Barack Obama: Hillary Clinton 'is just like Bush'

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Source: Telegraph.Co.UK

Barack Obama unleashed a blistering attack on his Democrat rival Hillary Clinton yesterday, branding her "just like George W Bush".

The cutting comparison came as he launched a last-ditch push to win over Democrats in Iowa, who vote on Thursday in their caucuses, the first stage of the presidential nomination process.

Now, his lofty rhetoric about hope and change is laced with sharp, sarcastic jabs at Mrs Clinton and her husband Bill, who have sought to paint him as a naïve lightweight who doesn’t have the stomach for a fight.

At a Des Moines rally that drew in more than 1,000 people despite freezing weather, Mr Obama abandoned his previous timidity and, while not mentioning her by name, aimed barbs straight at the former First Lady. "We can’t afford a politics that’s all about terrorism and ripping people down rather than lifting a country up," he said. "We can’t afford a politics based on fear that leaves politicians to think the only way they can look tough on national security is to vote and act and talk just like George W Bush."





Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/01/wobama101.xml

[aquart]

1. Ah. Now I can say it: Obama is a lying barnyard bun.

[Yael]

28. You have been waiting?

Sorry, it just struck me funny. :D

Happy New Year :hi:

[allisonthegreat]

32. I am not crazy about either one, they are canceling each other out, lol!n/t

[sendero]

34. Same here...

... I don't like Obama but he's exactly right about HRC and her "I'm as tough on terra as a Repuke" message.

[killbotfactory]

2. Except, you know, he didn't even mention Clinton

but don't let that stop you.

[arcos]

3. That's the original title of the newspiece... nt

[killbotfactory]

5. And it's wrong.

When someone says we shouldn't be like Bush, and the first thing that comes to mind is "Clinton", that is a problem with Clinton, not with anything that person said.

[mahina]

40. Word.

[arcos]

62. I'm not arguing whether it's wrong or right...

and to be honest, I really don't care.

My point is you shouldn't attack the OP because of the title.

[killbotfactory]

70. I was refering to people who are using this to bash Obama

in general, not specifically the op, even thought they've been on an obama bash a thon.

[Mika]

7. That means its true?

:eyes:

[arcos]

63. No, that means the OP shouldn't be attacked...

You can go ahead and attack the newspaper if you want to, but I've seen plenty of personal attacks against the OP when s/he didn't write the title.

[depakid]

92. What do you expect-

Honesty?

It's the Telegraph.

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

6. parsing words

[killbotfactory]

14. Bull. Crap.

He said we should try to be like Bush, didn't mention Clinton at all, and that's the first thing you assume, or did you just uncritically accept the articles spin? Either way it's a problem with Clinton, not Obama.

[bitchkitty]

19. No, he didn't mention her by name,

but if you read the text, it's very obvious who he's referring to.

For the record, I don't support either one of them.

[killbotfactory]

21. If the shoe fits... nt

[ohio2007]

38. He mentioned her by "voting record"...lucky for him he never was around to force his own hand

at voting since he came in with the wait and see class of senators ;)

[barb162]

80. He voted "present" a lot as I recall

so it's hard to tell where he stands. I do remember when he okayed Condi Rice for Sec. of State. Yikes

[customerserviceguy]

89. So did

Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, Russ Feingold, Diane Feinstein, Pat Leahy, Barbara Mikulski, Patty Murray, and Ron Wyden, all of them critics of US policy in Iraq to some extent.

Oh, and Hillary voted to confirm Condi Rice, as well.

I hate to make it look like I'm giving Chimpy any kind of credit, but one of the many reasons that it's thinkable for Iowa white people to imagine a black President is that they've seen two African-Americans as Secretary of State, rather than just in the 'minor' Cabinet offices. Senator Obama and the other Democratic Senators listed above (along with other Dems who I did not name) were voting for the principle of racial equality in confirming Rice.

[humbled_opinion]

47. Exactly..

Seems like a Clinton misinformation campaign geared to make it look like Obama is attcking her directly... Please..

Clinton Robots cannot see the truth... She is not electable more then 50 percent of America won't vote for her period and now they are talking about third party candidates ... and if Nader runs forget about it she has no chance to win in the National...

