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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:21 PM
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Thompson: Iraq had WMDs before U.S. invaded
Source: DesMoines Register


Newton, Ia. — Former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson said today he was certain former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction prior to the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, a point of contention in the 4 1/2 years since the war began.

“We can’t forget the fact that although at a particular point in time we never found any WMD down there, he clearly had had WMD. He clearly had had the beginnings of a nuclear program,” the former Tennessee senator told an audience of about 60 at a Newton cafe.

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Thompson later said he was referring Saddam’s attack on Kurdish northern Iraq with banned weapons in the 1980s.

Read more: http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071001/NEWS/71001030/1001/hawkeye_insider



One thing is for certain, 'Honest Fred' Thompson is the Democrats dream Republican candidate.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:24 PM
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1. Shouldn't he be harping on Iran?
Didn't he get the memo?

Isn't it simply a faux pas to mention those unfortunate WMD thingies?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:24 PM
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2. dunno bout that
WMD's are a tough thing to find

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5ab_1190902648
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:39 PM
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3. non left, period and here is why I believe that...
It's pretty well been ascertained that although Hussein wished mightily to produce WMD, he was never able to do so beyond small amounts of viral agents which his labs grew from the specimens WE sent him in the late 80's(their is a copy of the authorization and shipping doc out on the web signed by Rumsfeld). So the WMD weapons that could be still in existence would be a small handful that were not used on the Iranians(they're intended targets, as specified by the US) and the revolting Kurds.

IF those few ncanisters survived the first year of occupation, and someone(s) in the Iraqi Army had to know where they were(you don't rub lamps and wish that crap hidden, not even Hussein bought into that) AND given that the vast majority of the Sunni insurgency is former Iraqi Army, someone in the insurgency would know where those weapons are.

Now is it at all reasonable to assume that those rebels would decide not to use a proven weapon? No, I don't think so either. They would use them, or sell them to someone who would use them and get big bucks for more conventional weapons in the process.

So lets just give up on proving ourselves to be stubborn idiotic dolts by continuing to try and spin the WMD question...it is over, it was a lie, it was a known lie when it was said, period!
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:54 PM
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4. Iran and Iraq dabbled in chemical warfare. You only have to talk to those who survived
those attacks on each other during the eight year war.Iran marched hundreds of thousands of volunteers to their deaths armed with nothing but headbands and korans. Pretty sick but thats not the issue

Look at what Tim McVeigh did with his chemical weapon in Oklahoma. You can say WMD are easy to produce with mass amouns of chlorine or fertilizer,yes?

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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:24 PM
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13. Yes, Iraq used gas against Kurds in north, possibly against Iranians.
Don't recall hearing that Iranians had or used gas. But after Gulf War I, inspections and sanctions were used to rid Iraq of chemical weapons. During much of Clinton years, Saddam insisted he had ended his weapons program, but the West refused to end sanctions. Neocons came into Washington in 2000 already drooling to invade Iraq (see PNAC statement around 1998, Clark's book, O'Niel's book, etc. etc.). After 911 Rumsfeld wanted to go into Iraq. Someone said, "but the plotters are in Afg." Rummy said "better target's in Iraq". Finally, 2002, BushCo ramped up the war fever (after secretly trasferring 100 millions from Afg war to Iraq planning/preparation). Blix and the rest of the world kept saying "the inspections are working, Saddam is complying, even if he's hiding something, we will find it." BushCo kept insisting AGAINST ALL EVIDENCE that Saddam had chemical weapons and was in the process of making nuclear weapons. A famous, and telling, quote was "If Saddam doesn't have WMD, why doesn't he show us the WMD he doesn't have?" Another telling event was when BushCo issued the 'ultimatum' that Saddam must turn over complete documentation of his weapons program through the decades. When Saddam actually DID turn over some 17,000 (as I recall) pages, the US promptly CONFISCATED those records before anyone else could see them, then, after a remakably short time (I think about 10 hours) claimed to have thoroughly studied them, and said they were insufficient and inaccurate. Also, the telling penultimate act was when BushCo actually FORCED the inspectors to leave Iraq, then said Saddam had kicked out the inspectors, and then began bombing.

After going to war on what every reasoning person on the planet knew were false pretenses, surprise surprise, no weapons are found. Then, after 5 years of having COMPLETE power to search, interrogate, torture, bribe, STILL no weapons or shred of evidence. Of course, it is possible that BushCo found some kind of evidence but just kept it secret so that the entire PLANET would see them as duplicitous lying assholes, but it sort of defies logic why they would do that, or at least my limited form of logic.

