion that Mr. 'Sunny Nobility' is a liberal propagandist.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #7
63. I forgive Chris Matthews.
In one fell swoop, like the man said! That was great.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:58 PM
Response to Original message
8. I remember specifically that Ed Gillsepsie
distorted Kerry's statements during the Bush campaign - he is hardly one to talk.

Seems that they can distort all they want, and nobody dare complain - but when the shoe is on the other foot - oh my!
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #8
39. Gillespie is slime.
I used to have to wash up after seeing him on the Sunday shows. Very sleazy guy.
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:01 PM
Response to Original message
11. headline says "Letter from the White House to NBC News "
NOTHING about a woodshed???
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. The bottom link to the Time's The Page does.
nt
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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #15
26. so it does, thanks for letting me know, otherwise I would have remained
suspicious of the OP's intent. :hi:
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. Around these parts a little skepticism is a healthy thing!
:hi: back atcha!
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:15 PM
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14. How else will they know?
"If not, will the network publicly declare that the civil war has ended, or that it was wrong to declare it in the first place?"

This is critical information for the Bush White House. If NBC refuses to declare the civil war ended, Bush & Co. won't know if it is truly over nor be able to brief the Cabinet and Pentagon accordingly. Then again, if NBC declares that it was indeed a civil war that has not ended then the President and his Counsel will be free to update their crib notes.

It is important that NBC respond to this request as it is apparently a vital part of Bush's new national security plan. It would seem that this has now become a benchmark to them for ending this fiasco. So please NBC I beg that you let our President and his Counsel know: Is this a civil war? Has it ended?

:sarcasm:
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #14
25. You are mistaken...
It would have to be Fox, not NBC, that informs Bush since that is the only channel he ever has on.
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #25
38. :P Maybe NBC could broker a deal to Fox through PBS nt
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:19 PM
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16. I keep thinking Bushie wants to re-invent his WH years and in that end
will start a sort of PR campaign about disputing current perceptions. What could be better for us? McCain will have to live with the W legacy that W will be trotting out all the time.
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:23 PM
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17. Murdock's Vast Left Wing Conspiracy Continues....
This should give O’liely some more material he can use to justify his
war against Olbermann and the libul media.

They sound like a bunch of whiney arsed losers.
We’ve listened as these same liars took us into a phony war for WMD,
Spy on Americans, introduce Torture into the American lexicon and out
our very own CIA undercover operatives for political reasons while excusing
the crime of perjury which was the cause de jour of the late 90s.

Ahh, The fresh winds of change finally blowing the stench of
this right wing bullshit back at em.

Let em whine NBC, And don't forget what these evil bastards
did to Dan Rather and the CBS News Division. Be Ready !

P.S ESAD Rupert :puke:
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:27 PM
Response to Original message
18. Bush is laughable
NBC, the Dems, Obama, and anyone else Bush attacks should just laugh in his face. He's like a little bully who is holding his breath till he turns blue and stomping his little feet- "Look at me! I'm over here! Stop ignoring me! Boo Hoo. I'm still the president and don't forget it!!!" :banghead:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:31 PM
Response to Original message
19. Tender lips Ed has it coming from all directions
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:32 PM
Response to Original message
20. My word, the chutzpah!
K & R for you!
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:32 PM
Response to Original message
21. Polish that big ole turd, Ed.
There's a gig for you waiting in a certain library that has yet to be built.

Head Legacy Constructor: sure it's an impossible job, but it pays well.
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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:47 PM
Response to Original message
23. Pack dogs
This looks and smells like the White House attack dogging NBC on behalf of Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/18/AR2008051802313.html?nav=hcmodule
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:56 PM
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24. I posted in GD, with whole text from whitehouse website
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #24
31. They've probably been attacked before by the WH, but it was a phone
call from Rove so it couldn't be shown to the public. Betcha!
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:03 PM
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27. This is why our media is afraid to stand up to the admin
They're going to get swiftboated and fed like raw meat to their base of low-info, team obsessed voters.

Seems like a pretty petty thing to be afraid of, but let's see how far they go with it. Maybe another window into how Dan Rather was dismissed without CBS backing him up.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:13 PM
Response to Original message
28. Wow this is totally inappropriate of the WH to question NBC's "views".
It is ok for them to protest how an interview was edited but the rest is out of line and damn chilling in a democracy with a free press.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:33 PM
Response to Original message
30. i guess i like NBC news now
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. The enemy of my enemy............
Yep, NBC is lookin better in my book.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #32
45. exactly
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #30
41. Don't worry - they'll be back in line tonight. Tan Man Williams will
probably issue a slobbering apology for letting MSRNC get out of hand.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #41
44. sadly, probably true
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:51 PM
Response to Original message
33. The bu$h regime demands complete compliance by the media
They will make fools of anyone who does not play nice with the imbecile in chief
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:56 PM
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34. Gee, I wonder what O'Lielly's "Talking Points" are going to be about tonight?
As usual, more bashing of NBC News and GE just to go after Olbermann.