But hey everybody lets not let facts get in the way of us giving away the Presidency again this year... :banghead:

[Toots]

88. Sort of like Nader who never mentioned Gore

Nader said there is hardly any difference between the Parties and everyone here says he said Gore was the same as Bush*. People here don't seem very well educated or able to read very well and particulary unable to comprehend what they are able to read..I see the exact same thing with this thread..

[Captain Hilts]

4. That's bullshit and he knows it. I thought he was better than that. nt

[rodeodance]

8. he seems to be saying anything for a few votes.

[Evergreen Emerald]

9. Can you imagine if Clinton attempted an Attack like that?

The media is giving Obama a leg-up in allowing him an attack with no recourse.

I hope Clinton responds.

[humbled_opinion]

48. Take your Clinton Blinders off please...

As if Hillary and her campaign do not have direct lines in the MSM... Please... Oh thats right Clintons don't have to talk to the Press if they don't want to... thats a great message of open government right there...

[rodeodance]

10. Topic subject This was over the line--NO Dem should compare another Dem with Bush in this race!!

orum Name General Discussion: Politics
Topic subject This was over the line--NO Dem should compare another Dem with Bush in this race!!
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3920146#3920146
3920146, This was over the line--NO Dem should compare another Dem with Bush in this race!!
Posted by rodeodance on Tue Jan-01-08 08:04 AM


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thenewswire /

January 1, 2008 at 08:55 AM
Read More: Barack Obama Attacks Hillary, Barack Obama Clinton Bush, Barack Obama Criticism Hillary, Huffiowa, Obama Attacks Hillary

Barack Obama unleashed a blistering attack on his Democrat rival Hillary Clinton yesterday, branding her "just like George W Bush".

The cutting comparison came as he launched a last-ditch push to win over Democrats in Iowa, who vote on Thursday in their caucuses, the first stage of the presidential nomination process.

Now, his lofty rhetoric about hope and change is laced with sharp, sarcastic jabs at Mrs Clinton and her husband Bill, who have sought to paint him as a naïve lightweight who doesn't have the stomach for a fight.

At a Des Moines rally that drew in more than 1,000 people despite freezing weather, Mr Obama abandoned his previous timidity and, while not mentioning her by name, aimed barbs straight at the former First Lady. "We can't afford a politics that's all about terrorism and ripping people down rather than lifting a country up," he said. "We can't afford a politics based on fear that leaves politicians to think the only way they can look tough on national security is to vote and act and talk just like George W Bush."

Click here to continue reading The Telegraph.

[uppityperson]

11. I read the article, would like to see what he actually said, NOT what MSM reported/paraphrased

He is right in that "We can’t afford a politics based on fear that leaves politicians to think the only way they can look tough on national security is to vote and act and talk just like George W Bush."

[City Lights]

36. Totally agree. eom

[humbled_opinion]

49. Exactly thats what got us in this mess in the first place...

If Hillary is about change she sure better start explaining what she is gonna change.. The only change candidate IMHO is Barrack Obama.

[sandnsea]

12. If people think that's about Hillary Clinton

then I'd say that's a problem for Hillary because it could just as well be about any one of the Republicans.

Funny Obama can't say what every DUer has been saying for 6 years.

[Evergreen Emerald]

13. Rudy said the same thing: only he included Obama too.

[merwin]

22. "every DUer"? Where have you been hanging out?

[sandnsea]

27. Did you miss the Pink Tutus?

Where've you been?

[papau]

66. Bartcop and Malloy did not include Clinton in the "pink tutu democrats" - see photo below

[karynnj]

75. No he didn't - because he seemed to worship Bill Clinton

Here he attacks Leahy and Kerry, both of whom did a far better job fighting Bush, than HRC did even in her dreams! She was a key player in attacking Kerry/Feingold.

[comradebillyboy]

31. sorry, I must have been absent from DU for the last

6 years. Or am I not a DUer because I don't parrot your line?

[sandnsea]

33. You missed the Pink Tutus too?

Or you just have a selective memory?

[mahina]

42. Isn't that the truth.

As if this whole site isn't pretty much saying the same.

[krabigirl]

15. LOL. How is a pro-choice female exactly like Bush????

[humbled_opinion]

50. Broaden your scope ...

We are not talking about social issues we are talking about Foreign and Domestic policy issues. This election has nothing at all to do with social issues as far as I can tell...

[global1]

16. HRC Supporters Are Touchy, Touchy......

he didn't mention HRC - what do you have a guilty conscious?