It basically comes down to Occam's razor: if A is a straight-forward theory which actually predicts observed reality, and B is an elaborate, contrived theory which disagrees with observed reality, then it's likely that A is true and B is false.


To sum up, most reasonable people (including me, for example) have concluded that it is well over 99.9999% likely that Saddam had ended his WMD program, that BushCo had every reason to suspect that Saddam had ended his program and that BushCo went OUT OF THEIR WAY to trump up the story that there might still be WMD's and used this story as an EXCUSE to invade; and It is well under 0.0001% likely, or 1 chance in 1,000,000, that Saddam actually HAD WMD's (despite all evidence) and that, sumultaneously, not only Blix and the UN failed to find them all those years, but even after invading and having COMPLETE ACCESS AND CONTROL PLUS TERRIFYING LEVERAGE TO USE FOR INTERROGATION, said BushCo either failed to find the existing weapons or, perhaps, did find such weapons but, for reasons unknown to any mere mortal, decided to keep that find secret, despite massive damage to what little might be left of their credibility.

Of course, if one prefers to ignore observable reality and/or prefers to avoid logic and reason, then in fact ANY theory can be considered as valid as any other, and one can create a fun fantasy world where anything you want to be true is true. Funny thing, though, when you do that: reality keeps popping up and biting you in the ass!
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 02:14 PM
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20. In 1995, Saddam Hussein's son-in-law defected to Jordan. While there,
he was thoroughly debriefed by agents of the CIA, DIA and (I believe) MI-6. The son-in-law said that he had been in charge of Iraq's WMD programs before the first Gulf War and that he had personally overseen the destruction of all remaining stockpiles after the conclusion of the first Gulf War.

This is thoroughly documented in various places, among them Seymour Hersh's "Chain of Command" and was reported on in the run-up to the second Gulf War by, among others, "Newsweek."

It was a lie that Iraq had WMD or even was pursuing WMD (uranium yellowcake and aluminum tubes) in the 5 years before 2003. They knew it was a lie when they told it. Thompson is a liar, just like the rest of the fascist cohort that surround Bush, and like many of the fascist-enablers in the Democratic party, the corporate media and the military.

30 million of us marched worldwide on February 15, 2003. What did we 30 million know that they didn't know?
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:54 PM
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5. The other side of the argument is if someone tells you he did have them,
Saddam never would have used them, because he is dead, and he never used them; therefore, he was never a threat. Never worth losing 1 American life. Or 1 dollar.

Let's get our money back from these criminals even if it takes fifty years like it did with the Nazi's.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:57 PM
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6. Well, yes, *long* before the invasion
Aided and abetted by the West.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:49 PM
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19. We know Saddam had WMD, because we kept the receipts (with
apologies to Jay Leno) :)
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:25 PM
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7. What an idiot..
... tell the stupid Americans what they want to hear.
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:33 PM
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8. Oh, lord.......
In the first Gulf War, the remaining stockpiles were blown up....with American service people downwind, by the way...and nothing else was ever produced.

Moreover, in addition to the fact that the US and Britain sold the materiele to Saddam, the stuff that was being produced had a shelf life, and the stuff is completely beyond that shelf life.

It's a crock. Nuclear weapons were never in the offing, Saddam didn't have the resources.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:41 PM
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9. Yeah, you can ask Iran about that
After Japan, the Iranians have the greatest amount of people still suffering from the effects of biological and chemical weapons.

You can thank Reagan for that.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:55 PM
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10. Iraq.....
....had WMD before we invaded says freddie 'feel-good' thompson....has any WMD ever been found?....or even planted and found?....how does freddie know this for 'certain'?

....unless, I bet saddam had them packed up freddy's big fat ass....the inspectors were scouring Iraq when they should have been looking in Tennessee....
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:58 PM
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11. It is not a "point of contention" just because you say so... the FACT is that no WMDs were found
that is the facts. The rest of it is just so much blather.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:24 PM
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12. The more this guy opens his mouth, the crazier he sounds.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:27 PM
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14. Thompson is DOA.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:34 PM
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15. Freddie says they had WMDs before they didn't?
Yes Freddie, Saddam did have the dual use equipment that Rumsfeld sold to him. He did use up the stuff that the GOP provided to him. Thank you for the rambling wakl down memory lane...
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:25 PM
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16. Continued Thompson, "But then they shoved them into their pockets, deep, deep
where we couldn't find them. So sneaky!"
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:53 PM
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17. Yes, indeed, Saddam had them back in the 1980s ...
after Rummy gave them to him.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:45 PM
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18. Coming up next: "Thompson: The moon is made of green cheese"
"Thompson: There really is an Easter Bunny"

"Thompson: Pro wrestling is real"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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