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barnel Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:01 AM
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Government reports low inflation
Edited on Wed May-14-08 10:02 AM by barnel
Source: AP

"Gasoline prices, even with the decline in April, were 20.9 percent higher than a year ago. "

Inflation pressures ease despite food price jump By MARTIN CRUTSINGER, AP Economics Writer
23 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Inflation pressures eased a bit in April despite the biggest jump in food prices in 18 years.

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The Labor Department reported Wednesday that consumer prices edged up 0.2 percent last month, compared to a 0.3 percent rise in March.

The lower inflation reflected a flat reading for energy, which helped offset a 0.9 percent jump in food costs as prices climbed for many basic items, from bread and milk to coffee and fresh fruits.

The unchanged reading for energy reflected a big 4.8 percent jump in natural gas prices, offset by a 2 percent decline in gasoline costs.

The reported drop in gasoline prices reflected the government's accounting process, which discounts expected seasonal price changes.

Since gasoline prices normally rise significantly in April, the 5.6 percent rise in prices for the month turned into a 2 percent drop after the government adjusted for normal seasonal changes. That was little comfort for motorists now paying record prices at the pump, which are nearing $4 per gallon.

Core inflation, which excludes food and energy, showed prices well behaved in April, rising by just 0.1 percent, compared to a 0.2 percent gain in March.

The 0.2 percent reading for the overall Consumer Price Index was slightly lower than the 0.3 percent rise that economists had been expecting and the 0.1 percent rise in core inflation was below the 0.2 percent reading that had been expected.

Those better-than-expected performances should ease concerns at the Federal Reserve that the sharp increase in food and energy prices this year would lead to broader inflation problems. However, economists cautioned that the recent surge in oil prices to record levels near $127 per barrel has yet to be felt at the consumer level.

Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics, said that the weak economy was starting to show up in lower prices in some areas. He noted that the price of hotel rooms dropped for a third straight month, falling by 1.9 percent in April, a reflection of cutbacks in business and vacation travel.

The Fed, fighting against a severe credit crunch and spreading economic weakness, has cut interest rates seven times since last September in an effort to keep the country from toppling into a recession.

However, last month it signaled that it might take a pause in the rate cuts, with some Fed officials expressing worries that further reductions in interest rates could trigger unwanted inflation. The central bank is expected to keep rates unchanged when officials next meet June 24-26.

So far this year, overall inflation is rising at an annual rate of 3 percent, down from a 4.1 percent increase for all of 2007. Core inflation, excluding energy and food, is up at an annual rate of 1.8 percent in the first four months of this year, compared with a 2.4 percent increase for all of 2007.

Even with the slowdown in price increases so far this year, workers' wages are not keeping up. A separate Labor Department report showed that average weekly earnings for nonsupervisory workers dropped by 1 percent in April compared with a year ago, after adjusting for inflation. It was the seventh straight month that inflation-adjusted wages were down compared to a year ago.

The combination of rising food and energy costs, weak wage gains and falling home prices have left households feeling squeezed, with consumer confidence readings plunging to recessionary levels.

While many economists believe the country is in a recession, other analysts contend that the country may be able to avoid a full-blown downturn, especially if consumers spend a sizable portion of the 130 million economic stimulus payments that the government is now sending out.

The overall surge in food prices of 0.9 percent was the largest one-month increase since food prices climbed 1.5 percent in January 1990.

Gasoline prices, even with the decline in April, were 20.9 percent higher than a year ago.

Clothing prices rose by 0.5 percent in April, even though discount stores reportedly engaged in heavy discounting in an effort to spur lagging sales.

New car prices fell by 0.2 percent last month, reflecting the trouble automakers are having with sagging demand in the face of a weak economy and soaring gasoline costs. Airline ticket prices, which had been surging because of more expensive jet fuel, fell by 0.5 percent last month but are still up significantly from a year ago.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080514/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy



"Gasoline prices, even with the decline in April, were 20.9 percent higher than a year ago. "

(gasoline, prices actually DID go down in April, when adjusted by the price inflater/deflater, meaning take the sum of all days in the month, and subtract only those days the price went up)

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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:05 AM
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1. Did anybody else miss the gasoline price decline in April?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:48 AM
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13. No kidding, I was wondering about that one, myself
because I sure as hell didn't see a 2% decline or anything close to it.