[antiimperialist]

18. How naive. Do you think he was talking about John Edwards?

It couldn't have been about the most populist, progressive candidate there is-John Edwards.
Who do you think he was referring to?

[Zynx]

46. Say something bad about Obama and the Obama supporters cut your

head off Robespierre style.

[humbled_opinion]

51. Thats because Clintons Don't have to be in the White House...

To get Blowed they can just come over to DU... :smoke:

[LostinVA]

72. Nice RW touch there -- mentioning Monica Lewinsky

Spare me.

[antiimperialist]

17. Obama is exaggerating

Hillary might have talked and acted like Bush once or twice, but 99% of the time she doesn't.

[humbled_opinion]

52. She is a Bush Clone

Bush's mini me... Look even Bill said Hillary will send him and Papa Bush on a round the world tour to fix the image of the U.S. ... How does that work? :crazy:

[LostinVA]

73. OMFG

[JoFerret]

86. Nonsense

.

[Mend]

20. My family and I are not voting for him...you figure out who we mean. eom

[merwin]

23. Haha, love the comment

:)

[humbled_opinion]

54. Duh you said him... unless of course ...

Hillary has had her sex change operation already...:silly:

[ckramer]

24. I agree with Obama ---> Hillary is divisive and unelectable in General Election

She voted for the war, and never admit that's a mistake == meaning the vote was correct.

she's a hawk, she's a pro-war closet republican.

There will be no foreign policy change if Hillary was president. She will definitely continue Bush's current aggressive policy.

So Obama is right - she is "just like George W Bush."

If democrats want to change the wrong direction of what the country is heading, vote Obama!

[humbled_opinion]

55. Exactly these are very well thought out and factual points...

:beer: :yourock:

[HooptieWagon]

25. I'm not seeing Hillary mentioned...

Obama: "We can’t afford a politics that’s all about terrorism and ripping people down rather than lifting a country up," he said. "We can’t afford a politics based on fear that leaves politicians to think the only way they can look tough on national security is to vote and act and talk just like George W Bush."

Where has he named Hillary? If mentioning Bush invokes visions of Hillary, then the Hbots should be angry at how Hillary has branded herself and how Rovian-like Penn has conducted her campaign... not at Obama, who never even mentioned her.

[harun]

84. A little sensationalism going on in the headline, people

need to read the article.

[ZinZen]

26. The article also

mentions Bill Clinton's recent comment about the importance of voting for HRC because if not, we will get another 911. I think Obama was responding to that as he should have. What is he supposed to do.. rollover?

[Bitwit1234]

29. At least she is not trying to get her head up his butt like Obama is

so the republicans will vote for him and not against him...he wants to be another Liberman....after all..Liberman was his mentor. Remember and that's the truth.

[indimuse]

30. I do..

He's a huge Lieberman supporter and a playa!

[JDPriestly]

35. Compare to Edwards who stays on topic and does not get

distracted or tempted to pick away at other candidates.

Boone, Iowa – Today at a community meeting in Boone, Iowa, Senator John Edwards said that Democrats, Republicans and Independents must work together to fight the corporate greed that is destroying the middle class. Edwards' remarks calling on politicians to work across party lines to fix the broken system in Washington come on day four of his "America Rising: Fighting for the Middle Class" bus tour across Iowa. During the final days leading up to the caucuses, Edwards is visiting 38 counties and meeting with thousands of caucus goers to share with them his plans to stand up to powerful interests and make sure hard-working middle class families can get ahead.

"To get real change, we need a president who will stand up against the big corporations and powerful interests who control Washington," Edwards said today at his "Countdown to Caucus" event in Boone. "We need somebody who is going to fight this fight and win this fight. But I'm not talking about going to Washington as president and fighting politicians.

"I want to be absolutely clear that the corporate greed that is destroying the middle class of this country and stealing your children's future, it is stealing the future of Democrats' children, Independents' children, Republicans' children, " Edwards continued. "I'm telling you, this is a message and a cause we can unite America around."

Edwards comes from a working class family and has spent his life standing up to powerful interests and fighting for regular Americans like the ones he grew up with. As president, he will continue to stand up to these interests and bring change to America. He believes every time we fight for jobs, families, the middle class, universal health care, and an end to poverty, America rises.

http://www.johnedwards.com/news/press-releases/20071230-ending-corporate-greed/

Edwards differentiates his message from the messages of other candidates without naming names or saying personally derogatory things about the other candidates. Edwards knows how to lift up and empower the voters with whom he speaks. Edwards' language places the choices and the responsibility for making the choices on the voters with whom he is speaking. His message is essentially positive and uplifting. I believe that Edwards' positive approach is what Americans want and need.

