Valerie Plame Wilson Describes Sibel Edmonds Disclosures as 'Stunning'

[BradBlog]

Source: American AM, BRAD BLOG



Valerie Plame Wilson Describes Sibel Edmonds Disclosures as 'Stunning'
Says She Been Following Recent Blockbuster Series in British Paper Concerning U.S. Nuclear Secrets Espionage, Allegations That Her Cover Company, Brewster Jennings, Was Exposed by a Former High-Ranking State Department Official as Long Ago as 2001...

Former CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson says the recent disclosures in the UK's Sunday Times concerning the sale of U.S. nuclear secrets to the foreign black market, as aided by high-ranking government officials, are "stunning."

The previously covert agent, who had worked in the agency's counter-proliferation division for years, monitoring traffic in the nuclear black market under the guise of a cover company named Brewster Jennings, until being outed by Administration officials, was asked about the recent series of explosive stories in the British paper during an interview this morning with Florida radio host Henry Raines of American AM.

Those disclosures include allegations that Brewster Jennings was outed to Turkish officials as a CIA front, by State Department official Marc Grossman, as early as 2001...

FULL STORY, AUDIO, TRANSCRIPT: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5685


Read more: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5685

[wildbilln864]

1. K&R damnit!

Waxman! Let Sibel tell her story! :grr:

[someone else]

19. K&R?

Hey, take it easy on me....... I'm new and aparently slow too.
What is K&R?

[Jackpine Radical]

23. Kick & recommend.

When you post on a thread, you automatically "kick" it to the top of its discussion forum. If you don't have anything to say, you can just say "Kick" or use the little donkey thing like this :kick:

At the bottom of the post that starts a thread, there is a little "recommend" button. You can click on it to recommend the thread. If a thread gets 5 or more recommends from people, it gets listed on the Greatest page (which you can view by clicking on the yellow "Greatest" star to the right of the black & red DU logo at the top of the page.

Hope that helps.

[someone else]

24. Thanks

[frogcycle]

55. speaking of which

shouldn't that be more like 25 instead of five?

Practically everything gets 5, making it meaningless

[Mister Ed]

26. Here's a link to the handy-dandy DU glossary

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x190#k

When you get there, you can click on the "Bookmark this thread" link near the upper left so that you'll always be able to find it quickly.

Welcome to DU!

:toast:

P.S. You only get to learn the secret handshake after the initiation ceremony and the branding...

:evilgrin:

[davidwparker]

78. Welcome to DU.

[tbyg52]

2. K&R

I hate living in "interesting times" when I feel like the good guys are banging at the door and shouting from the bottom of the well to no avail....

[UpInArms]

15. you do know that the

"interesting times" things was a Chinese curse, don't you?

[King Coal]

46. Knowledge can be such a burden. But, the truth must be carried.

[tbyg52]

97. Yep, that's why I put it in quotes

I believe it's also the title of a Terry Pratchett book.

[Stevepol]

3. K&R!

[Usrename]

4. kick for courage!

:patriot:

[bluesmail]

5. dammit, K & R dammit K & R dammit

frustrating as all hell.

[santamargarita]

6. TREASON!

Unfortunately the Bush Crime Family will go free!

[LiberalHeart]

7. Kickety, kick, kick, kick

[stellanoir]

8. if one connects the dots

one sees the unbelievably treasonous connections that Brewster Jennings and Edmonds were tracking.

The involvement of crashcart, rove, and libby and their connection to A.Q. Kahn is notorious.

Gee and I wonder if they are having a nice day in Pakistan.

This is criminal.

We are entirely bereft of representative leadership and the rule of law.

[blm]

9. Here's hoping Valerie sees the WHOLE story AND the REAL timeline.

And acts accordingly.

[AntiFascist]

17. K&RRR, AGREED...hopefully she has seen this website...

http://oraclesyndicate.twoday.net/stories/4677486/

Q: Do you know anything about some US officials selling nuclear secrets to others?