I'm sure Keith will respond.
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ToughLuck Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:05 PM
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35. I am hoping against hope that NBC responds with a distinct well articulated fuck you to Gillespie.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:09 PM
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36. Hey, Mr. Capus, tell them you will do it when they let Harriet and
KKKarl et al testify on Capitol Hill, oh, and throw in the recovery of the 3 million lost e-mails for good measure. What do they think they are, popular or something?
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:09 PM
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37. They're rephrasing his remarks because Obama is kicking his ass
about Iran. Iran is no USSR and Iran is no Nazi Germany, so stop trying to scare the murkins. Keep hitting them Barack, they got no bullets.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 06:19 PM
Response to Original message
40. But the R's can edit things to anything they want? Point is, bush
got his ass kicked for a remarkably stupid entry into his speech, let his words stand on their own or collapse like they always do...the man is an idiot.

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:30 PM
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43. Brass Balls by Ed
So NBC, MSNBC, & Keith Olbermann made bush say that crap
in front of the Knesset?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:10 AM
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47. Is this the same Ed Gillespie from BearStearns? n/t
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:26 AM
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48. At least NBC didn't back down.
"NBC News, as part of a free press in a free society, makes its own editorial decisions."
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:28 AM
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49. One more peice of evidence that the Propoganda Machine
continues
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:38 AM
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50. Didn't Olbermann address this last night?
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RussBLib Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:12 AM
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51. What a hypocrite Bush is
snip: "What I said was is that we need to take the words of people seriously."

And how about all the lies you've told, Bush? Like curbing carbon emissions? Like being a "compassionate conservative"? Like "the US does not torture"? Like Iraq and the WMD's. And on and on.

If we use Bush's criteria and take his words seriously, then Bush turns out to be one of the biggest liars ever to shit in the White House.

Yeah, gas isn't expensive enough yet. I guess he'll have to attack Iran to push it up to $200/bbl.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:33 PM
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53. Dear Ed;
Do the letters "FO" mean anything to you?

Warmly,

Steve

P.S. Lunch next Thursday?
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:10 AM
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54. It's funny how these assholes complain when you say there's civil war in Iraq.
Less than 2% of the fatalities in the Iraq war are American. If that 2% makes it a war for us, then the 50-times-greater death toll from Sunnis killing Shiites and vice versa certainly makes it a civil war for Iraq.

http://zfacts.com/p/466.html
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:24 AM
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56. "Are there numbers besides the 'government number' to go by?"
Edited on Wed May-21-08 03:29 AM by Lasher
Why yes, Ed, there are. And since you asked, there actually are very good reasons to believe the government unemployment numbers are suspect. Here is one of those reasons:

The popularly followed unemployment rate was 5.5% in July 2004, seasonally adjusted. That is known as U-3, one of six unemployment rates published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The broadest U-6 measure was 9.5%, including discouraged and marginally attached workers.

Up until the Clinton administration, a discouraged worker was one who was willing, able and ready to work but had given up looking because there were no jobs to be had. The Clinton administration dismissed to the non-reporting netherworld about five million discouraged workers who had been so categorized for more than a year. As of July 2004, the less-than-a-year discouraged workers total 504,000. Adding in the netherworld takes the unemployment rate up to about 12.5%.

http://www.shadowstats.com/article/54




The Shadow Government Statistics (SGS) Alternate Unemployment Rate reflects current unemployment reporting methodology adjusted for SGS-estimated "discouraged workers" defined away during the Clinton Administration added to the existing BLS estimates of level U-6 unemployment.

GDP reporting is bogus too.



http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:09 AM
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57. "Dear Corporate Whore Media,"
Please don't forget who owns you and for whom you work."

Regards,

Ed Gillespie
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:41 AM
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58. History ... repeats, ... Goebbellespie....
"Each fighting German soldier is therefore closer to our hearts than a thousand overly clever newspaper writers of a certain press that at best have good advice, but scarcely find a word of recognition and thanks for the heroic and sacrificial struggle that our Wehrmacht is also fighting for the preservation of the life of their peoples. The danger of Bolshevism, which threatens all of Europe, could be successfully resisted in the past year."

(31 December 1943: Despite the disasters of 1942, Goebbels predicts German victory.)

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb63.htm
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mikeytherat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:11 AM
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59. So "Taken to the woodshed" now means "Sent a sternly-worded letter."
Here are some others, feel free to add your own:

"Had a reasonable, adult conversation" = "Shoved that jerk's words right back down his throat!"

"Got into a small scuffle" = "Kicked that dude's ass like there was no tomorrow."

mikey_the_rat
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:56 AM
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60. ''NBC: only read the news WE fax to you.''
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Gen. Jack D. Ripper Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:19 AM
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61. Despicable. Utterly, utterly despicable.
GW is very combative and defensive in all his interviews, like a child who, out of sheer bitter stubbornness, refuses to acknowledge he is wrong, despite overwhelming evidence of the fact.
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