[ohio2007]

37. Obama just kissed goodbye the VP nomination.

She won't put up with his bashing.

[mahina]

41. No shame, I did the same thing last night-

Just last night I had to delete a post I made in response to something I hadn't read carefully. Thought somebody was picking on Elizabeth Edwards and jumped in to her defense. Had nothing to do with her. I apologized, read too fast, filled in the blanks with what I thought they said. I suggest you read this one again and remind me what Senator Obama said about Hillary here? OK!

[humbled_opinion]

56. Oh so thats it ...

Now he's bashing her... What exactly about Hillary do you blindly led like so much? Is it that she puts up with Bill Bashing her all over the place?

[ohio2007]

78. it's obvious

Hillary is going to be the nomination.

I'd wager on it but I know you wouldn't take that bet ;) lol

[alteredstate]

39. I think you posted this in the wrong forum

and at the wrong website. Why don't you post this shit for the Freepers, where it belongs?

Senator Obama didn't attack Hillary Clinton.

[David__77]

43. I agree with Obama, which is why I support him.

He speaks the truth: there are some who are indeed acting and talking like Bush, and have accepted his whole ideological framework of centrality of so-called "war on terror." This is a political position that deserves criticism.

[flordehinojos]

44. projection, projection, projection ...desperate projection of obama's own self unto clinton does not

speak well for obama.

[last1standing]

45. That's a little dirty for me. Doesn't mention the name himself...has his CM do it for him.

When asked by The Daily Telegraph about the increasing sharpness of Mr Obama’s words, David Axelrod, his chief strategist, said: "I don’t think they were sharp. I think they were well chosen."

He added that Mrs Clinton was "100 per cent known" but "70 cent or more of voters in this state have consistently chosen other alternatives so there’s obviously a market for something different out there.

Combine this with his attack on Gore/Kerry and I'm beginning to have real problems with Obama.

Now for all the flamers who want to come in and attack me for stating my opinion: You can hurl insults but it'll only bolster the idea that Obama is ok with hatemongering. Is that really what you want people to think your candidate is about?

[BrightKnight]

53. LOL - ...and a Prius is just like a Hummer. - n/t

[Gloria]

57. And he is like HIllary..."Hillary-lite" except I'm revising it to being like Hillary..

This guy is making me want to throw up...He really sent me over the cliff with the "trial lawyer" crap.....

I'm not a Hillary fan, but he is sabotaging every Democrat in sight...he is so full of himself...let him go run with Hagel....Meanwhile, he votes to fund Iraq.....

[shenmue]

58. Yeah, because Bush is big on national health care.

:eyes:

All he can do is attack. This is getting tiring.

[superconnected]

59. True, but Obama is just like hillary.

[Lerkfish]

60. although I see his point, I don't see how that helps him at this point

I agree, in terms of the war on terror, and corporate oligarchy, she is just like bush.
But this is a dumb thing to say at this point before Iowa.

[Jim Sagle]

61. I'm not a fan of either. But Obama is a LOT more like w than Clinton is.

[davidinalameda]

64. I really want to like Obama

but comments like this just make it impossible for me to do so

he's the Howard Dean of 2008-his campaign will self-destruct soon enough

[annie1]

65. that is the 2nd time he did that. When Hillary did it to him in btwn the 2...

times he did it to her, i wrote to her campaign and said I had had enough of her bullshit. How can people stand by this crap. f. him.

[Rockerdem]

67. I'm a little sad that he didn't say what the headline says he did

He didn't mention Hillary and I wish that he had been more specific, and talked about specific war votes. But since the British writer claims to have gotten into Obama's brain, it must be true.

This is the second article today that put words in my man's mouth. Getting tired of it and the rest of the falsehoods. Swiftboating, actually.

[Tarc]

68. you're as bad as he is

Anyone with a shred of intelligence can see that Clinton is exactly the person Obama was referring to.

[Rockerdem]

69. You made the logical leap correctly, too.

You attached his generality to her foreign policy history . Congratulations. Now we can debate.