A: I do, but only through my American contacts in the Intelligence and the FBI. Some corrupt US officials of the Department of Defence and State Department facilitated the theft of US nuclear secrets (technology) from American national laboratories -- Los Alamos and Sandia -- to customers in several countries, including Pakistan. This procedure involved Israeli and Turkish intelligence and also Pakistan's ISI.

Dr A Q Khan's laboratories were brokers for nuclear proliferation to other countries, including Algeria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, Myanmar and other states looking for nuclear technology. This information first surfaced five years ago through reports of a Turkish-American FBI translator, Ms Sibel Edmonds. She was gagged by US court decision and only recently she disclosed more information, which is still being blocked by the Bush Administration. It was revealed in part by three articles, published by "The Sunday Times" in London on the 6th, 20th and 26th of January 2008 (with my contribution).

Q: Is it correct that US officials sold nuclear secrets not only to Pakistan but also to Israel and some Arab countries?

A: Of course, they did. The main recipient of the most of the US nuclear information was always Israel, specifically after the capture, sentencing and jailing of their main spy in the USA. Jonathan Pollard, whose handler was a former top Israeli intelligence officer Rafi Eitan (now member of the Israeli government and chairman of the Pensioners Party).

[blm]

18. Exactly - gee - aren't we SO glad BCCI was deep-sixed including AQ Khan matters?

So how will this thread survive in GD now that it ADDS to our argument?

[AntiFascist]

21. The INSLAW thread survived, that is very encouraging!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2836046

[BeHereNow]

10. And not a blip on the US media about it...

"Stunning" is not a strong enough word to describe
either issue.

BHN

[Jackpine Radical]

31. Maybe that's it.

Maybe the US media are stunned. Like with a stun gun. Maybe that's why they haven't printed anything.

[navarth]

I'm sure the US media will get around to it

as soon as we're done with the REALLY important story about The Super Bowl being FIXED by K-Fed's ex-girlfriend who's MISSING IN ARUBA after giving STEROIDS to Roger Clemens' wife. I mean, first things first.

:grr: ...okay deep breath..



I'm still waiting to hear about this on KO. Has he talked about it? Did I miss it? If not, then.....WTF.....

I've tried a couple of times to email him, no luck. Anybody able to get him a message? Maybe with Valerie picking it up it can get some traction.

[navarth]

36. dupe

as soon as we're done with the REALLY important story about The Super Bowl being FIXED by K-Fed's ex-girlfriend who's MISSING IN ARUBA after giving STEROIDS to Roger Clemens' wife. I mean, first things first.

:grr: ...okay deep breath..



I'm still waiting to hear about this on KO. Has he talked about it? Did I miss it? If not, then.....WTF.....

I've tried a couple of times to email him, no luck. Anybody able to get him a message? Maybe with Valerie picking it up it can get some traction.

[ClayZ]

11. K and R

[robertpaulsen]

12. TTT!

:kick:

[Baby Snooks]

13. And no doubt entertaining to Madame Speaker...

So what has Congress done? Nothing. Thanks to Madame Speaker. The Empress serving the Emperor. And serving him quite well.

[melody]

14. More BFEE acts of treason

But then when they're an enemy of state working for outside interests inside our country, I suppose they don't see it as treason.

[bleever]

16. K&R.

Thanks for covering this, Brad.

[lisainmilo]

64. Yes....THANK YOU Brad for covering this!

Connecting all the dots...,more and more it is realized we are living in a state run government, very scary times. I only hope all of this comes out in M$M. I also wonder if Butto's assassination has anything to do with any of this.

[libodem]

20. I can't wait for the movie

Michael Moore paging Michael Moore...the whole world but especially the closed-minded Americans need to know the truth.

[OKthatsIT]

112. You think Hillary will UNGAG Sibel? HA!

Hillary is going to win because the Bush's, the GOP, the Bilderbergs want her to take control of all investigations. And you better be glad they're succeeding in rigging the election.....because Bush would have only one recourse...another 9/11 and martial law.

The movie? That might be possible...if they haven't already sotted someone elses script with the ame genre.