The rose colored glasses these guys are wearing are OPAQUE.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:25 PM
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35. The "drop" is an artefact.
It's the same kind of bookkeeping "correction" used to seasonally adjust unemployment rates. You know that there's a drop-off in service-sector personnel after Xmas and New Year's, it happens every year, so you factor it out. Otherwise you have decreased unemployment in December and increased unemployment in January, making those numbers fairly useless, and possibly masking some important trend.

Gas prices usually increase in the spring, with refineries shutting to retool for boutique blends, and boutique blends often costing more because they're made in smaller quantities. There's also usually the start of higher demand. Prices usually drop in the fall.

"The reported drop in gasoline prices reflected the government's accounting process, which discounts expected seasonal price changes.

"Since gasoline prices normally rise significantly in April, the 5.6 percent rise in prices for the month turned into a 2 percent drop after the government adjusted for normal seasonal changes. That was little comfort for motorists now paying record prices at the pump, which are nearing $4 per gallon."

If the prices don't rise as much as would be expected given past years, you wind up with fictitious price drops. On the other hand, if the prices hold steady throughout the summer and fall, you'll have exaggerated inflation come fall, so the annual totals don't matter.

We could claim political manipulation, but notice that last bit: "exaggerated inflation come fall." If the prices hold steady when they're expected to drop, the inflation figure will be higher than it actually is--there'll fictitious price increases to match the springtime fictitious price decreases. And that higher-through-creative-bookkeeping inflation rate will be reported in October, just before the elections.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:54 AM
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24. Oh come on, did you see the 1 cent decrease that lasted all of a day?
pul-leeeease.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:05 AM
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2. The government is full of shit.
The government has deliberately cooked inflation stats to avoid anything we actually have to buy in order to exist, such as food, fuel, housing, healthcare, etc. Instead the inflation numbers appear to be based on the cost of non-essential consumer crap at best buy.
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barnel Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:14 AM
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7. april gas prices
gasoline, prices actually DID go down in April, when adjusted by the price inflater/deflater, meaning take the sum of all days in the month, and subtract only those days the price went up
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barnel Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:24 AM
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9. april gas chart
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1920591

see, it only appears to go up

if you subtract those days in april that went up, it actually went down
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:59 AM
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26. If you subtract those days in Apr...
Heh Heh.

The Clinton Campaign could use you right now. "If you subtract out the states that she lost, and subtract out the states that Obama won..."
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:57 AM
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44. Yeah, and the gubmint also reports working at McDonalds is a "manufacturing job" too!
They are f'd up beyond relief now!
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:07 AM
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3. So what good is this report? It cost you more to live the same life you lived a month ago and yet
no inflation! The basic things that you need increase in price but they aren't counted or they ignore the increase.

The government reported that the moon is made of swiss cheese which accounts for all the creators on the surface.
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barnel Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:17 AM
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8. what it means is, the fed can keep printing
Edited on Wed May-14-08 10:21 AM by barnel
because core inflation is under control

core inflation, is general inflation, adjusted by the price inflater/deflater, ie take all prices, and subtract those prices of things you buy that go up

and it's probably true - discretionary items probably dont have inflation, because poeple are broke from food, energy, healthcare inflation

so high inflation, is actually low inflation, because only the things you NEED to buy are going up
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:07 AM
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4. Anything being reported by this Administration has less credibility
than a page from Alice in Wonderland.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:13 AM
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46. Alice laughed. `There's no use trying,' she said `one can't believe impossible things.'
`I daresay you haven't had much practice,' said the Queen. `When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast…”

Through the Looking Glass, Chapter 5
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:09 AM
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5. Government inflation figures have less truth in them than Bill O'Lielly.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:10 AM
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6. doubleplus good
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:37 AM
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10. More fucking "newspeak". This is getting like Soviet Russia of the 50's & 60's.
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barnel Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:41 AM
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11. no, it's different than Pravda
Edited on Wed May-14-08 10:41 AM by barnel
because nobody believed Pravda

a lie, that nobody believes, is relativly harmless
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:41 PM
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31. At end stage nobody believed Pravda.
But the soviet union lasted more than 70 years and the endstage didn't start until the last 20 years or so. Our crapfest has an ill-defined starting point: 1980, 1968, 1945, 1914, earlier? And we have no idea how long it will take for the general consensus to arrive at a Baghdad Bob consensus.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:47 AM
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12. Bull. Shit.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:50 AM
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14. Bull Shit #2...report does not include gas or food...sure
Inflation stayed the same if you do not include gas or food. Actually, inflation is rarely a product of a recession or depression. But in this case, with food and gas going thru the roof, who knows what is in store?...(except that in the store the prices are much higher)
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:51 AM
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15. We are getting screwed more slowly. n/t
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:51 AM
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16. They really do think we are that stupid.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:47 AM
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22. Or like Cheney Said a few weeks ago: "So what?"
They own the media, they control the election machinery.

