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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:29 AM
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Iran labels CIA 'terrorist organization'
Source: Associated Press

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"Iran's parliament on Saturday approved a nonbinding resolution labeling the CIA and the U.S. Army "terrorist organizations," in apparent response to a Senate resolution seeking to give a similar designation to Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

The hard-line dominated parliament cited U.S. involvement in dropping nuclear bombs in Japan in World War II, using depleted uranium munitions in the Balkans, Afghanistan and Iraq, supporting the killings of Palestinians by Israel, bombing and killing Iraqi civilians, and torturing terror suspects in prisons.

"The aggressor U.S. Army and the Central Intelligence Agency are terrorists and also nurture terror," said a statement by the 215 lawmakers who signed the resolution at an open session of the Iranian parliament. The session was broadcast live on state-run radio.

The resolution, which is seen as a diplomatic offensive against the U.S., urges Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's government to treat the two as terrorist organizations. It also paves the way for the resolution to become legislation that — if ratified by the country's hardline constitutional watchdog — would become law. The government is expected to wait for U.S. reaction before making its decision."






Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070929/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_us
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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:32 AM
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1. They should have included the Congress and Executive branches of gov't with that
classification also.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:47 PM
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14. You bet. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:36 AM
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2. both sides should go sit in the corner!
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:50 AM
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3. Goose/Gander n/t
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:59 AM
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4. Well you can't argue with he facts they laid out
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 03:50 PM
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17. This article is quite austere with facts.
Let me rephrase: What "facts they laid out"? Questions to Bollinger?
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:17 PM
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5. They got that right.
:thumbsup:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:58 PM
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6. And which of us hasn't thought that very same thing?
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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:40 PM
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7. It's a fact that the CIA sponsored guerilla training camps for ....l
the Majahadeen in Afghanistan back in the eighties when they were at war with the soviets. These guerilla camps incorporated Islamic teachings as well.
Same thing with the Chechnya war. Again, Islamic rebels were trained by the CIA in camps for war against the Soviets.
All thru the years countless Latin American dictators were toppled or propped up depending on the whims of the U.S. Government.
That included deposing the PM of Iran back in the fifties with the help of the British, because the PM decided to nationalize the oil industry there.
The international heroin trade was and probably still is run in large part by the CIA operations.
Let's not forget about those secret prisons and torture rooms they're got located all over the world.
And what about their good pal Pakistan. They have definitely sponsored terrorists, yet the ISI is supported strongly by the CIA and they go back a long way with their covert operations.
I agree, it goes both ways
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:45 PM
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8. ROFL now thats funny
A childish response to a childish resolution. One that arguably is every bit as legitimate as the first one.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:55 PM
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9. pot/kettle (I know you are, what am I, neener neener neener)
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:08 PM
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10. Well, they are mostly right.
I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that the CIA isn't a terrorist organization. And our military has been used to prop up more dictatorships, and undermine more elected governments than possibly any other military on earth.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:14 PM
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11. ...and the white house, office of VP
better include them in there too!
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:24 PM
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12. LOL! Well, it's "non binding" so I guess it's all good. n/t
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:29 PM
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13. And that's correct
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 03:42 PM
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15. Couldn't agree more. The CIA has overthrown more governments &
assassinated more leaders than the Iranians ever dreamed of.
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Jonathan Pollard Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 03:48 PM
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16. Including the Iranian government in 1953 n/t
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:58 AM
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20. Unfortunately a Roosevelt, one of FDR's grandsons I believe, was
in charge of that ignominious operation.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:43 PM
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18. It's unfortunate that they haven't lifted a finger against this * crowd of loons
but that would bring up a 'winner' 'loser' classification in The Yankee vs Cowboy Wars at CIA that Carl Oglesby wrote about

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=7291
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:51 PM
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19. They forgot two.
fbi and atf. Two cowardly organizations that get their jollies by killing innocent women & children.
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 01:42 PM
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21. damn straight
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:53 PM
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22. The "hard-line dominated parliament." You gotta laugh at AP sometimes.
And what about OUR "hard-line dominated congress," assholes?

"Hard-line" means what? They don't want to get nuked by Dick Cheney (or Hillary, if the Dick can't pull it off)?

Hard-line = stiff, unbending, aggressive, "either yer with us or agin us," kill first/talk later, doesn't flinch at torture or dead babies, nuke 'em back to the stone age...

Actually, there's quite an argument that could be made that Iran's leaders are anything but hard-line. They have put up with an enormous provocation right on their border, with no retaliatory aggression, and with--as far as I can see--only defensive thinking (they want nukes--who wouldn't, in their situation, with two nuclear powers gunning for them?). They have apparently made a number of peace proposals to the Bush Junta--all ignored. And they are the victims of constant saber-rattling, threats, "axis of evil" slanders, and aggressive actions (U.S. seeking sanctions against them; infiltrations, border bombings).

It seems to me that "hard-line" would have sent the Republican Guard over the border, in full force, long ago. (There have been many U.S. border provocations, which don't get well-reported here.) And the threat to Iran, from the chaos in Iraq, is very great--including the Bush-instigated civil war spilling into Iran, and millions of refugees with enormous food, housing and health problems.

As for Iranian provocations--Iran would be crazy not to have operatives in Iraq, if, for no other reason, to determine WHAT is happening there (wouldn't WE, if, say, China invaded Mexico?). Iran also has a big stake in Iraqi civil order, and in who ends up in power there. Again, any government that IGNORED such a situation--a foreign invasion of a neighbor, and creation of chaos there--would be derelict in its duty to its people NOT to be spying on the chaotic neighbor and the occupation force, and would have a legitimate right to intervene.

I think there is a strong argument that Iran has shown great RESTRAINT in this situation.

The U.S. Congress' Iraq War Resolution was "hard-line"--it led straight to an aggressive war; it gave permission to do so. Calling the CIA dirty dogs is not especially "hard-line," nor is condemning unprovoked war in which hundreds of thousands of Iran's neighbors have been slaughtered. The invasion of Iraq WAS a terrorist act.

I don't know about dragging Hiroshima into it. That's a tough call. The worst thing I've read about it, in terms of motivation, is that atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to "show the Russians" (our feared allies!) that the technology works and that we are now the "lords of the earth." Aside from that, it's difficult to gainsay people who had been at war, on two major fronts--with enormous carnage on both sides--for five years. Total war. The whole society must have been suffering "shell shock" by then. The temptation to end it quickly must have been enormous. And, relatively speaking, the non-nuke bombings of Berlin, Dresden and other cities (including Tokyo) were hardly less horrendous. I think it's difficult to judge people who were caught in such a narrow tunnel--the psychological tunnel of war. So much death already. So much burden on the human psyche. So much fear. Non-stop adrenalin. And someone hands you a way out.

It's hard to understand the SECOND bomb, though. Why Nagasaki? And, if the point was to demonstrate the technology (and the power), why not blow away an uninhabited island?

The miracle is that they haven't been used since (possibly partly because the radiation impacts have become better understood--and, if you've read Carl Sagan's "The Cold and the Dark," even a limited nuclear exchange would raise a dust cloud that would engulf the earth, and kill the earth).

On second thought, the Iranians did have reason to raise Hiroshima/Nagasaki--because they fear that they are next.
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