[Divine Discontent]

22. thanks Brad eom

[Lint Head]

25. We the people have been neutered. We can vote Obama or

Hillary in but nothing is going to change without drastic steps. First Bush and Cheney need to be impeached. Then they need to be tried, with a flimsy persumption of innocence, and thrown into jail. This would do more to heal this country than anything else. Pulling the troops out of Iraq would save the country from financial disaster that even Obama and Hillary will never be able to fix in their lifetimes.
The facts are stubborn things. VP Agnew was thrown into prison and the country was not damaged.
Reid and Pelosi are surrogate republicans. Not to mention COWARDS! It's obvious. Traitors have been given a pass regarding FISA. Now it's the US citizen that needs to do something about it.

You can perceive you are flying when you jump off of a 50 story building but eventually the fact you are hitting concrete brings the reality into perspective. The criminal shit has to stop now! :dem:

[amborin]

65. agreed, except Reid is a good guy

remember, they had a delicate situation since dems did not have a majority in congress....they didn't have room to maneuver

Reid is an honorable man, he's deeply against the iraq invasion and cares deeply about our troops

[electropop]

88. Regardless of whether they could get the votes,

it's their sworn duty to "support and defend the Constitution."

Clearly in this case that duty would include the investigation, and impeachment of those who commit numerous major crimes against the Constitution.

The oath does not include any exceptions for political convenience.

The oath:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."

[amborin]

91. too simplistic

i'm as in favor of impeachment of cheney, bush, and crew as anyone

but for Reid and Pelosi to have pushed for that, no, not a good idea

dems only just won a bit of power in congress....they are trying to navigate in the minefield of republican treacheries

to press for impeachment would have opened dems up to further charges of divisiveness, etc....would have dragged out, we would not have won, etc.....

you have to pick your battles carefully

[Gonnuts]

92. Bullshit!!!

:wtf:

There were two mandates for the 06' elections - one: Iraq - get us out! Not only did they NOT do this they continued funding and INCREASED the war. Two: accountability, hold those that put us into this mess accountable for CRIMES that they have committed.

Right after the 06' elections there was high expectations and Congress had approval ratings in the mid-sixties, but once it became clear that Pelosi was standing firm against holding criminals accountable their approval dropped into SINGLE digits! So just who are they worried about? Certainly not the people. What "strategy" and for whose benefit? What "divisiveness"? Could it be anymore divisive than it is already? Who gives a shit about what a bunch of Republican criminals say? It's We the People they should be worried about and apparently WE don't matter. And where was all this worry when they impeached Clinton? It didn't seem that any of these lame excuses came up then? So what makes this so different?

If you have a criminal in your house you don't wait until he leaves after he's stolen all your things, raped and killed your family before you call the cops. You don't make excuses that you don't want to disturb the neighbors, or create further "division" with the criminal. Want you do is STOP them ASAP and damn everything else! Laws are being broken - people are DYING because of these miserable bastards - and your nuancing strategy - please - give us a break ...

[amborin]

96. my nuancing strategy?

wow, you sound just like George W....only able to see things in black and white

there was way more to the situations than you realize...you have to read a lot of little marks on the page to understand the complexity of it.....

i'm as anti war and anti bush as you can find....but impeachment proceedings would have been a disaster

and--dems did push to end the war....but if you read the articles at the time, you'd realize they could not maneuver or they'd risk losing their shaky power ....

nuance is good.....too bad bush didn't get that point

reality is messy, you can't force it into black and white categories

[electropop]

107. Impeachment of Clinton was a disaster - because it was based on crap.

The nuance here is that there are REAL grounds for impeachment of Bushit. Voters can tell the difference, despite what Congress (on both sides) seem to believe. The impeachment of Clinton was a failed ploy to make voters believe that all impeachments are bullshit.

[electropop]

106. We do have to pick our battles carefully and impeachment should be

the first one. It's the most important one because nothing else could be accomplished without doing that first. As we have now seen.

It's completely wrongheaded to avoid impeachment because voters might not like impeachment. The reverse is true and Dems lost huge amounts of political capital by shirking this all-important mandate.