Nothing to report here. Move along.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:15 AM
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17. The good news is.....
the price of your house hasn't gone up!
Hmmm, maybe I should get a 30 year fixed rate for gas and groceries and pay for housing by the week..... :think:
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:20 AM
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18. Official Inflation Figures Only Cover the Cost of the Crap We Buy from China
and as we know, that stuff doesn't go up in price, the quality simply goes down some more.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:28 AM
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19. Yeah, and on those days it did go up, boy did it go up! $0.25 - $0.35 at a time!
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:36 AM
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20. The question is not IF they are lying, but WHY
The inflation rate (CPI) is one of the great government lies that has gone largely unchallenged for 40 years. There are all sorts of things pegged to the CPI, not the least of which are many of the entitlement programs and taxes. If the CPI reflected the true changes in the cost of living, the government would be obligated for TRILLIONS more in transfs to the lower and middle classes.

By manipulating the CPI, the forces that truly run the country are able to archive a large part of their dream to create a "smaller" government that serves the public less and has more money avail to send to the giant corporate interests.

It is intentional, systematic, and insidious.

Cheap Labor Republicans . here is more than one way to skin a cat, and they use them all.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:37 AM
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21. As housing, energy, and food don't count, what inflation?
Edited on Wed May-14-08 11:37 AM by ckramer
As long as the government takes these out of the stats, everything is wonderful!


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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:48 AM
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23. I suppose the housing price collapse is good for SOMETHING
the good news on this is that people know that the Bushies are lying about it. when the official report is so far removed from their actual experience, they just laugh it off and keep plugging.

Obama should use this in his campaign, big-time. "Once again the Bush administration is telling you that everything's fine. That's because the GOP elitist base isn't affected by gas or food prices. But everyone else is, and I am going to help ind a solution".
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:55 AM
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25. so it appears as of the last few tricks in the bag by our failed government*
is nothing more than clapping harder and telling the band to play louder.
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:00 PM
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27. This insures no Soc Sec cost of living raises above 2 to 3% next January
Edited on Wed May-14-08 12:02 PM by wishlist
I believe Feb came in at zero inflation and you can be sure there will be another couple of months of 'officially' close to zero inflation by years end.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:02 PM
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29. Ding! Ding! Winner!!!!!!
nt
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:30 PM
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30. dead center bullseye!
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:43 PM
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32. Welcome to the nightmare!
We are being gamed over and over and over again.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:01 PM
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28. Clap your hands if you believe!! Clap! Clap!
Or Tinkerb...I mean, the economy won't prosper!!!


Polish that turd!
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:46 PM
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33. So as the "slowdown" continues
Will we see the prices of of goods from China go up or down. I kind of think they might reduce the price on lots of that junk just to get rid of it. We may see inflation dropping like a stone!
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:02 PM
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34. Shit, does that mean we're heading into DEFLATION?
economists usually fear this more than INFLATION...:scared:
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 03:40 PM
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36. barnel, a reminder for the future
DU copyright rules ask that you post no more than 4 paragraphs from a source, along with the link. Thank you.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 03:51 PM
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37. Fuck core inflation, if it doesn't include food and energy, it isn't worth a shit in
reflecting reality.

"Core inflation, which excludes food and energy, showed prices well behaved in April, rising by just 0.1 percent, compared to a 0.2 percent gain in March."

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 03:54 PM
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38. What bullshit!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:00 PM
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39. Liars 1 believers 0 I get the feeling the House of Cards are
about to fall down

Nobody Believes these numbers Nobody

the person who puts these lies out needs to be fired and sued
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:18 PM
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40. kick for the smell of this one
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 11:38 PM
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41. Yeah right , tell that to my bank account
:eyes:
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Earth Bound Misfit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 12:06 AM
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42. the 5.6 percent rise in prices for the month turned into a 2 percent drop

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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 12:13 AM
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43. I call bullshit!
They're just setting up for another putrid increase in SS benefits for 2009.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 03:54 AM
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45. Geez. How's the weather on their planet?
And do the unicorns bite?
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