[Justyce]

71. They won't stop until they've completely destroyed each other.

:banghead:

[BenDavid]

74. Voting for Obama will be like having another Jimmy Carter.

Good integrity, honorable man but lack of experience threw the government of this country into chaos while he learned the job. Hillary knows Washington inside and out and has already fought the battles and won." nancy

[karynnj]

76. In retrospect, we would have been better off following up on

Carter's conservation of oil initiatives. The effective mileage when you include SUVs as cars went down when the Clintons were in office.

Clinton won two terms, but what did he do for the Democrats? - He left the party in a shambles and labeled by his behavior - both personal and via his corrupt campaign financing. Unfortunately, the price was paid by Gore.

[JoFerret]

85. Now THAT I would like

However - don't think Obama is quite up to Carter yet.
He would make a great VP for Edwards though. Maybe as good as Gore.

[BigDDem]

77. BO is not dealing with reality

this guy is clearly not ready for prime time.

[ohio2007]

79. well, having no record to stand on is his strongest stand nt.

[KennedyGuy]

81. K&R for all those currently appalled that Clinton compared Obama to Bush

[boricua79]

82. he didn't mention Clinton (for the record), AND...he's totally right

we cannot afford politicians who vote and run campaigns like Bush.

If the show fits, that's another story.

[ohio2007]

87. Diplomacy isn't a black and white language

otherwise, people could say he was talking about Kucinich

[JoFerret]

83. Ner. Ner. Ner

Gimme Edwards

[hayu_lol]

90. OK, lets just stop and back up a little...

First, I doubt that Obama would do this, at the least not right now. I am a Hillary supporter and I still doubt that Obama would go to this level.

I would suggest that the phrasing came directly from the Repugnant Hate Machine, now in high gear, or it came from someone connected with the Obama campaign.

He can infer all he wants. Hillary, and for that matter, Edwards as well, can respond in kind. These three are all bright people, attorneys in fact, so they know how to play with words that can be misconstrued.

We should not get so excited at what appears to be a slam unless it names names and indicates pointed fingers. Otherwise we are playing the repugnant game just as we've done it before.

You like Obama--thats great.
You like Edwards--thats great.
You like Hillary--thats great.

Lets not eat our own. Plenty of well-aged meat on the other team to destroy.

[Gloria]

91. And he's Hillary-not-so-lite if you look at his money trail......

What a phony he is...and I'm no Hillary fan.

[bemildred]

93. Kewl! "Just like bush" is a political insult.

What is the worst thing you can say about a politician? "S/He is just like Bush!"

[ckramer]

94. Obama is right

Hillary supported the senseless war that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

And she still think it's right.

Today, Iraq is worse off than the Saddam era.

She is just another Bush.

She is just another John McCain.

She's heartless.

[Generator]

95. Wow, Obama sounds like a Du'er

:party:

[OKthatsIT]

96. OBAMA IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

"We can’t afford a politics that’s all about terrorism and ripping people down rather than lifting a country up," he said ."We can’t afford a politics based on fear that leaves politicians to think the only way they can look tough on national security is to vote and act and talk just like George W Bush."

<b>The WAR ON TERROR IS A COMPLETE FRAUD!</b> LOOK what it's done to US! And it's gonna keep taking and taking till there's nothing left but government sponsored work camps.

Hillary has a bad voting record, she's pro-war and pro-surveillance. She was hand-picked by the Bilderbergs and backed by Ruppert Mudoch. She's PRO-WTO and NAFTA and that means she's NOT Pro-Labor.

Without defense lobbying campaign contributors, Congress will rely on 'security' contractors, AKA surveillance hardward, software and storage. The police state will thrive. It's disgusting. We're paying for our own enslavement! We got to stop this fast train, NOW! I didn't agree to hand a world like this over to my children!

[MilesColtrane]

97. That's absolutely outrageous!

Come on Senator Obama.

Hillary doesn't have a Y chromosome and you know it.

[Kablooie]

98. Oh I'm tired of this.

Let's just amend the Constitution to allow four more years of Bush.

[saigon68]

99. LOL K & R

[redqueen]

100. So why'd you kick it back to the top then?

[JackRiddler]

101. This is obviously NOT what he said & a misleading headline by Telegraph!

As quoted, he did not say Clinton (whom he did not mention by name) is like Bush, but clearly implied that someone (possibly Clinton - possibly the Republicans!) wants to handle issues of war, terror and security just like Bush - which in Clinton's case is largely accurate. Deal.