[juno jones]

27. K&R

[lovuian]

50. Traitors in the Whitehouse and hidden protected

and Justice Department where are you???

Fitz should investigate what Sibel has revealed

Right

Plame case is still open right

[jcla]

66. Justice Department?

With Attorneys General as Gonzales and Mukasey you can ask that question. The Bush run crime syndicate wins again... No news in U. S. Media proves that.

[LiberalFighter]

28. Marc Grossman info

From Wikipedia

On 25 January 2008, Joshua Frank at dissidentvoice.org headlined "Why Bush Wants to Legalize the Nuke Trade with Turkey," and presented evidence, from recent articles in The Times and elsewhere, in which FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds alleges that the Bush Administration is trying to cover up corrupt private sales of U.S. nuclear secrets to the A.Q. Khan network in Pakistan via Turkey, in which Marc Grossman was allegedly involved. Reportedly, a request which Bush "quietly announced on January 22 that the president would like Congress to approve the sale of nuclear secrets to Turkey" aimed to protect the people who had sold these secrets. "As with most stories of this magnitude, the U.S. media has put on blinders, opting not to report" it.

[KoKo]

29. Yet...Henry Waxman is focused on Roger's supposed Steroid Use..which is OLD news!

They ALL USE IT.... WHY is Roger being singled out for Waxman's Hearing when BUSH/CHENEY CRIMES make Everything PALE BY COMPARISON? :shrug:

Come on Henry...get off the "Sports Stuff." Roger is a friend of the White House/Bush...you aren't going anywhere with this...it will be DEAD END like your pitiful hearings about Bush/Cheney to begin with.

Give me a BREAK...going after Roger when our DEMOCRACY/CONSTITUTION is in TOTAL PERIL? How can you JUSTIFY THIS DISTRACTION, Henry? :shrug:

[whistle]

30. Marc Grossman had his fingers up everyones ass...

...Time to impeach Bush and Cheney, Condi Rice, need to get KKKarl Rove and I think revisit Scooter Libby for Christ's sake! These bastards need to be removed from circulation now.

Look here at Marc Grossman's friends:

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=5012&name=Marc-Grossman

[bobthedrummer]

32. "A Sibel Edmonds Timeline-'We Can't Afford to Let Them Spill the Beans'"

(archived Octafish thread started 1-29-2008)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2788127

[wildbilln864]

34. Thanks bob...

another eye opening thread from Octafish! :hi:



Impeach, Indict, and Imprison the criminals!

[Wapsie B]

33. Dear god, why doesn't someone like Pelosi or Conyers wake up and do something?

The repugs have got to have a gun to someone's head. Literally.

[CaptJasHook]

75. They have a lighter held to the Constitution

The Corporatists have had a gun to the head of Democracy for the last 14 years. And they are absolutely crazy enough to use it.

They are the real terrorists.

[Wapsie B]

81. Oh yes that's very true.

Worship the flag but screw the Constitution. :eyes:

[Gonnuts]

93. Only one answer

We don't have a government - we have a Criminal Organization in which they're ALL involved.

One must remember that Sibel Edmonds case goes back to 1997. BOTH parties are implicated. What the revelations would uncover is that our ENTIRE government has been corrupted. Hench, nothing will come of this. You'd be asking those that are guilty to have expose themselves. And that simply will never happen.

[mojowork_n]

35. Based on what her former job was, who would know better how important this could be? n/t

[Tuesday_Morning]

37. k & r

[flashl]

38. K&R n/t

[Doctor_J]

39. Yes, it stunned our Congress into a coma

:eyes:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

40. K

[Peace Patriot]

41. It's interesting how this works--how the bad news of official crime and treason,

if it has any life at all--via a whistleblower (upfront, or anon), or leaks, or by whatever means--is laundered through foreign press (UK, France, Germany and others), and then slowly penetrates, or re-penetrates, the U.S., with the process acting like a kind of inoculation. 'Oh, the Bush Junta sold nukes to Pakistan, what else is new?'

And now: 'Oh, the Bush Junta outed Plame in 2001, to Turkey, to cover the tracks of their nuclear deals.' !!

Here's Plame, quoted at Bradblog...

"'I think it's very interesting that it's showing up across the pond and not here at all, in any of our newspapers,' Plame Wilson said."

She laments the "supine" U.S. media, but I'm questioning more than that. Whistleblowers, and investigators as well, have little choice, when they have allegations against Bushdom, but to seek alternative, and often outside, venues, to tell what they know. So a Rupert Murdoch paper like the London Times accommodates them--to begin the inocuation process? in truth, not to reveal the scandal but to diffuse its impact?

It's a thought. It explains why Edmonds has been black-holed up til now, but that she starts getting some coverage, first from outside the country--in an inoculation process--now that the Bush Junta is (hopefully) almost over.

And it reminds me of the Rove strategy that Patrick Fitzgerald uncovered, in the Libby trial, of touting Plame/B-J around town, then claiming that "everybody knew" (i.e., she was not deliberately outed).

------------

And here's a stunner from Plame:

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5685

"...until I was outed, I was focused almost to the exclusion of anything else on just trying to run safe and effective operations, trying to figure out what the hell was going on in Iraq, what were the scientists, what were they doing, where were their secret sites. For me personally it wasn't until Colin Powell, General Colin Powell, gave his speech before the U.N. in February 2003, right before the war, that, as I write in my book, it was sort of the first time that I got my head out of the operational weeds and said, "Wait a minute. What he (Colin Powell) is saying does not match with my, with my understanding and my knowledge of the intelligence on this issue." And I would, I just felt absolutely sick because I knew that what he was saying, it sounded much more robust than what it was in reality. And I just thought, uh!, I just hope someone well above me in the ranks knew, had much better access to information than I did, because it just did not match up. I felt absolutely sick at heart about it."

Colin Powell. Supposedly Mr. Innocent. Mr. Good Guy. Pushed around by the NeoCons. Lied to, etc., etc. Or, bullied into lying. He knew. If Valerie Plame knew, he knew. And lo and behold, the first Plame leak was out of the State Dept.!

[rucognizant]

67. YEH,HE KNEW.......

AND I knew he knew!
First Colin Powell's voice BREAKS when he lies!
Second: They covered the antiwar tapestry after Picasso's Guernica, hanging in the UN SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT SPEECH! It was there the day before & back the following day!
( If Nixon hadn't cut funding for the Arts in schools in '73, more average citizens, would be aware of details like this!)
But then I guess being retired, gives me an edge. I can watch cspan all day while doing artwork in my studio.
I saw a bright positive Colin Powell ( no breaking voice) in a meeting at Poppy Bushes library with a prominent Chinese Leader, discussing "Business". Or "bidness" as Molly Ivins would have said.............. Yup he was one of the boys that day!

[bobthedrummer]

42. "More Evidence of Pre-9/11 Inside Trading: Follow the Money? God forbid.

Why was the cashing out of billions of dollars just before 9/11 never investigated?" by Jim Hogue (Baltimore Chronicle 1-29-2008)
http://baltimorechronicle.com/2008/012908Hogue.shtml

Jim Hogue has interviewed Sibel Edmonds and wrote about her in previous articles published by The Baltimore Chonicle. This Fiscal Commentary was published by The Baltimore Chronicle January 29, 2008.

Fair use cited.

[starchimes]

47. Very interesting article.

[bobthedrummer]

49. It certainly is.

[bobthedrummer]

51. Here's another interesting fact, in 2004 the DoJ ordered libraries

to destroy manuals used by the DoJ Criminal Division's Asset Forfeiture Section.

Researcher Michael Ravnitzky filed FOIA and other requests for those and similar updated manuals that the DoJ had ordered libraries to destroy.

Ravnitzky's requests were granted in 2006 and the manuals are archived on Russ Kick's The Memory Hole.
http://thememoryhole.com/doj/2006_manuals.htm

I see a pattern within a compatible time frame here in the context of the Jim Hogue article upthread-government investigators charged with the responsibility of following the financial leads of black budget networks and other money laundering crimes being denied the ability to do so by high officials of the corrupt Bush administration.

Of course I could be wrong.

[reddpine]

59. ....................

Interesting facts. I wasn't aware of all this. I wonder what other dirty shit the government is hiding from us.

[Caria]

43. K & R

[lala_rawraw]

44. Ah, guys? Have you heard the whole thing?

There is another nugget of big news at 34:00 in:
http://americanam.podOmatic.com/entry/2008-02-12T09_45_52-08_00

[mmonk]

70. Interesting.

Thanks for the link.

[blm]

86. it cut out for me....

do you have a transcript of this part?

[lala_rawraw]

98. no... he asks her about Iran

;)

[blm]

101. I'll take a guess.....AQ Khan network?

.

[lala_rawraw]

102. she confirms it in general

which is the first i have heard her confirm it in public.

[blm]

103. Y'know, I've been called a whackjob because I focus on these issues and the people

around these issues.

I find it amazing even here at DU that so many Dems with access to this information have so much trouble wrapping their brains around the facts and piecing them together. And because THEY cannot they dismiss as whackjobs or consiracy theorists those who have followed the issues for years and DO get it.

[Zorra]

45. "the story became front page news around the world, as the U.S. media continues,

incredibly enough, to ignore it."

Thanks again, Brad, for being one of our few media bright spots.

[lonestarnot]

48. Woo thanks to whomever kicked this! I almost missed it!

[Kaleko]

52. Kick to high heaven

[peacetalksforall]

53. It may seem like I'm off topic, but hear me out. I think what is happening

involves something drastic happening to us this year.

Think back, starting with the network cameras in the room with the Bushes the evening they stole the election. After announcing for Gore, Bill Bennett came out and said not so fast and alluding to other news to come. The message that came through from the scans of their faces was absolute confidence and arrogance. Think arrogance.

We on DU have repeatedly discussed the displays of unlimited arrogance - from Cheney to Rove to Rice to Bolton to Perle to Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, many Generals - and many, many Republoican operatives who host and guest on tv and radio - in their Congress and their reverend partners.

When we are able to unravel stories behind the stories, including a rather non-plussed attitude to missing trillions of money to a certain disconcern for the lies that caused deaths, theft, torture.

Take a look at the sloppy work alledged to involve Michael Ledeen and the Niger letters - an arrogance of sloppiness.

Take a look at the arrogance of ordering, then bragging about and defending torture.

Take a look at their audacity in hiring a private mercenary army - assigning it to the State Dept and letting them operate on their own or sometimes with or for the military.

Now, take a micro look at one individual - Marc Grossman. A professional deal maker - he didn't think he would get caught. He is not caught in the terms of handcuffs, he's been caught on paper. Arrogant. I might suggest that he is not worried.

They have all been displaying this arrogance of actions, arrogance of righteousness. It is as if they are obsessed on always moving things forward, pushing things forward, they are in lock step with each other to succeed with each doing their parts. They display an arrogance that sends the message that we are right and we will achieve. They didn't expect to get caught and they still don't. There will be no one to prosecute them. They are not afraid of us.

We're nearly at the point where they must continue beyond next January - they show an arrogance that it will happen by the horeendous crimes they are committing, the signing statements, the executive orders - no one is stopping them - there is no action coming from our Dem leaders. Perhaps they are being blackmailed - told that if they do anything they will bomb someone. That is just as understandable and credible as why they arre not doing anything.

These team players in their destiny are not going to have to steal votes anymore - they can just declare martial law - they can declare that the courts are closed - they can remove our methods of communicating. They can order us to just go shopping, watch and participate in sports, follow tv, talk about celebrities, learn more about prison life, and keep paying for their endeavors - for their profit and our control.

There are two kinds of getting caught - the truth coming out - and punishment. They don't seem to bother that much about the truth coming out - it doesn't reduce their levels of arrogance - they have a plan. This is where the arrogance comes from - just as the Bushes had it when they sat and beamed at the cameras on that November overnight in 2000.

And today we learn that there are business goons working for the FBI in an organized way with permissions to shoot.

[JohnyCanuck]

54. Try Googling this phrase

"Continuity of Government Measures WERE Implemented on 9/11 . . . Were They EVER Revoked?" and read the information in the links that come up. Admittedly it is somewhat speculative, but if true, it could perhaps help explain this:

They have all been displaying this arrogance of actions, arrogance of righteousness. It is as if they are obsessed on always moving things forward, pushing things forward, they are in lock step with each other to succeed with each doing their parts. They display an arrogance that sends the message that we are right and we will achieve. They didn't expect to get caught and they still don't. There will be no one to prosecute them. They are not afraid of us. (emphasis added /JC)

and this

There are two kinds of getting caught - the truth coming out - and punishment. They don't seem to bother that much about the truth coming out - it doesn't reduce their levels of arrogance - they have a plan. This is where the arrogance comes from - just as the Bushes had it when they sat and beamed at the cameras on that November overnight in 2000.

[kelligesq]

57. What has been described here is

a coup of the Constitutional government into a dictatorship

and it couldnt have happened without the cooperation of the corporate owned media

and the cooperation of those in Congress...obviously the republicans agreed

but when the democrats took over in 2006 and still havent uttered a peep it is

either a question of blackmail or threat of death or harm to their families, or

they too are in agreement with converting to a dictatorship.

Let's not forget the anthrax sent to Daschel and was it Leahy? which was traced

to be the same formula as stored in US reserves.....and the fact that like Osama

the mailer of the anthrax has never been found.

Der Fuehrer lives, they cooperated, and the people are going duh what happened.

There are only a few in the army who have refused to cooperate, now the question

is why are they also allowing this to happen. Conveneient isn't it that the

complete national guard and army is out of the country.

But - nothing will happen until Blackwater SS gets back into this country to

back up der Fuhrer is my view.

Now Europe is receding back to der Fuhrer's days. They will fingerprint any

foreigners coming into Europe.

Bush and the G-8, Bilderburg,Trilateral, have succeeded in making the world

their police state.

[kelligesq]

58. K & R

[AikidoSoul]

77. You are using almost the same words that I have used to think about

this. Yes! They have no intention of giving up power. Their arrogance knows no limits. They are dead set to achieve EVERYTHING they set out to achieve no matter what it is they have to do. They will plan and execute some really, really, big disaster "attack" that will throw the county into chaos. They will declare martial law. The elections will be canceled. They will tell our citizens that we have come to a crossroads in history and that we need to change the way our government is run.

It's all in the works now. The pieces are in place. Count on it.

[noise]

56. The media cheerleading hasn't helped

Authoritarianism equated to patriotism...the notion that cheerleading for these corrupt assholes=patriotism. Now they want us to believe that accepting torture is patriotic.

It is beyond sick. Then they hide behind soldiers. The same soldiers Bremer screwed with his Shock Doctrine BS.

[307 MMS]

87. noise

My apologies for missing your post. Damn...I could not have said it better. You friggin' nailed it, my friend! Bremer and his piece of shit ME"T"AL can kiss my veteran ass. He should be the one on the box with his junk attached to...oh, nevermind! a la Emily LaTella!!!

[blm]

72. I agree.

And I believe you are right about 2000 and I have no doubt they needed to steal 2004, too. It all comes down to WHAT they control.

And I would bet anything there are a few powerful Democrats helping them along the way.


http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[Lugnut]

60. K&R n/t

[Kurovski]

61. K&R. (nt)

[ronnie624]

62. I can't think of a truer statement:

"Many, if not most, covert operations deserve to be disclosed by a free press. They are often covert not only because they are illegal but because they are wildly ill-conceived and reckless," Ellsberg wrote in reference to the disturbing allegations in the Edmonds case. "Such activities persist, covertly, to the point of national disaster because the press neglects what our First Amendment was precisely intended to protect and encourage it to do: expose wrongdoing by officials."

[Norrin Radd]

63. kr

[hwmnbn]

68. morning K&R for two ...

real American heroes.

[mmonk]

69. Thanks Brad.

Very good. Keep it on a constant boil.

[Joanne98]

71. kick

[SpiralHawk]

73. The k and the r

Bring down the republicon traitors to America.

[susu369]

74. K & R

:kick:

[AikidoSoul]

76. We need more stunned people

the only place in the U.S. I've heard this discussed is on LaShow with Harry Shearer.

Kick and recommend.

Thank you Brad.

Pelosi.... you are a shame to this country!

Waxman -- where are your cojones?

[montanto]

79. I'm stunned too,

that after years and years of revelatations that were supposed to break this administration open that nothing at all has happened. I'm going back to sleep.

[me b zola]

80. K&R

:kick:

[307 MMS]

82. Stunning!? Stunning!?

How 'bout f*ckin' treasonous? Does that count for something? What in whatever deity's name is it going to take to get this Congress to act against this totally out of control administration? Pardon me but...for fuck's sake, who in hell are we, as a country, anymore?!!! I swear, I never thought I'd see the day when Congress just keeps rolling over to these criminal's whims. It'll be interesting to see if Infragard's influence shows up before inauguration Jan/'09 and we do see martial law and King Dick, never mind George. He'll be out of the way by then. Or......am I that paranoid?!?! Holy shit........

[blm]

85. Pretty much like many of us feel here. There ARE powerful Dems who know DAMN WELL what's

been going on, and frankly, I am surprised at Plame and Wilson not being sharper about this earlier.

[JohnyCanuck]

83. Call And Ask Henry Waxman If He Will Please Investigate Treason

in the State Department as reported in the London Times

Here are some contact numbers:

2204 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
[phone] (phone)
[phone] (fax)

8436 West Third Street, Suite 600
Los Angeles, CA 90048
[phone] (phone)
[phone] (phone)
[phone] (phone)
[phone] (fax)

http://www.henrywaxman.house.gov/contact.htm

On this Youtube video (below) you can watch Waxman state at a town hall meeting in Santa Monica, CA that he has no intention of having hearings into Sibel Edmonds (increasingly substantiated) allegations of treason and black market profiteering (at the 5:21 & 9:05 mark):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wei_hJdwkxY

[robertpaulsen]

90. This morning, Waxman was on CNN, FOX,CNBC & MSNBC investigating...

whether Roger Clemens took steroids or not.

Waxman is hopeless.

[Geek_Girl]

84. K&R

:dem:

[bobthedrummer]

89. "Former FBI Translator Sibel Edmonds Calls Current 9/11 Investigation Inadequate" by Jim Hogue

(Baltimore Chronicle 5-7-2004)

http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml

Fair use cited.

[still_one]

94. What does it matter?

Congress does nothing about it, and the U.S. press ignores it

It could be as "stunning" as hell, and it won't mean a thing

[progressoid]

95. Yep. Aside from a few of us informed denizens of the internet, no one else knows or gives a damn.

[still_one]

100. That is why I am so cynical /nt

[blm]

109. And what you get in return for vigilance of these matters? "CT" "Whacko"

and worse.

[myrna minx]

99. Kick n/t

[bobthedrummer]

104. k

[truthisfreedom]

105. Not to make light, but "Valerie Plame Wilson Describes Sibel Edmonds as 'Stunning'"

Is how it reads to me every time I see this thread.

Either way, tis the truth.

[Uncle Joe]

108. Too bad one of these two didn't take steroids, maybe the corporate media would've covered this story

Too late to recommend.

Thanks for the thread, bradblog.

[bobthedrummer]

110. Marc Grossman, Christopher Deliso has mentioned him for quite awhile

"Lesser Neocons of L'Affaire Plame" by Christopher Deliso (11-24-2005 AntiWar.com)
http://www.antiwar.com/deliso/?articleid=8137

[bobthedrummer]

111. k